Light -> Sun in Genesis.
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The word firmament means something that is solid, and which this sound a lot better than sky as being a solid dome, and it is that the firmament is the earth crust that had expanded over the water and which a giant spring of water (Geyser) that sprayed water on the surface of this crust, making great lakes and rivers; and so the waters that was on top of the firmament was separated from the waters below it by this firmament. In the original text, it didn't mentioned anything about mountains and oceans, it only had said lakes, rivers, and hills or mounds and letting us know that there were some changes after the flood.
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Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying , I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. (John 8:12)
Colossians 1:4-6
4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit , as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
Then we read further in Colossians 1:15-19 that Jesus ids the creator of all things.
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created , that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist .
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
As long as Jesus is the creator of all things, He was the light before the sun. The Son is the first light, the sun is the second light.
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying , I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. (John 8:12)
Colossians 1:4-6
4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit , as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
Then we read further in Colossians 1:15-19 that Jesus ids the creator of all things.
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created , that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist .
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
As long as Jesus is the creator of all things, He was the light before the sun. The Son is the first light, the sun is the second light.
I do not think you quite understand this either. There is some debate among scholars on this text as to whether this should be read as an imperative or an indicative. Since ἐραυνᾶτε can be either, the deciding factor must be determined by its use in the context itself. If it is an imperative then this is command, "You search the scriptures." If it is indicative then he is accusing them in their search of scriptures. Jesus is not condemning their search of the scripture nor is he marginalizing the importance of the scripture itself. What Jesus is doing is condemning their motives for searching the scripture. He is accusing them of searching the scriptures in vain. Read the 119th Psalm and see how scripture is to be revered.
If you are talking about the Bible as simply a collection of wood pulp, ink, glue and sundry other material items then yes, you are correct. But the Bible is much more that the sum of its collective material parts. It is the truth that is revealed in message that makes the Bible what it is. THAT is what comes from the mind of God.
R
The light that God created on the first day was spiritual light. He created it and seperated it from spiritual darkness.
Basically God created the earth in the dark because the sun wasn't made until the fourth day.
Biblically, as a believer you are a child of the Day. And the children of the devil are of the Night.
Basically God created the earth in the dark because the sun wasn't made until the fourth day.
Biblically, as a believer you are a child of the Day. And the children of the devil are of the Night.
R
Why are we splitting hairs over semantics people?
The Bible can perceived in many ways. One man would look at it as a mere physical object containing pages and words. Bible means "Book", so that's as far as they may desire to see it, just a book. Another man would say the Bible is the sum of everything it says, and so to them Holy Scripture and Bible are interchangable terms. And they would perceive that Scripture holds the key to eternal life. One man puts little emphasis on it, the other puts total emphasis on it. Funny thing is, both aren't wrong because one speaks from his logic, and the other speaks from his own logic. The Bible is just a book. I cannot save anyone. But the words inside it can lead to salvation. Yet, the Bible is not just a book, and it saves many people because thhe words inside it can lead to salvation. Both sides should see each other man's perspective and understand what he is talking about. I can see both sides and understand it, then so can you. One man wears blue lenses and the other decides to try on red lenses while the other man is wearing the blue. if they only choose to both wear the purple lenses, then the blue man would see what the red one is seeing andthe red one would see what the blue man is seeing.
The Bible can perceived in many ways. One man would look at it as a mere physical object containing pages and words. Bible means "Book", so that's as far as they may desire to see it, just a book. Another man would say the Bible is the sum of everything it says, and so to them Holy Scripture and Bible are interchangable terms. And they would perceive that Scripture holds the key to eternal life. One man puts little emphasis on it, the other puts total emphasis on it. Funny thing is, both aren't wrong because one speaks from his logic, and the other speaks from his own logic. The Bible is just a book. I cannot save anyone. But the words inside it can lead to salvation. Yet, the Bible is not just a book, and it saves many people because thhe words inside it can lead to salvation. Both sides should see each other man's perspective and understand what he is talking about. I can see both sides and understand it, then so can you. One man wears blue lenses and the other decides to try on red lenses while the other man is wearing the blue. if they only choose to both wear the purple lenses, then the blue man would see what the red one is seeing andthe red one would see what the blue man is seeing.
J
"And God called the firmament Heaven." "Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so." "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years. And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so." "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork." "And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."
Seems pretty celestial stuff. It's the vast expanse of the sky, the space which includes the earth’s atmosphere and the celestial realm. This has been accepted by most everybody down through the ages, which means accepted by nobody here. LOL!
Seems pretty celestial stuff. It's the vast expanse of the sky, the space which includes the earth’s atmosphere and the celestial realm. This has been accepted by most everybody down through the ages, which means accepted by nobody here. LOL!
Someone who really thinks!! I have wondered this. We say that this first day spoken of in scripture was the first day of all creation, yet there was darkness here on that first day that God added what Hebrews called owr. We are told that was "in the beginning". Was that the beginning of all creation or the beginning of God making our earth a place for us? In Isaiah it speaks of God creating evil as well as good, yet most scriptures point to God as good and that God is love. Every scripture we have is of God expressing love, even those man says are about killing are of God showing us the way to have love and abundance in our world by getting rid of what is against that good living.
I am sure there are many people reading this who are sure they know all these answers with absolute certainty. I don't think man has been given absolute understanding of these things. If God wanted us to know, God would say exactly how it is. There are many mysteries in our world that we are not given cut and dried answers to, but we are given everything we need to know. We are to use faith in the Lord and His word for the rest.
I am sure there are many people reading this who are sure they know all these answers with absolute certainty. I don't think man has been given absolute understanding of these things. If God wanted us to know, God would say exactly how it is. There are many mysteries in our world that we are not given cut and dried answers to, but we are given everything we need to know. We are to use faith in the Lord and His word for the rest.
Lol true indeed on that last part. Though to voice my nuance. I figured the skydome above the face of the earth could technically be counted as the waters below the Firmament/Outer Space by reason that they are connected to the face of the earth. Though I suppose it could plausibly be a part of the Firmament too. Then let's not forget there are waters above the Firmament, the Heaven of Heavens.
I guess to take a little inspiration from Stilly, my model be something like this:
Heaven of Heavens
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Firmament
/-------Sky-------\
/------Dome------\
---Face of Earth---
Waters the Earth sits upon
I guess to take a little inspiration from Stilly, my model be something like this:
Heaven of Heavens
--------------------------------
Firmament
/-------Sky-------\
/------Dome------\
---Face of Earth---
Waters the Earth sits upon
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