The Lords Passover

[RachelBibleStudent]

Why do the Jews take the Passover, one day after most of the Churches ?

Which is the correct date in which the Passover must be observed?
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Why do the Churches appear to be a day early? While some churches have it every Sunday or some every quarter ?

What scriptural grounds do they stand on?

the reason for the difference is wrapped up in the questions of 'when do you celebrate an anniversary?' and 'how do you define a year?'

the goals of the easter celebration and most christian passover celebrations are the same...to celebrate the anniversary of jesus' last days...his death...and his resurrection...

the point of contention is this...according to what type of calendar do you mark the anniversary? and what do you prioritize in your choosing of the date of the anniversary?

since around the second century AD most christians have prioritized celebrating jesus' resurrection of the day of the week when it happened...and they try to do so on a sunday as close as possible to the original date of the resurrection according to a solar calendar...solar calendars being the most consistent with the seasons... on the other hand some ancient christians and many modern 'hebrew roots' christians have argued that it is better to celebrate it on the proper day of the month in the hebrew calendar...while this is less consistent with the season it would place the celebration on the correct day in the lunar calendar of the israelites...

both traditions have valid logic supporting them and in the end it comes down to a question of convention...a matter of preference...we should not judge people either way as long as they are not trying to force their observance on others...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Only place it is mentioned...

1Co 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

and it says not to.

it doesn't say not to do it...in the context it is just saying that it was not the lord's supper when they were eating at will without any regard for others...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

What did Paul say?

1Co 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

Why don't you post a scripture that says observe the Lord's Supper?

'do this in remembrance of me'?

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Why not explain that to Paul?

1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Written to a Gentile church twenty some years after the crucifixion.

paul makes it clear that the unleavened bread we are supposed to partake in is 'sincerity and truth'... this is not real bread in a real feast...which would be only an optional thing now...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread are two different feasts, occurring back to back.

i agree with most of what you have posted in this thread...but i have to disagree with this...

passover and the feast of unleavened bread are the same feast...they are equated in scripture in ezekiel and in the gospels...

the lord's supper really is neither of these...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Then there is xmas and Ishtar. Neither of which are mentioned as God's Feasts. They were invented by man and there are only oblique references to them...

Jer 10:1 Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Jer 10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

Decorating a tree is called the way of the heathen.

Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
Eze 8:17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.

A sunrise service facing East is called an abomination here and it provokes God to anger.

of course these claims of yours are false and you know it...

anyone who knows anything about the ancient middle east can recognize jeremiah 10:1-5 for what it is...a description of the construction of an idol...especially an asherah idol...this has absolutely no resemblance to a christmas tree other than that they are both made of wood...

and ezekiel 8:16-17 says absolutely nothing about sunrise...you would face east while facing the sun at -any- time between sunrise and noon...not just at sunrise...

what provokes God to anger is when people like you come into the church for the sole purpose of knowingly spreading deception and leading the sheep astray...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

For whoever might argue that because we aren't told in the NT to celebrate the OT Feasts,

I wonder if they hold that same standard to christmas and easter? Those are prescribed in NT either.

i don't go around telling anyone that God requires them to celebrate christmas or easter...and i don't know anyone else who does either...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Are you serious?

Have you read the NT?

Have you read 1Co 11:25--"Do this in remembrance of me."?

This ignorance of the NT is staggering.

What has so blinded you?

if you know the history of past sabbatarian sects...what you are seeing here is merely the latest iteration of a pattern that has played out repeatedly throughout history...

first they start with sabbath keeping...then they branch out into dietary laws and feast keeping...then there is the despising of the sacrament that you are now witnessing...at some point during this process the sabbatarian sects tend to disown all other christians who are not adherent to their sectarian point of view...

finally they openly reject christ himself...every major historical sabbatarian movement has ended in mass conversion to judaism...

this hasn't happened yet with the seventh day adventists or even the 'dark side' of the hebrew roots movement...but these modern versions are thus far only about halfway through the historical lifespan of a typical sabbatarian sect...and from some people here you can see that they are already well on their way... history repeats itself...and time marches on...

 

[Elin]

Are you serious?

Have you read the NT?

Have you read 1Co 11:25--"Do this in remembrance of me."?

This ignorance of the NT is staggering.

What has so blinded you?

if you know the history of past sabbatarian sects...what you are seeing here is merely the latest iteration of a pattern that has played out repeatedly throughout history...

first they start with sabbath keeping...then they branch out into dietary laws and feast keeping...
then there is the despising of the sacrament that you are now witnessing...at some point during this process the sabbatarian sects tend to disown all other christians who are not adherent to their sectarian point of view...

finally they openly reject christ himself...every major historical sabbatarian movement has ended in mass conversion to judaism...

this hasn't happened yet with the seventh day adventists or even the 'dark side' of the hebrew roots movement...but these modern versions are thus far only about halfway through the historical lifespan of a typical sabbatarian sect...and from some people here you can see that they are already well on their way... history repeats itself...and time marches on...

Very informative. . .explains a lot. . .so it's just the same ole Judaizing that Paul had to deal with.

Thanks so much.

 

[ELECT]

If you are not a Rabbinical Jew why does it matter?

What do you mean ? art converted gentiles are to live as jews ?

 

[ELECT]

So you are equating the Lord's Supper with Passover?

There is no NT specification for how often to participate in the Lord's Supper.

What time of the day does the Lords Supper is to be taken ?

 

[tourist]

What time of the day does the Lords Supper is to be taken ?

I think that it is in the pm but I am challenged and don't know how change the time on my electronic time keeper. Mine just says am.

 

[JesusLives]

I think that it is in the pm but I am challenged and don't know how change the time on my electronic time keeper. Mine just says am.

I am gonna copy my pm to you and put it in another thread so people will know what your making fun of me about... so there....take that...lol

 

[tourist]

I am gonna copy my pm to you and put it in another thread so people will know what your making fun of me about... so there....take that...lol

If you do that you will be providing hours of entertainment.

 

[RedTent]

With some of the reasons not to listen to any scripture about Passover given here, I wonder that some people believe anything of scripture.

I read here that when we are asked to remember what Christ did for us with the Lord's Supper it is the same as Passover!!

That there are different rules for gentiles and Jews, we aren't united under Christ.

That if we honored Christ at Passover it would be to impress Christ only and Christ isn't impressed.

That God gave Passover for only Rabbinical Jews.

We express our freedom in Christ by not honoring Christ at Passover.

That when Christ was crucified He took our need to celebrate that away, Christ did it for us.????

That Christ does not have us obey any old law???? I wonder if this person ever read a word Christ said??

Surely we have Christians in our world today who reads scripture????

 

[prove-all]

In the new covenant, the feast is kept by purging sin from our lives,
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I see you agree to keep the feast day of unleavened bread, to purge sin from our lives then.

so do you do this ? are do you keep easter thats not from the bible?

 

[Elin]

The NT does not prescribe observance of the OT feast by purging of yeast.

In the new covenant, we are to purge sin from our lives, not yeast, as in the OT feast.

In the new covenant, the feast is kept by purging sin from our lives,
not by purging yeast from our lives, as in the OT feast.

I see you agree to purge sin from our lives, to keep the feast day of unleavened bread then.

Nope. . .purging sin from my life is not just something I do once a year.
It's a continual thing, a way of life.

so do you do this ? are do you keep easter thats not from the bible?

You lost me there.

What does that have to do with purging sin from my life?

 

[Elin]

i agree with most of what you have posted in this thread...but i have to disagree with this...

passover and the feast of unleavened bread are the same feast...they are equated in scripture in ezekiel and in the gospels...

the lord's supper really is neither of these...

Yes, it was common practice to refer to the eight days, comprising the two back-to-back feasts of Passover and Unleavened Bread, as Passover, or sometimes as Feast of Unleavened Bread.

But in their establishment under the Mosaic law in Leviticus, they are two separate feasts.

The Lord's Supper occurred at the Passover meal.