ROSH HASHANAH VS. YOM TERUAH

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i disagree...those last chapters of ezekiel are never going to be fulfilled because they were not actually prophetic predictions but conditional instructions instead...these were things that israel was encouraged to do only -if- they fully met the conditions of contrition and repentance...

since they never fully met those conditions but continued to be rebellious...the most they ever got to build was zerubbabel's temple which was later renovated by herod...ezekiel's temple was never built...

and it never will be built because the need for temples and sacrifices has been abolished...the window of opportunity in which israel had the chance to achieve ezekiel's vision has expired...
I get what you're saying, and I guess we would have to agree to disagree based on what your belief of millenial reign is. But I would be interested in how you come to the conclusion that the Ez. temple was a maybe and based on what you say here. what scripture would you use to back this? Also, where in scripture does it say that the need for temples and sacrifices were abolished? Zech. 14 which clearly shows us the second coming, refers to sacrifices being done in verse 21. And what is the house of YHVH that is also in verse 21. The only sacrifice that scripture clearly shows is abolished is the sacrifice for sin unto death which Yeshua took care by His own body on the cross.
 
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it is clear from leviticus 25 that the year of jubilee began in the seventh month...so the idea of a new year beginning in the seventh month is absolutely biblical. It doesn't say that at all, you are misleading, it says exactly this, verse 9 "Then you shall cause the trumpet of the Jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, on the Day of Atonement you shall make the trumpet to sound throughout all you land" It does not refer even remotely that it starts in the 7th month but that this is to occur during this Jubilee year, even adding the shofar to be blown on Yom kippur.

this has nothing to do with babylon as the year of jubilee predated the babylonians' influence on the israelites...

it is really astounding how -little- many of the 'hebrew roots' people and wannabe 'messianics' actually know about the torah and its laws...[/QUOTE what I find interesting and quite sad is instead of you and I having a mature debate about these things sharpening one another, you would prefer to turn to insults. How does that show the love and patience of Messiah. thank you for your time, but I will no longer converse with you if insulting is a part of your way of discussing topics. Shalom
 
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:) @ ROEH. Sweet victory...Shabbat Shalom....
 
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But I would be interested in how you come to the conclusion that the Ez. temple was a maybe and based on what you say here. what scripture would you use to back this?
ezekiel 43:10-11 establishes that this entire construction plan is conditioned on the full contrition and repentance of israel...
 
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it is clear from leviticus 25 that the year of jubilee began in the seventh month...so the idea of a new year beginning in the seventh month is absolutely biblical. It doesn't say that at all, you are misleading, it says exactly this, verse 9 "Then you shall cause the trumpet of the Jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, on the Day of Atonement you shall make the trumpet to sound throughout all you land" It does not refer even remotely that it starts in the 7th month but that this is to occur during this Jubilee year, even adding the shofar to be blown on Yom kippur.

this has nothing to do with babylon as the year of jubilee predated the babylonians' influence on the israelites...

it is really astounding how -little- many of the 'hebrew roots' people and wannabe 'messianics' actually know about the torah and its laws...what I find interesting and quite sad is instead of you and I having a mature debate about these things sharpening one another, you would prefer to turn to insults. How does that show the love and patience of Messiah. thank you for your time, but I will no longer converse with you if insulting is a part of your way of discussing topics. Shalom
you skipped some important verses...

leviticus 25:8-10..."Count off seven sabbaths of years--seven times seven years--so that the seven sabbaths of years amount to a period of forty-nine years. Then have the trumpet sounded everywhere on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement sound the trumpet throughout your land. Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you; each one of you is to return to his family property and each to his own clan."

it is clear from the text that the forty-nine years do not end...and therefore the consecrated fiftieth year does not begin...until the trumpets are sounded in the seventh month...so this month was the beginning of a year...

this is straight out of the torah...you of all people should know about this...but you have let yourself be misled...and expressing exasperated amazement at this fact is not an insult...
 
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here are a few scriptures to ponder:

time setting - Zechariah 14, when all families come and keep The Feast of Tabernacles.
Zec.14:21.
Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be Holiness to the Lord of Hosts.
Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them.....

time setting - in the days when Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will dwell safely.
Jer.33:17-18.
For thus says The Lord: David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the House of Israel;
nor shall the priests, the Levites, lack a man to offer burnt offerings before Me, to kindle
grain offerings and to sacrifice continually.

time setting, - when My house shall be called a House of Prayer for all nations.
Isa.56:6-7.
Also the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to The Lord, to serve Him,
and to love the Name of The Lord, to be His servants - everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
and holds fast My Covenant - even them will I bring to My Holy Mountain, and make them joyful
in My House of Prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on My altar.

time setting....
Isaiah 19:21.
Then The Lord will be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians will know The Lord in that day,
and will make sacrifice and offering; yes, they will make a vow to The Lord and perform it.
 
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here are a few scriptures to ponder:

time setting - Zechariah 14, when all families come and keep The Feast of Tabernacles.
Zec.14:21.
Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be Holiness to the Lord of Hosts.
Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them.....

time setting - in the days when Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will dwell safely.
Jer.33:17-18.
For thus says The Lord: David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the House of Israel;
nor shall the priests, the Levites, lack a man to offer burnt offerings before Me, to kindle
grain offerings and to sacrifice continually.

time setting, - when My house shall be called a House of Prayer for all nations.
Isa.56:6-7.
Also the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to The Lord, to serve Him,
and to love the Name of The Lord, to be His servants - everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
and holds fast My Covenant - even them will I bring to My Holy Mountain, and make them joyful
in My House of Prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on My altar.

time setting....
Isaiah 19:21.
Then The Lord will be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians will know The Lord in that day,
and will make sacrifice and offering; yes, they will make a vow to The Lord and perform it.

HALLELUYAH AMEN, HALLELUYAH AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Brother Roeh,

we so appreciate that you understood the meaning behind the
scriptures we quoted,

GB
 

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Hope you all enjoy the Feast of Trumpets (Yom Teruah) tonight/tomorrow.

Happy Sabbath everyone.
 
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KohenMatt,

looks like there's going to be a lot going on
on that day that we observe.

we hope that our Father surprizes you and yours
in a moment - in the twinkling of an eye!:)

Isaiah 27:13.
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown,
and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria,
and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD
in the holy mount at Jerusalem.
 

KohenMatt

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Numbers 29:1-6
“‘On the first day of the seventh month hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. It is a day for you to sound the trumpets.
2 As an aroma pleasing to the Lord, offer a burnt offering of one young bull, one ram and seven male lambs a year old, all without defect.3 With the bull offer a grain offering of three-tenths of an ephah of the finest flour mixed with olive oil; with the ram, two-tenth;4 and with each of the seven lambs, one-tenth.5 Include one male goat as a sin offering to make atonement for you.6 These are in addition to the monthly and daily burnt offerings with their grain offerings and drink offerings as specified. They are food offerings presented to the Lord, a pleasing aroma.

Leviticus 23:23-25
"The Lord said to Moses, 24 “Say to the Israelites: ‘On the first day of the seventh month you are to have a day of sabbath rest, a sacred assembly commemorated with trumpet blasts. 25 Do no regular work, but present a food offering to the Lord.’”
 
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CHAG SAMEACH YOM TERUAH MISHPOCHAH!!!
(Happy holiday Feasts of Trumpets, family)
 
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This is simply plagerized by me, a gentile, in my study of the Lords Feasts.
Rosh HaShanah is observed for two days. It comes on the first and second days of the Hebrew month of Tishrei (usually in September or October), which is the first month of the biblical civil calendar. The month of Tishrei is the seventh month in the biblical religious calendar. This may seem strange that Rosh HaShanah, the New Year, is on the first and second day of Tishrei, the seventh month on the biblical religious calendar. The reason that Rosh HaShanah is the seventh month in the biblical religious calendar is that G-d made the month of Nisan the first month of the year in remembrance of Israel's divine liberation from Egypt (Exodus [Shemot] 12:2; 13:4). However, according to tradition, the world was created on Tishrei, or more exactly, Adam and Eve were created on the first day of Tishrei and it is from Tishrei that the annual cycle began. Hence, Rosh HaShanah is celebrated at this time.

And I guess the reason the ancients felt like this was the new year was because this was the year the earth was made by God. So happy Birthday World. The book of Genesis is called in Hebrew is "Bereishit". If you reverse the spelling and move a couple of letters around you get Tishrei. Which is another reason it's called the new year because Genesis is the beginning, as In The Begining. Enjoy!!
 
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This is simply plagerized by me, a gentile, in my study of the Lords Feasts.
Rosh HaShanah is observed for two days. It comes on the first and second days of the Hebrew month of Tishrei (usually in September or October), which is the first month of the biblical civil calendar. The month of Tishrei is the seventh month in the biblical religious calendar. This may seem strange that Rosh HaShanah, the New Year, is on the first and second day of Tishrei, the seventh month on the biblical religious calendar. The reason that Rosh HaShanah is the seventh month in the biblical religious calendar is that G-d made the month of Nisan the first month of the year in remembrance of Israel's divine liberation from Egypt (Exodus [Shemot] 12:2; 13:4). However, according to tradition, the world was created on Tishrei, or more exactly, Adam and Eve were created on the first day of Tishrei and it is from Tishrei that the annual cycle began. Hence, Rosh HaShanah is celebrated at this time.

And I guess the reason the ancients felt like this was the new year was because this was the year the earth was made by God. So happy Birthday World. The book of Genesis is called in Hebrew is "Bereishit". If you reverse the spelling and move a couple of letters around you get Tishrei. Which is another reason it's called the new year because Genesis is the beginning, as In The Begining. Enjoy!!
I'm sorry, but this all completely false. There is not a single verse in scripture that talks about a "civil new year" nor is the biblical new year called nisan, it is called in scripture Aviv, nor is the seventh month called tishrei, it is called the 7th month, these names you've used come from the calendar that my people adopted from the babylonian calendar when they adopted this new year that also came from the bablylonian new year practice. Nor does the bible teach in any way that creation started on or in the 7th month. And the 2 day practice of this day has nothing to do with YAH's real feast of Yom Teruah that is the first day of the 7th month.
I'm sorry, but really? take bereshit, turn it around, change the letters around, which also remove a couple and you get tishrei?

tishrei=תשרי

bereshit=בראשית

You would have to remove the beit, alef, and then completely re-arrange the letters. Sorry, but this doesn't fly. Yom Teruah is YAH's feast that starts the 7th month, rosh hashanah is just plain garbage and has nothing to do with YAH's Holy feasts. It is stuff like this that leads people down the wrong path of following what YAH actually gave us to keep. We really need to follow what YAH's word says and quit following the traditions and claimed commands of men. This is what keeps getting us all in trouble. shalom
 

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I understand the other new year is a new year for trees signified by the blooming of the almond tree. Tommorrow (tonight) is also the day of return, if not the LORD's return, hopefully Israel's return to the LORD.
 

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I understand the other new year is a new year for trees signified by the blooming of the almond tree. Tommorrow (tonight) is also the day of return, if not the LORD's return, hopefully Israel's return to the LORD.
Correction, I am still learning, this coming Sabbath is the "Sabbath of Return."
 
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Hey ROEH there was nothing meant by my post at all. I'm not saying it's true or false. All the sources in my study are Jewish and there is nothing absolute about the post. Just simply the traditions of some and the reasons why the traditions are celebrated that's all. Obviously there is rift in the Jewish community that I personally didn't know of. To me honestly it doesn't matter, it's a non issue because your right God did not specifically say to celebrate New Years on a particular day. I just found the study on the Lords Feasts fascinating. I did mention that my post was plagerized and I was a gentile right?
 
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There is not a single verse in scripture that talks about a "civil new year" nor is the biblical new year called nisan, it is called in scripture Aviv, nor is the seventh month called tishrei, it is called the 7th month, these names you've used come from the calendar that my people adopted from the babylonian calendar when they adopted this new year that also came from the bablylonian new year practice.
wrong...

nehemiah 2:1..."In the month of Nisan in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes, when wine was brought for him, I took the wine and gave it to the king. I had not been sad in his presence before,"

esther 3:7..."In the twelfth year of King Xerxes, in the first month, the month of Nisan, the pur (that is, the lot) was cast in the presence of Haman to select a day and month. And the lot fell on the twelfth month, the month of Adar."

so the month name 'nisan' is scriptural...no doubt the name originated from the babylonian calendar...but the fact that scripture itself uses this name shows that it is acceptable...

and although the term 'civil new year' does not appear in scripture...its existence is implied by the fact that the year of jubilee began in the seventh month...and in fact those who have worked with the chronologies of the kings of israel and judah have found that both nisan based and tishri based dating systems are required at various periods in the kingdoms' history in order to make sense of the books of kings and chronicles...