Warning! Catholic church is a FALSE religion

[MahogonySnail]

How did Peter start the Catholic church? He did NOT start the Catholic church lol! The Pope claims that lie.Why would one of Jesus' apostles condone paganism and sun worship???? They worship Mary dude...

Someone had to start the church, and the church at Rome was one of the churches Paul or Peter founded. I personally believe it was Paul or both Paul and Peter , but Catholics claim it was Peter. I disagree with Catholics on that because I'm pretty sure Peter was based at Antioch, not at Rome. In any case I think it was Paul who had the most influence in it.

They don't worship the sun, not sure where you got that idea from.

Are you 7th day Adventist by the way?

As far as satanism goes, if you rape little boys, that is satanic,

But this isn't a fundamental part of Catholicism itself, so of itself gives no proof that catholicism is satanic, just shows the evil behaviour of some of its members. And abuse happens in all denominations not just Catholic.

if you kneel down to stone statues, that is satanic,

Only if you worship them. Catholics don't worship statues.

if you pray to a dead person, that is satanic,

But those who die in Christ are alive.

If you pray to beads (rosary) that is satanic..

They don't pray to beads. It's a prayer-aid, helps them remember what they are praying about.

. um.... they have images of the sun all around the Vatican (they worship the sun) and I dont know if you have seen this or not, but they also have that phallic type structure in the center of the Vatican, which indeed came from ancient paganism.. So, the Catholic church does have satanic practices! As far as that upside down cross, um that is quite satanic whether they intend for it to be or not. Read on what that upside down cross means.

re: sun,
So if you have a picture of something in your house does that mean you worship it?

re: Phallic structures coming from paganism. well the names of the days of our weeks Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday etc. come from paganism as well. The Sabbath which you observe on a Saturday..now this name comes from the Roman god Saturn. Want to change the names of the days of the week now?


The upside down cross as used by catholics is not a satanic symbol. You can read about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_St._Peter

Originally Posted by dodolah

Just wondering here.. i don't doubt the other points..

but as far as trinity goes, in heaven, will God ask "Didst Thou believe in the Trinity while Thou lives on Earth?"
If that is the case, off from heaven ye!"

Exactly dodolah, but trinitarians claim if you don't bow to their pet doctrine you are on your way to hell, I do not think it works that way.

Originally Posted by MahogonySnail

Someone had to start the church, and the church at Rome was one of the churches Paul or Peter founded. I personally believe it was Paul or both Paul and Peter , but Catholics claim it was Peter. I disagree with Catholics on that because I'm pretty sure Peter was based at Antioch, not at Rome. In any case I think it was Paul who had the most influence in it.

They don't worship the sun, not sure where you got that idea from.

Are you 7th day Adventist by the way?





But this isn't a fundamental part of Catholicism itself, so of itself gives no proof that catholicism is satanic, just shows the evil behaviour of some of its members. And abuse happens in all denominations not just Catholic.




Only if you worship them. Catholics don't worship statues.





But those who die in Christ are alive.






They don't pray to beads. It's a prayer-aid, helps them remember what they are praying about.




re: sun,
So if you have a picture of something in your house does that mean you worship it?

re: Phallic structures coming from paganism. well the names of the days of our weeks Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday etc. come from paganism as well. The Sabbath which you observe on a Saturday..now this name comes from the Roman god Saturn. Want to change the names of the days of the week now?


The upside down cross as used by catholics is not a satanic symbol. You can read about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_St._Peter

Now who is the fraud Mahogony, you said you were not Catholic yet you defend their false practices like the proud catholic you are.

[MahogonySnail]

Now who is the fraud Mahogony, you said you were not Catholic yet you defend their false practices like the proud catholic you are.

Don't be silly. If I was a catholic, I would be sinning by saying I'm not a catholic. And I would have held rigidly to the view that Peter was the first Pope, which I don't believe at all. As I said, I believe Paul was more instrumental in the Roman church than Peter was.

Originally Posted by MahogonySnail

Don't be silly. If I was a catholic, I would be sinning by saying I'm not a catholic. And I would have held rigidly to the view that Peter was the first Pope, which I don't believe at all. As I said, I believe Paul was more instrumental in the Roman church than Peter was.

Paul nor Peter had anything to do with Catholicism.

[MahogonySnail]

Not with the institution it was to become, no, but the church at Rome, certainly Paul did.

We have to remember that this "false religion" is the reason why many of us are christians today.

Without them spreading the Christian faith worldwide, and yes sometimes through violent means when necessary, christianity might not have survived past the first few centuaries. All in God's sovereign plan I'd say.

Even today, many protestant missionary organisations are simply going to places where Catholics have already laid a foundation in Asia, India, and many places like this.

Originally Posted by MahogonySnail

Not with the institution it was to become, no, but the church at Rome, certainly Paul did.

We have to remember that this "false religion" is the reason why many of us are christians today.

Without them spreading the Christian faith worldwide, and yes sometimes through violent means when necessary, christianity might not have survived past the first few centuaries. All in God's sovereign plan I'd say.

Even today, many protestant missionary organisations are simply going to places where Catholics have already laid a foundation in Asia, India, and many places like this.

Do you really think God needed Satan to keep His Church alive?

Originally Posted by MahogonySnail

Not with the institution it was to become, no, but the church at Rome, certainly Paul did.

We have to remember that this "false religion" is the reason why many of us are christians today.

Without them spreading the Christian faith worldwide, and yes sometimes through violent means when necessary, christianity might not have survived past the first few centuaries. All in God's sovereign plan I'd say.

Even today, many protestant missionary organisations are simply going to places where Catholics have already laid a foundation in Asia, India, and many places like this.

And Christian missionaries are forced to try to lead people out of a belief in a false gospel of works into a belief in the sufficiency of Christ. Witnessing to Catholics is harder than witnessing to atheists, b/c Catholics already think they're Christians, and are heavily indoctrinated in what their church teaches. Most anyways here are. The others don't know anything and go to church only on Christmas and Easter, but that's another story.

Originally Posted by Baptistrw

And Christian missionaries are forced to try to lead people out of a belief in a false gospel of works into a belief in the sufficiency of Christ. Witnessing to Catholics is harder than witnessing to atheists, b/c Catholics already think they're Christians, and are heavily indoctrinated in what their church teaches. Most anyways here are. The others don't know anything and go to church only on Christmas and Easter, but that's another story.

Another group hard to witness to are those OSAS believers living in sin. They really think they are on their way to heaven even though they do not serve God. It is much easier to witness to someone who knows they are lost than trying to convince a ''saved sinner'' in their need for repentance.

Originally Posted by onwingsaseagles

Another group hard to witness to are those OSAS believers living in sin. They really think they are on their way to heaven even though they do not serve God. It is much easier to witness to someone who knows they are lost than trying to convince a ''saved sinner'' in their need for repentance.

That's an entirely different discussion which isn't relevant to this one.

Originally Posted by Baptistrw

That's an entirely different discussion which isn't relevant to this one.

Both groups need truth and to be delivered from their false gospel.

[roaringkitten]

"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Matthew 16:18

"Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner." 1 Peter 2:7

"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ" 1 Corinthians 3:11

Mahogony, Jesus is clearly the ROCK, the CORNERSTONE, the FOUNDATION of our faith. The Scriptures are very clear on this. Peter is NOT the rock! That is just plain errant teaching by whoever came up with the idea Peter was the rock. Jesus gave us the Word to discern false doctrine, and relying on ANYTHING other than the Word of God paves the way for false doctrine.


"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" 2 Timothy 3:16

"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak NOT according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Isaiah 8:20

[MahogonySnail]

Do you really think God needed Satan to keep His Church alive?

You don't wonder why God allowed or allows the catholic church to exist? :

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject to the higher authorities. For there is no authority but of God; the authorities that exist are ordained by God.

satan is under God's sovereign control as much as anyone else. The world would be a different place, without the Roman catholic church.
Who knows, the USA might have even been Muslim by now, if Islam had spread to Europe because there was no christian influence to stop it.

And Christian missionaries are forced to try to lead people out of a belief in a false gospel of works into a belief in the sufficiency of Christ. Witnessing to Catholics is harder than witnessing to atheists, b/c Catholics already think they're Christians, and are heavily indoctrinated in what their church teaches. Most anyways here are. The others don't know anything and go to church only on Christmas and Easter, but that's another story.

Yes and there's some pretty hardened indoctrinated atheists around too... but most Catholics already believe in God , Jesus etc and their dvinity, and apart from the doctrines which are the sticking point between catholics and protestants, both believe pretty much the same.

I was a catholic once, back in jr. high when my dad drug me to church. That was my knowledge of church as a kid. I went to catholosism classes and got involved with my peers. All the things like eating no meat on fridays during lent, why statues of mary were everywhere, the way mass was every sunday and saying "our fathers" and "hail marys" was never really explained, but then I never cared to learn. I was a kid, Jr. high then high school and that was what I knew of God and what church was supposed to be. But I believed in Jesus. I loved God. There were others who did too. Now suppose that junior high Derek stumbled upon this Christian Chat site because he wanted to involve God more in his life. Suppose he stumbled upon this forum and started reading how his religion was evil and devil worshiping. Suppose he started to read all the negative things you guys are writing here. Would these opinions lead someone closer to Christ? Is there love in what you guys feel about the catholic religion?

Now I do agree that there is alot of things that catholics do that dont line up with scripture and I thank God that I see the true light. But you know, Catholics arent evil, they arent worshiping devils. Thats the way they know God, just like I did. They may be mislead, or nieve to the Word of God. But as believers, they are our family. The opinions in this forum spoke a lot of hatred, at least thats the way I took it. And I know Ive read "that you dont hate catholics but thier doctrines", but surely a catholic could still take offense. I feel strongly about these issues too, concerning the catholic doctrine, but I tell you, blatenly telling someone they are wrong and pointing out their faults is not a constructive way of bringing forth truth. It is not love.

[imoss]

We are not God, we are not Jesus... WE get it wrong... no matter our "mother" church. Be us Baptist, Be us Protestant, Be us Catholic, Be us Pentecostal. Jesus is our risen Lord to all of these faiths Jesus is our risen Lord. I refuse to condem an individual with my righteous judgement based on the higherarchy of their chosen Church or its teachings. We are all mistaken. Because we are human we are not God. All of our Church's get it wrong in one way or another because a Church is a group of People not Gods. So take the righteous judgement and the labeling of a christ believing church as satanic and reflect on it. I do not believe in praying to mary, praying in repetition, or some of the other things that the Catholics do. I also do not believe that my father in law a wonderful follower of JESUS and SINNER .... YES HE WAS A SINNER and also of the catholic faith, I do not believe that he burns in hell because of the teachings of the elders in his church. He had relationship with the Lord. Now... go ahead and rebuke the muslims & the Jehovahs Jesus is not their risen Lord. Focus your attention on the people who require salvation and do not have the Lord. 1 John 4 1-4 Titus 3 9

Again, not denying the points.
But, I have to pinpoint a bit of fallacy in rationalizing and the danger of over generalizing things:

Originally Posted by Truth2010

As far as satanism goes, if you rape little boys, that is satanic.
Indeed it is. But, to be fair, pedophilia is not exactly a practice supported by catholics. They do not run around teaching their followers to rape children.
This is the conduct done by unfortunate lost souls. Thus, cannot be deemed as a justification of false religion.
If that is the case, then other denominations would be satanic as well. I've read and witnessed christian priests of non catholic raping little boys and hiring male prostitutes.
It does not mean that Christianity is a satanic religion. It just means that some of the followers are not practicing what they should.

[MissMaryMac]

First of all, why you would post this thread in on a site with very few Catholics, is beyond me. Perhaps so you can have a bunch of people agree with you and no one say other wise. If you want to really make a difference, go to www.catholicanswers.com, post it there, and see what kind of replies you get. Secondly, in no way am I saying the Catholic church is perfect. But honestly. Is there a perfect denomination here on earth? Not likely. As I'm reading here, though, it would seem you have a twisted view of the Catholic church. So, I'm going to try to inform you a little of why Catholics think the way they do.

The Catholic church bows down to Mary, and that in itself is IDOLATRY!

The Catholic church does not worship Mary. Perhaps there are some people within the Catholic church that do this, but it is not the teaching of the Church. The Church teaches that Mary is a "role-model" of sorts. They feel that Jesus would have had a close relationship with His mother, like any child does, and would expect us to do the same. Catholics hold Mary as a very good example of a Christian. Nothing more. There's a huge difference between veneration and worship. Catholics do not, by any means, see Mary as divine.

Mary is not the mediator or someone to pray to. The scriptures REFUTE this heresy clearly:
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

Catholics don't pray to Mary thinking that Mary does miracles or answers their prayers. They "pray" to Mary asking her to pray to Jesus who will mediate to God. Sounds like quite the roundabout way, but think about it. For the most part, Christians ask each other for prayer. I'd ask you to pray for me if I was ill or struggling. If I'm not mistaken, prayer is part of our spiritual being. As Christians, we believe that when we die, it's only our bodies that perish. Our souls go on. Would it not make sense, then, that we would still be able to pray to God? Catholics are simply asking their brothers/sisters in Christ to pray for them. They aren't expecting the saint or Mary to answer the prayer.

The vatican cannot forgive people of their sins! All mankind has sinned, Jesus is the ONLY perfect lamb of God.

Why, then, did Jesus command his disciples to go out and forgive? (Jesus said..."As the Father has sent me, even so I send you." And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained." (John 20:21-23)). If Jesus needed them to go out and forgive, does he not still need people to forgive now?

2 Cor 5:18-19 "...gave us the ministry of reconciliation..."
2 Cor 2:10-11 "What I have forgiven... in the presence of Christ..." Paul has forgiven people's sins in the name of Christ.
James 5:14-16 "...Let him call for the elders of the church... he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to one another..."

Transubstantiation is blasphemy and satanic! Jesus died ONCE, it is a FINISHED! Catholics teach the bread and the wine become the literal blood and body of Christ! That is cannibalism! The mass is so anti-Christian, it just boggles the mind why any Christian would support it!

"This is my body. This is my blood. Do THIS in memory of me."

There is no where in there that would suggest it be literal or symbolic. There's no way to say what is right and what is wrong. Perhaps it is just a symbol. Perhaps it isn't.

Jesus said "Your ancestors ate manna in the wilderness and died ...I am the living bread that came down from heaven ...unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man you will not have life within you."

52 The Jews argued with each other, saying, "How is this man able to give us his flesh to eat?" 53 JESUS said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you. If you should not eat the flesh of the SON OF MAN and you should not drink HIS blood, you have no life in yourselves. 54 The (person) gnawing on MY flesh and drinking MY blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For MY flesh is true food and MY blood is true drink. 56 The (person) gnawing on MY flesh and drinking MY blood remains in me and I (remain) in him. 57 In the same way the Living Father sent me and I live through the Father, the (person) gnawing on MY flesh will also live through me. 58 This is the bread having come down from heaven, unlike (the manna which our) ancestors ate and (then) died. The (person) gnawing on this bread will into the age (of the Kingdom)."

After this passage, it's said that many people left Jesus. Why was He not like "Hold up guys. I was only talking metaphorically here. You don't REALLY have to eat me. Come back." ?

The Roman Catholics also teach a works salvation heresy. Their favorite book of the Bible is James which if you read it in the whole scope of the Word, it is saying that our good works are a FRUIT of GENUINE faith in Christ. We are approved in the eyes of men, but God looks at the heart(1 Samuel 16:7).

The Catholic church does not teach that you get to heaven by works. Like you or I, the Catholic church teaches that you get to heaven by grace alone. It is only through the death and resurection of Jesus that anyone may get to heaven. They do, however, teach that faith without works is dead. Where you came up with the "James is their favorite book of the Bible" is kind of hilarious and pulled out of the air, but that's a whole other story.

The Catholic church IN NO WAY believes that Mary, saints, works, the pope, etc can save them. It's all Jesus. They're quite aware of this.

Now, I'm not a theologian, so I'm sure there's way better ways of going about these things, but I just wanted you to get the other side of the story. It sounds to me that you've been given false teachings of the Catholic church and formed your opinions from them. Why not trying to read the Catholic catechism, or perhaps just "Catholicism for Dummies."

I'm not trying to convert you into Catholicism or anything like that. I just don't think it's quite fair to be putting words into Catholic's mouths or describing misconceptions of them as truth. Sure, Catholics aren't perfect. But isn't that the whole point of being human?

[MissMaryMac]

Originally Posted by onwingsaseagles

Paul nor Peter had anything to do with Catholicism.

When Jesus left earth, Peter went to Rome and began the Chirsitan church there. It was the continuation of what he helped to develop that became the Catholic church.

Originally Posted by MissMaryMac

When Jesus left earth, Peter went to Rome and began the Chirsitan church there. It was the continuation of what he helped to develop that became the Catholic church.

Peter didn't found the church at Rome. If he had, Paul would have certainly addressed him in Romans. Peter didn't go to Rome til later in his life, after the church there had been established. The church was probably established by a converted Jew after Pentecost.

Originally Posted by MissMaryMac

The Catholic church does not teach that you get to heaven by works. Like you or I, the Catholic church teaches that you get to heaven by grace alone. It is only through the death and resurection of Jesus that anyone may get to heaven. They do, however, teach that faith without works is dead. Where you came up with the "James is their favorite book of the Bible" is kind of hilarious and pulled out of the air, but that's a whole other story.

I dunno what Catholic church you've been around, but everyone I've been around teaches salvation by works. Even the Catechism teaches it. You must be baptized for salvation (See the Catechism 1265-1266), you must take of the Mass (1325-1327), you must confess your mortal sins to priests and receive forgiveness (1461-1467)... that's all works.