When did God first reveal himself to humans?

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"By the 14th century BC, before the cult of Yahweh had reached Israel, groups of Edomite and Midianities worshipped Yahweh as their god."
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"The absence of references to a Syrian or Palestinian cult of Yahweh outside Israel suggests that the god does not belong to the traditional circle of West Semitic deities. The origins of his veneration must be sought elsewhere. A number of texts suggest that Yahweh was worshipped in southern Edom and Midian before his cult spread to Palestine. There are two Egyptian texts that mention Yahweh. In these texts from the 14th and 13th centuries BCE, Yahweh is neither connected with the Israelites, nor is his cult located in Palestine." Pg. 911 DDD
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'When did God first reveal himself to humans?'

When He created them, duh... (Gen. 1:27)
 
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Adam woke up and said who are you? I'm God your Creator......
 
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WHats this, another atheist post hoping to debate us out of our delusion?

Fortunately genuine born again Christians will never be debated out of a real relationship.
 
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Anyone wanna actually deal with the scholarly evidence?
 
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Celsus said:
[h=2]When did God first reveal himself to humans?
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[/h]"God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food”; and it was so. God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day." Gen 1:27-31
 
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God first revealed Himself to Adam when He created him around 6,000 years ago.
 
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So God first revealed himself to Adam then later when polytheism was rampant He decided to show back up and reveal himself to a bunch of cattle herders?
 
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Celsus said:
Anyone wanna actually deal with the scholarly evidence?
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If you want to discuss the bible you have come to the right place. If you want to discuss the delusions of Dr. Poopypants you need to look elsewhere.

Your sources lack credibility.

For the cause of Christ
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So God first revealed himself to Adam then later when polytheism was rampant He decided to show back up and reveal himself to a bunch of cattle herders?
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Actually He never STOPPED revealing Himself, but people just didn't care.

[SUP]1[/SUP] I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me;
I was found by those who did not seek me.
To a nation that did not call on my name,
I said, ‘Here am I, here am I.’
[SUP]2 [/SUP]All day long I have held out my hands
to an obstinate people,
who walk in ways not good,
pursuing their own imaginations—'

(Isaiah 65: 1-2 / NIV)


[SUP]26 [/SUP]From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. [SUP]27 [/SUP]God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. [SUP]28 [/SUP]‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’

(Acts 17:26-28 / NIV)
 
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notuptome said:
If you want to discuss the bible you have come to the right place. If you want to discuss the delusions of Dr. Poopypants you need to look elsewhere.

Your sources lack credibility.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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The sources are written by scholars who study ancient religion, archaeology, and epigraphy for a living. Care to provide your credentials?
 
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So God first revealed himself to Adam then later when polytheism was rampant He decided to show back up and reveal himself to a bunch of cattle herders?
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Ah, I love the smell of poorly-disguised antagonism in the morning!
 
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The sources are written by scholars who study ancient religion, archaeology, and epigraphy for a living. Care to provide your credentials?
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Many of whom don't give a rat's posterior about absolute truth or even believe it's a thing. Many of whom don't give a rat's posterior about knowing God, let along furthering His kingdom. Many of whom believe in non-scholarly nonsense such as the Documentary Hypothesis (or lend credence to it). Read Bill Cooper's excellent book "The Authenticity of the Book of Genesis". Then get back to us.
 
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The sources are written by scholars who study ancient religion, archaeology, and epigraphy for a living. Care to provide your credentials?
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Son, I have spent most of my life in the world of academia and higher education. Do not try to impress me with those whom you consider academic "scholars" no matter what field of academic discipline they represent. When the Bible comes into conflict with the scientific community it is never the Bible that is wrong but the interpretation of the historical evidences by the researchers.
 
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Tintin said:
Many of whom don't give a rat's posterior about absolute truth or even believe it's a thing. Many of whom don't give a rat's posterior about knowing God, let along furthering His kingdom. Many of whom believe in non-scholarly nonsense such as the Documentary Hypothesis (or lend credence to it). Read Bill Cooper's excellent book "The Authenticity of the Book of Genesis". Then get back to us.
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I haven't read that one yet but I have read others.

"The Babylonian origin of the biblical story of the Flood (Genesis 6–10) is well known since George Smith (in 1872) identified the Babyloniannarration of the deluge in a tablet from Ashurbanipal’s library. In spite of the clumsy and ignorant opposition of more conservative circles who considered that both stories (and others) could be dated back, via a ‘memory’ stretching over millennia, to a real event of geological times, here we havea clear case of literary transmission. The parallels between the biblicalstory and Babylonian versions of the myth preserved in the Atrahasis and
Gilgamesh epics, are too numerous and precise. The very resting of theark ‘on the mountains of Urartu [Ararat]’ (Gen. 8.4) not only reveals the Babylonian origin of the biblical narration, but also places its transmissionin the Neo-Babylonian age." Pg. 234 Israel's History and the History of Israel - Mario Liverani

The creation story is a copy of the Babylonian Enuma Elish. Look, the order is the same!
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Comparing the Genesis and Babylonian stories of creation
 
oldhermit

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I haven't read that one yet but I have read others.

"The Babylonian origin of the biblical story of the Flood (Genesis 6–10) is well known since George Smith (in 1872) identified the Babyloniannarration of the deluge in a tablet from Ashurbanipal’s library. In spite of the clumsy and ignorant opposition of more conservative circles who considered that both stories (and others) could be dated back, via a ‘memory’ stretching over millennia, to a real event of geological times, here we havea clear case of literary transmission. The parallels between the biblicalstory and Babylonian versions of the myth preserved in the Atrahasis and
Gilgamesh epics, are too numerous and precise. The very resting of theark ‘on the mountains of Urartu [Ararat]’ (Gen. 8.4) not only reveals the Babylonian origin of the biblical narration, but also places its transmissionin the Neo-Babylonian age." Pg. 234 Israel's History and the History of Israel - Mario Liverani

The creation story is a copy of the Babylonian Enuma Elish. Look, the order is the same!
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Comparing the Genesis and Babylonian stories of creation
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Have you read the Bible?
 
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