1 Corinthians 13:8

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Revelator7

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My paraphrase:

Where there is personal prophecy or Biblical prophecy, these things will cease one day. Where there is the tongues of men and the tongues of angels, they will be stilled one day. Where there is all knowledge, it will pass away one day.

Paul began in 1 Cor 13 with talking about the langauges of men and of angels, then he wrote "where there is tongues, they will be stilled".
Are the langauges of men stilled? No! Is the language that angels speak in stilled? Of course not. How else would they communicate?

Paul also began in the same chapter of Corinthians with putting the gift of knowledge and the gift of prophecy side by side one another. In continues to write "for we know in part, and we prophesy in part". We see a theme here.
Has knowledge, which is in part, has it passed away? Indeed it hasn't! Has prophecy (personal or Biblical), which is like knowledge in part, has that passed away too? Well if Biblical prophecy has passed away, then where are we Today? There is still Biblical prophesy to be fulfilled! In the same mannor, personal prophecy cannot have passed away either. The word for personal and Biblical in the Greek and Aramaic (the original text of the Bible) is the same word.

Notice in that one verse, in that one sentence in 1 Cor 13:8 there are semicolons in the English Bible between thoughts? Here: Prophecy ; tongues ; knowledge. This means each thought is connected to each other as one part. Just as Proverbs 3:5-6, between verses 5 and 6 there is a semicolon, but the thought/written word is not seperated, it's connected as one thing.

We still have knowledge, we still have tongues, then this would mean in context of the Scripture that we still have prophecy.

I hope I explained this well.
 
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kennethcadwell

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The context in this scripture is also about doing them in love for our Lord.
Paul makes it clear that if he does these things, but has not love then they are nothing, so they would only be done partly.
Being done partly means nothing, you must fully walk in love and by doing this you use these gifts to edify and lift up others.
If you do it for your own personal recognition, greed, and out of deception you are nothing.

Then he goes to say about them ceasing that they will not tell He who is perfect comes. Has our Lord Jesus Christ returned yet ? Of course not.
 
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Revelator7

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kennethcadwell said:
The context in this scripture is also about doing them in love for our Lord.
Paul makes it clear that if he does these things, but has not love then they are nothing, so they would only be done partly.
Being done partly means nothing, you must fully walk in love and by doing this you use these gifts to edify and lift up others.
If you do it for your own personal recognition, greed, and out of deception you are nothing.

Then he goes to say about them ceasing that they will not tell He who is perfect comes. Has our Lord Jesus Christ returned yet ? Of course not.
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Something I should have noted in my post also was the context of Paul's writting was about the nature and character of Love. That things like prophecy and tongues and knowledge and any other gift is not a constant such as God's love, that they're not perfect in comparison to the Love of God. Good word.
 
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kennethcadwell

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Revelator7 said:
Something I should have noted in my post also was the context of Paul's writting was about the nature and character of Love. That things like prophecy and tongues and knowledge and any other gift is not a constant such as God's love, that they're not perfect in comparison to the Love of God. Good word.
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Exactly, Paul makes it clear when he said if I prophesized but have not love I am a sounding gong.
He shows clearly if it has no benefit to others then it means nothing.
God's love and grace is eternal, but these things will cease once all is accomplished and there is no longer a need for them.
Is there still things left to be accomplished ? YES
Is there small remote regions of the world that have not heard the gospel ? As of last year, the report I saw said yes there was a few places left.
Are there still prophecies that have not been fulfilled, and scripture that says there will be prophecies done in the last days ?
Yes and Yes
 
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Butch5

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Revelator7 said:
My paraphrase:

Where there is personal prophecy or Biblical prophecy, these things will cease one day. Where there is the tongues of men and the tongues of angels, they will be stilled one day. Where there is all knowledge, it will pass away one day.

Paul began in 1 Cor 13 with talking about the langauges of men and of angels, then he wrote "where there is tongues, they will be stilled".
Are the langauges of men stilled? No! Is the language that angels speak in stilled? Of course not. How else would they communicate?

Paul also began in the same chapter of Corinthians with putting the gift of knowledge and the gift of prophecy side by side one another. In continues to write "for we know in part, and we prophesy in part". We see a theme here.
Has knowledge, which is in part, has it passed away? Indeed it hasn't! Has prophecy (personal or Biblical), which is like knowledge in part, has that passed away too? Well if Biblical prophecy has passed away, then where are we Today? There is still Biblical prophesy to be fulfilled! In the same mannor, personal prophecy cannot have passed away either. The word for personal and Biblical in the Greek and Aramaic (the original text of the Bible) is the same word.

Notice in that one verse, in that one sentence in 1 Cor 13:8 there are semicolons in the English Bible between thoughts? Here: Prophecy ; tongues ; knowledge. This means each thought is connected to each other as one part. Just as Proverbs 3:5-6, between verses 5 and 6 there is a semicolon, but the thought/written word is not seperated, it's connected as one thing.

We still have knowledge, we still have tongues, then this would mean in context of the Scripture that we still have prophecy.

I hope I explained this well.
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It doesn't follow. You're jumping around. When Paul speaks of tongues ceasing he's not saying no one will speak anymore. The gift of tongues in the New Testament was a gift where one person could speak in a language they didn't know.So, when Paul says tongue shall cease he means the ability for people to speak in a language they never learned.
 
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