Light -> Sun in Genesis.

[Channa]

Dear people,


In Genesis 1:3 stands:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

A bit further stands:

[SUP]14 [/SUP]And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, [SUP]15 [/SUP]and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. [SUP]16 [/SUP]God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. [SUP]17 [/SUP]God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, [SUP]18 [/SUP]to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. [SUP]19 [/SUP]And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

So. First there was the light. Then there was the sun, moon and stars.
That makes no sense to me.
Could anyone explain it?


Bless'
Channa.

BTW; If there's no answer. Could you please just say it?

 

[Flamingspirit]

The light in Genesis 1:3 was a conscious state of being and awareness of self.

 

[Channa]

You mean the phenomenon light was made in Genesis 1:3?
But. Imagine. If the sun turns out. Right now.
We wouldn't have light anymore in eight minutes. Or would we?
I mean. There isn't light without the sun, is there?

 

[Flamingspirit]

You mean the phenomenon light was made in Genesis 1:3?
But. Imagine. If the sun turns out. Right now.
We wouldn't have light anymore in eight minutes. Or would we?
I mean. There isn't light without the sun, is there?

Do not get physical light found later in the sun with consciousness found earlier.

John 1

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.


5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

 

[Channa]

In my bible stands

John 1:4
"In the word was life, and that life was the light for the people'' (other translation)

but that's figuratively. Isn't it?

 

[Flamingspirit]

In my bible stands

John 1:4
"In the word was life, and that life was the light for the people'' (other translation)

but that's figuratively. Isn't it?

Consciousness is life and light. In a cartoon, when someone gets an idea, it's represented by a light bulb going on in their minds. Thus as long as we live and work it is called day. This is my day as is yours. Night in this case is the absence of consciousness or death.

 

[Channa]

Consciousness is life and light. In a cartoon, when someone gets an idea, it's represented by a light bulb going on in their minds. Thus as long as we live and work it is called day. This is my day as is yours. Night in this case is the absence of consciousness or death.

So. What ur saying is that in Genesis 1:3 God created the consciousness of life and light? Consciousness for who? For Himself? Tell me if I get you wrong.

 

[Flamingspirit]

So. What ur saying is that in Genesis 1:3 God created the consciousness of life and light? Consciousness for who? For Himself? Tell me if I get you wrong.

It was the beginning of the "personification" of God. Remember what came first in God. It was darkness or inactivity. From this came "I am" or the word which denotes a state of being. It was done so that this life, light and glory can be given to us.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

No, the Sun is not the only thing in Creation that gives forth light. It is only the Greater Light set to rule in the day. The Moon, the Lesser Light is set to give forth light at night. Light itself is a material, the first material God created. Can't have a Sun or a Moon or Stars without first making light of course.

 

[RedTent]

In order to understand the difference between what God created on the first and on the fourth day of creation, we need to go back to the ancient Hebrew language. The translators translated best they could but there weren't really any words that translated the meaning correctly.

On the first day, God started with a world that was "choshek". They translated it as darkness and the opposite of light. A better way of translating it is a world filled with blindness and misery. To this the Lord gave "owr" translated as light. All of God is, as we see in the gospel of John, light. Other words would be illumination, enlightenment.

The fourth day was when, in the Hebrew language, the objects that emit the light we think of as light were created. Completely different Hebrew words were used for this kind of light.

 

[Channa]

...Remember what came first in God. It was darkness or inactivity. ...

So. God didn't know Light before he made light?

 

[Channa]

Btw. It's actually a pretty awesome first sentence of God.
'Let there be light'

 

[oldhermit]

Dear people,


In Genesis 1:3 stands:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

A bit further stands:

[SUP]14 [/SUP]And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, [SUP]15 [/SUP]and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. [SUP]16 [/SUP]God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. [SUP]17 [/SUP]God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, [SUP]18 [/SUP]to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. [SUP]19 [/SUP]And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

So. First there was the light. Then there was the sun, moon and stars.
That makes no sense to me.
Could anyone explain it?


Bless'
Channa.

BTW; If there's no answer. Could you please just say it?

These are a couple of segments from my teaching outline on Genesis. I hope they will help.

III. The Creation of Light, 3-5. “Let there be...” This is the command pattern for every stage of creation.

A. Light is spoken into existence. What kind of light is under consideration? It is not that which represents the glory of God such as we find in the dedication of the Temple. This is light that is comprised of matter. It is created light that is not produced by celestial sources. These are not yet created.
B. Light is separated from the darkness. This is an interesting phenomenon. Light and darkness do not naturally separate. It required an act of God to separate the two. What does this say about the theory of natural determinacy – the influence of natural law? It did not yet exist. Heaven and earth are matter, light is energy. These are the two basic elements of physics. At this point in creation, there are no natural laws in place to influence their behavior. Light is separated from the darkness by an act of God. This will begin the sequence of time. Matter and energy are being organized into a more complex life sustaining system.
C. Light is assigned to function – To measure time, 5. God gives the definition of what constitutes a day.

1. Light = day + morning.
2. Darkness = night + evening.
The combination of these two represent a 24 hour period of time. This same standard of measurement is used in every stage of creation. From the first day before the sun, moon, and stars were created until after these are placed in the heavens as the standard measurement of evening and morning representing one day. This standard of measurement does not change through the chapter.

D. The laws of physics are now put in place. This will be represented in at least four ways.

1. The measuring of months and years will be regulated and measured according to rotational patterns.
2. Earths rotation is set. This places light on one hemisphere and darkness on the other.
3. Evening and morning effect are now the result of the rotation of the earth on its axis.

VII. The Creation of Celestial Bodies, 14-19. The fourth day. Light is coalesced into stars. How much matter was created as light in verse three? Apparently enough to form all of the stars and other objects. Now, light is not only separated from the darkness, it is organized into the celestial bodies of the heavens.

A. Sun and moon – Purpose – To regulate time and to give light upon the earth.

1. To separate day from night. This maintains the same standard of time measurement that has already been put in place from the first day.
2. To establish a pattern for seasons.
3. This means that Earth's magnetic fields are now in place which is formed by the flow of the earths liquid iron core. The magnetic field is necessary to protect the earth against solar radiation.
4. Gravitational forces are now operational. Earth now begins it revolution around the sun which creates the changing of seasons.

 

[Flamingspirit]

So. God didn't know Light before he made light?

He's always known it. He simply manifested it in the physical realm.

 

[4enlightment]

John 1:9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world.

If you had the perfect cure for world hunger, wouldn't you want to share it? A group called theBreatharians claims to have the answer to this worldwide dilemma and to other food-related diseases: stop eating. Or rather, live offprana, which is a Sanskrit word that translates to "life air" or "life force." (Click here to learn more about prana in the Vedas, the sacred texts of Hinduism). The concept of prana appears in many other traditions. China, Japan andPolynesia all have their own words for this sustaining life force. HowStuffWorks "How can a human live on only air and light?"

The human body literally glows, emitting a visible light in extremely small quantities at levels that rise and fall with the day, scientists now reveal. http://www.livescience.com/7799-strange-humans-glow-visible-light.html

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Breatharians believe that a person can give up food and wateraltogether and live purely off prana, which they also call "living on light" or "living on air." Foremost

 

[The_highwayman]

The light in Genesis 1:3 was a conscious state of being and awareness of self.

Gen 1.4-5 say you are wrong:

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

cease and desist from speaking gnostic lies to young people and young Christians or you will be reported and I will make every attempt to have you banned from this site.

There is no excuse for you stating this to this young lady. Espeically when the Bible is clear and you are in such error.

 

[RedTent]

He's always known it. He simply manifested it in the physical realm.

Are you actually saying that there is a connection between the physical and spiritual realm? I think that is a tremendous leap forward in understanding.

 

[oldhermit]

Are you actually saying that there is a connection between the physical and spiritual realm? I think that is a tremendous leap forward in understanding.

The existence of the natural realm and the unseen realm are simply two parts of a single reality.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Btw. It's actually a pretty awesome first sentence of God.
'Let there be light'

Yes it is awesome! By the way, sun or moon aren't needed to have light,

Revelation 12:23-24 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

God is from eternity, of course had all things before His creation work, can create light absent some natural man's thinking how it must be some orb in the sky. Here's a short and sensible article link,

How could the days of Genesis 1 be literal if the Sun wasn’t created until the fourth day?

It can't hurt to Google these things and get the thinking of some real theologians, part and present, always good to look for some honesty and consensus from people who will admit nobody knows, but... You'll see a lot of claptrap in web forums like CC, people stating as if fact things they can't even possibly know. And all the rampant allegorizing of scripture is poisonous, people making of scripture whatever they want it to mean, destroying any real, literal meanings of Bible scripture in the process. It's always good to consult resources like time honored commentaries and learned Bible scholars on the web.

 

[Flamingspirit]

Gen 1.4-5 say you are wrong:

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

cease and desist from speaking gnostic lies to young people and young Christians or you will be reported and I will make every attempt to have you banned from this site.

There is no excuse for you stating this to this young lady. Espeically when the Bible is clear and you are in such error.

Psalms 139

11 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me.


12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.

I don't know anything about gnostic teachings. Maybe you need to stop building your beliefs off the backs of what it mainly accepted. It is the many that are confused and deceived, correct?