Is Antichrist from Rome or Islam?

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Jackson123

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Look 95% of Israel are atheist, they will accept the false Messiah because he brings piece to their war torn state. For them to that he must be a Jew. In my opinion a Syrian Jew.

Does he have to be accepted by the Jews willingly, Is there no possibility to coercion, or because it can bring peace.

USA accepted by Jews as to protect
 
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Kerry

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Does he have to be accepted by the Jews willingly, Is there no possibility to coercion, or because it can bring peace.

USA accepted by Jews as to protect
They will willing accept Him, God does not use force. Well He will not force you to accept Him nor will He force israel to accept Him. When they realize what they have done then they by their own freewill will call on God.
 
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You need to watch this video from Perry Stone, it was done in 2007 but what he says some of it is happening now.

[video=youtube;s5kxBm5zw3A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5kxBm5zw3A[/video]
 

Jackson123

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They will willing accept Him, God does not use force. Well He will not force you to accept Him nor will He force israel to accept Him. When they realize what they have done then they by their own freewill will call on God.

What do you mean by Him with capital H.

Jesus or The Antichrist.
 

Jackson123

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You need to watch this video from Perry Stone, it was done in 2007 but what he says some of it is happening now.

[video=youtube;s5kxBm5zw3A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5kxBm5zw3A[/video]

Islam not worship Allah not Jesus.

Islam said Abraham worship Allah, but Abraham is not worship Allah.

So the God of Abraham is not the same with the god of Islam.
 

Mem

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I apologize for not being prepared with all the proper verses, but the beast is attributed to have the names of blasphemy upon its head. Blasphemy is committed in hindrance of the Holy Spirit, this is also why I do not believe Jesus is the one being referred to in the verse that says, "until he is taken out of the way" but rather the one that hinders will be taken out of the way.

As to Israel receiving their Messiah, they are blinded by God Himself in order that the gentiles may be drawn and I believe the time comes soon that He will draw them back to Himself. We are seeing this in messianic revival, no?

If we are still looking for the Antichrist to be set up, and has is already, would that not endanger us to mistake Christ and reject Him at his return? I think that would be a major accomplishment for the antichrist if that happened and could be his strategy, but then Christ return would reveal the man of perdition. I mean, the angel with the key to the bottomless pit will have no confusion as to who he is and apprehend the wrong man.
 

iamsoandso

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so at the end of us all scratching our heads if a man named Jesus was born in the flesh as the Messiah sent from God, and a bunch of the people/Jews said that he was not the Christ,accused him of blasphemy,decided to wait for another Messiah in place of him and crucified him ,,,"are they anti-Jesus,anti-Messiah,anti-Christ" ?
 

Jackson123

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so at the end of us all scratching our heads if a man named Jesus was born in the flesh as the Messiah sent from God, and a bunch of the people/Jews said that he was not the Christ,accused him of blasphemy,decided to wait for another Messiah in place of him and crucified him ,,,"are they anti-Jesus,anti-Messiah,anti-Christ" ?
Anti in the original Greek not only mean against but also mean impostor.

Muslim not impostor of Jesus. Yes Islam against Jesus as a God but they not pretend to be Jesus or God. They god is Allah.

The Real Christ and the Antichrist
The Literal Meaning of "Antichrist"
As used in the Bible, the term combines the Greek word, "anti", with the title commonly given to Jesus. The main meaning of this word is, "instead of" or, "in place of".
"Antichrist", therefore means, literally, "someone who stands instead of, or in place of, the real Jesus Christ".
 

crossnote

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Will the real antichrist please not stand up!
 

Mem

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so at the end of us all scratching our heads if a man named Jesus was born in the flesh as the Messiah sent from God, and a bunch of the people/Jews said that he was not the Christ,accused him of blasphemy,decided to wait for another Messiah in place of him and crucified him ,,,"are they anti-Jesus,anti-Messiah,anti-Christ" ?
A bunch recognized Him also, Paul for one, others hearts were hardened. And then there is the theory of the two houses, two tribes make up the house of Judah ("Jews" as we know them) and the house of Joseph (the remnant 10 tribes, "Joes", who most likely do not even realize they are the house of Israel as they have been dispersed into all the world). Anyway, I understand the jewish policy is to allow their people to choose their own religion, so that is not exactly hindering Christ as the Pharisees had done.
 
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Kencore

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You guys need to check ou Walid Shoebat End Times Today. It's lenghthy but he lays it all out Biblically. Very informative.
 

iamsoandso

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Anti in the original Greek not only mean against but also mean impostor.

Muslim not impostor of Jesus. Yes Islam against Jesus as a God but they not pretend to be Jesus or God. They god is Allah.

The Real Christ and the Antichrist
The Literal Meaning of "Antichrist"
As used in the Bible, the term combines the Greek word, "anti", with the title commonly given to Jesus. The main meaning of this word is, "instead of" or, "in place of".
"Antichrist", therefore means, literally, "someone who stands instead of, or in place of, the real Jesus Christ".
exactly,,so then the Jews(back in the day Jesus was there) looked at him and thought/said,,"no,your not the real Messiah were going to wait for another one",,, and so since they were/are against him(Jesus) being the Messiah(don't believe he is),,,they in tern are looking for a "re-placement/instead of" Jesus,they are waiting for the "real Messiah<--------because they don't believe Jesus is the real one=anti-Christ/anti-Jesus ",,,
 

iamsoandso

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So again if the devil is "against Christ",and comes to set up his(devils) own kingdom in the end to act/work against Jesus/Messiah then the first thing the devil has to do is "believe Jesus is actually the Messiah",,,,,that is he knows Jesus is the Messiah,but don't like that so he works against Jesus. So notice that "the man of sin/beast" (does believe) Jesus was born in the flesh and was crucified which is not the deffanition of "an anti-Christ",,,so there are "anti-Christ",,(AND) the beast/devil but they are two different things,,
 

Jackson123

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So again if the devil is "against Christ",and comes to set up his(devils) own kingdom in the end to act/work against Jesus/Messiah then the first thing the devil has to do is "believe Jesus is actually the Messiah",,,,,that is he knows Jesus is the Messiah,but don't like that so he works against Jesus. So notice that "the man of sin/beast" (does believe) Jesus was born in the flesh and was crucified which is not the deffanition of "an anti-Christ",,,so there are "anti-Christ",,(AND) the beast/devil but they are two different things,,

That what I understand the meaning of Anti in Greek.

Anti mean Against and pretending


So anti Christ mean against and pretending to be Christ.


Islam is against but not pretending to be Christ. So Islam is not antichrist.
 

Stve

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I could see it happening that if there is a pre tribulation rapture, and all the believers are gone. The remaining people forming a one world religion with the vatacan as its headquarters, or even the vatician itself being turned into a mosque if all the believers are gone from the earth, if that happens both could be true.
 

Mem

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That what I understand the meaning of Anti in Greek.

Anti mean Against and pretending


So anti Christ mean against and pretending to be Christ.


Islam is against but not pretending to be Christ. So Islam is not antichrist.
But they are expecting a "messiah" aren't they?
 
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JesusIsAll

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I could see it happening that if there is a pre tribulation rapture, and all the believers are gone. The remaining people forming a one world religion with the vatacan as its headquarters, or even the vatician itself being turned into a mosque if all the believers are gone from the earth, if that happens both could be true.
Yes, the rapture will be such a game changer. In essence, the moral compass of the Holy Spirit in people will be gone, a situation ripe for all evil to flourish, all falseness and apostasy,

Luke 6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
 

iamsoandso

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That what I understand the meaning of Anti in Greek.

Anti mean Against and pretending


So anti Christ mean against and pretending to be Christ.


Islam is against but not pretending to be Christ. So Islam is not antichrist.
the same like manner that the Jews of old/modern reject Jesus as the Messiah and replace him with,,"a future Messiah coming" also the Islams reject Jesus as the Savior/Messiah with the Mahdi/12th Muhammad al-Mahdi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia the point being that they are all replacing Jesus with some other Savior,,"in place of Christ",,,
 

Jackson123

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But they are expecting a "messiah" aren't they?
Yes,
And the true messiah has come, and 95 percent of them are atheist they don't care real messiah or impostor as long as bring peace.

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    The plans for the United Religions Organization, a one-world church, is about to become institutionalized. Collaborating are Episcopalian Bishop William Swing, the Gorbachev Foundation and certain leaders of the Catholic Church.
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One-World Church Expected This Year
CORNELIA R. FERREIRA
One of the long-standing goals of the Masonic New World Order seems finally within grasp: its one-world church, in the making for over 150 years, is about to become institutionalized as the United Religions Organization—the UR. Collaborating on the details are Bishop William Swing of the Episcopal Diocese of California, the Communist Gorbachev Foundation/USA, and certain leaders of the Catholic Church, working through the interreligious organization known as the World Conference on Religion and Peace.

Plans for the formation of the UR were first revealed by Bishop Swing at the syncretic service held to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of the signing of the United Nations Charter. Attending the service in San Francisco's Grace Episcopal Cathedral on June 25, 1995, were representatives of all religions as well as political and spiritual luminaries like Princess Margaret of Britain, Anglican Archbishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa, then President Lech Walesa of Poland and UN Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali.
 

iamsoandso

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I could see it happening that if there is a pre tribulation rapture, and all the believers are gone. The remaining people forming a one world religion with the vatacan as its headquarters, or even the vatician itself being turned into a mosque if all the believers are gone from the earth, if that happens both could be true.
In part I agree the beast when he comes will be to every group the exact definition of what they believe is the Savior/Messiah ,,,to the Jews they will see him as the Messiah they are waiting for,,the Islams will see him as the Mahdi,,the American Indians will see him as the "white buffalo",,ect.ect. ,,,the problem associated with the Christian belief though is that a large amount of them will assume that he(the beast) is Jesus returned in the second coming.