Exceptions to even God's rule?

[Kaycie]

Examples before my question...

The bible says men are to have short hair and women long hair- but God had Samson have long hair.

Under the old testament you had to be a physical decedent, but Rahab was allowed to become one of them.

OK, here's my question...

The bible says not to divorce and remarry, and it also says to go by the laws of the land in which you live. In America if you are found drunk or in some way not of sound mind and body, the marriage is considered void.

What if a teenage girl is kidnapped, raped, forced to marry by gunpoint (that is not of sound mind), and later escapes and divorces him. Is she then biblically striped of the right to have a husband? The bible says the husband is the head of the wife- does she have to spend the rest of her Christian life headless? (pardon the pun). I am asking seriously. And if someone did marry when they weren't supposed to- wouldn't that be forgiven?

 

[blue_ladybug]

Examples before my question...

The bible says men are to have short hair and women long hair- but God had Samson have long hair.

Under the old testament you had to be a physical decedent, but Rahab was allowed to become one of them.

OK, here's my question...

The bible says not to divorce and remarry, and it also says to go by the laws of the land in which you live. In America if you are found drunk or in some way not of sound mind and body, the marriage is considered void.

What if a teenage girl is kidnapped, raped, forced to marry by gunpoint (that is not of sound mind), and later escapes and divorces him. Is she then biblically striped of the right to have a husband? The bible says the husband is the head of the wife- does she have to spend the rest of her Christian life headless? (pardon the pun). I am asking seriously. And if someone did marry when they weren't supposed to- wouldn't that be forgiven?

​I would say no, if she was kidnapped and raped and FORCED to marry, then that is not of God and not considered a valid marriage in his eyes.. So no she would not be biblically stripped of the right to have a husband.. This is only my opinion, however..

 

[kennethcadwell]

Examples before my question...

The bible says men are to have short hair and women long hair- but God had Samson have long hair.

Under the old testament you had to be a physical decedent, but Rahab was allowed to become one of them.

OK, here's my question...

The bible says not to divorce and remarry, and it also says to go by the laws of the land in which you live. In America if you are found drunk or in some way not of sound mind and body, the marriage is considered void.

What if a teenage girl is kidnapped, raped, forced to marry by gunpoint (that is not of sound mind), and later escapes and divorces him. Is she then biblically striped of the right to have a husband? The bible says the husband is the head of the wife- does she have to spend the rest of her Christian life headless? (pardon the pun). I am asking seriously. And if someone did marry when they weren't supposed to- wouldn't that be forgiven?

I will answer two things you said;

The first is the bible did not say it is wrong for man to have long hair, and 1 Corinthians 11:16 answers that for you.
Notice how the verse about man having long hair is posed as a question in verse 14.

1 Corinthians 11:14
[SUP] [/SUP]Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
1 Corinthians 11:16
But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.


And now as for a woman who is raped and forced to marry and then later divorces him, not having the right to remarry is not biblical. Our Lord Jesus says divorce is allowed and frees the person from committing adultery if they marry again, if the divorce was because of sexual immorality. Rape would qualify as sexual immorality.


Matthew 5:32
But I say that a man who divorces his wife, unless she has been unfaithful, causes her to commit adultery. And anyone who marries a divorced woman also commits adultery.

 

[Kaycie]

I will answer two things you said;

The first is the bible did not say it is wrong for man to have long hair, and 1 Corinthians 11:16 answers that for you.
Notice how the verse about man having long hair is posed as a question in verse 14.

1 Corinthians 11:14
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
1 Corinthians 11:16
But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.


And now as for a woman who is raped and forced to marry and then later divorces him, not having the right to remarry is not biblical. Our Lord Jesus says divorce is allowed and frees the person from committing adultery if they marry again, if the divorce was because of sexual immorality. Rape would qualify as sexual immorality.


Matthew 5:32
But I say that a man who divorces his wife, unless she has been unfaithful, causes her to commit adultery. And anyone who marries a divorced woman also commits adultery.

The hair thing is another topic, but I know this woman. He also cheated on her and bragged about it. He kept her like some kind of secret in a basement and didn't even let her turn the lights on so no one would find out. His car sat at a bar in view of the window of this basement. Still she tried to escape several times and was caught and beat up.

 

[Ugly]

Sometimes we have to step outside of seeing God as a list of rules and start viewing Him as a living entity with understanding and compassion. Gods biggest focus is on our heart and intent and not only on our actions. Because usually our actions reflect our heart first. But in the case of a person such as you're describing, God knows the reasons behind the choices. He knows it's not her heart. He knows the situation, and i have no problem with the idea that God would not hold anything against her. Sin starts in the heart. Her heart wasn't in defiance of God, and the actions she took were not done in defiance of Him either. While i'm not saying our actions are completely irrelevant, i am saying God knows and understands special circumstances. He is compassionate after all.

 

[kennethcadwell]

The hair thing is another topic, but I know this woman. He also cheated on her and bragged about it. He kept her like some kind of secret in a basement and didn't even let her turn the lights on so no one would find out. His car sat at a bar in view of the window of this basement. Still she tried to escape several times and was caught and beat up.

Once again cheating is adultery, and physical violence I believe is also sexual immorality.
If they are not sexual active, and the sex is not consenting but forced it falls under sexual immorality.
I know it is hard for women in abusive situations to get away from them, do to being scared, forced to stay, and even getting a low self esteem complex that leads them to start thinking they either deserve it or can't do any better.

It would not be wrong for her to get out and divorce him, and our Lord would accept that divorce under the grounds of sexual immorality.

 

[watty]

Once again cheating is adultery, and physical violence I believe is also sexual immorality.
If they are not sexual active, and the sex is not consenting but forced it falls under sexual immorality.
I know it is hard for women in abusive situations to get away from them, do to being scared, forced to stay, and even getting a low self esteem complex that leads them to start thinking they either deserve it or can't do any better.

It would not be wrong for her to get out and divorce him, and our Lord would accept that divorce under the grounds of sexual immorality.[/Quote

I am sorry Ken but I totally disagree with you, " physical violence I believe is also sexual immorality." Physical violence is far from sexual immorality. Physical violence can generate from many factors like mental issues, physical problems, attacked by mental abuse, under the influence of a known or unknown substance. Physical violence can be driven according to ones paradigm as well as being a trait.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Sometimes we have to step outside of seeing God as a list of rules and start viewing Him as a living entity with understanding and compassion. Gods biggest focus is on our heart and intent and not only on our actions. Because usually our actions reflect our heart first. But in the case of a person such as you're describing, God knows the reasons behind the choices. He knows it's not her heart. He knows the situation, and i have no problem with the idea that God would not hold anything against her. Sin starts in the heart. Her heart wasn't in defiance of God, and the actions she took were not done in defiance of Him either. While i'm not saying our actions are completely irrelevant, i am saying God knows and understands special circumstances. He is compassionate after all.

I believe your comment a truly great one. Bless you!

 

[Dan58]

If someone is forced to get married, or is married under threat, I don't believe God hold's them to the vow because the choice didn't freely emanate from within their own heart. If a person is persuaded to comply out of fear, the decision is under duress. When Peter saw Jesus being beaten, he denied knowing him to avoid the same fate. He lied to avoid the repercussions of telling the truth. Jesus forgave him, just as I believe he'd forgive a person for saying "I do" to avoid a beating. jmo

 

[blue_ladybug]

Sometimes we have to step outside of seeing God as a list of rules and start viewing Him as a living entity with understanding and compassion. Gods biggest focus is on our heart and intent and not only on our actions. Because usually our actions reflect our heart first. But in the case of a person such as you're describing, God knows the reasons behind the choices. He knows it's not her heart. He knows the situation, and i have no problem with the idea that God would not hold anything against her. Sin starts in the heart. Her heart wasn't in defiance of God, and the actions she took were not done in defiance of Him either. While i'm not saying our actions are completely irrelevant, i am saying God knows and understands special circumstances. He is compassionate after all.

Wonderful reply, Ugly!!

 

[oldhermit]

The hair thing is another topic, but I know this woman. He also cheated on her and bragged about it. He kept her like some kind of secret in a basement and didn't even let her turn the lights on so no one would find out. His car sat at a bar in view of the window of this basement. Still she tried to escape several times and was caught and beat up.

The writing of divorcement under the law was to protect the innocent party. However, the writing of divorce was not a commandment but a provision. The innocent party was not under obligation to divorce his unfaithful wife but was permitted to do so if he chose to do so. The grater valor was demonstrated if he forgive his wife. Read the book of Hosea and see how God dealt with Israel as an unfaithful wife. There is the revealed example of how one should deal with unfaithfulness in a marriage.

 

[Kaycie]

Sometimes we have to step outside of seeing God as a list of rules and start viewing Him as a living entity with understanding and compassion. Gods biggest focus is on our heart and intent and not only on our actions. Because usually our actions reflect our heart first. But in the case of a person such as you're describing, God knows the reasons behind the choices. He knows it's not her heart. He knows the situation, and i have no problem with the idea that God would not hold anything against her. Sin starts in the heart. Her heart wasn't in defiance of God, and the actions she took were not done in defiance of Him either. While i'm not saying our actions are completely irrelevant, i am saying God knows and understands special circumstances. He is compassionate after all.

"Her heart was not in defiance to God." Very well said Ugly.

 

[jdbear]

Sometimes we have to step outside of seeing God as a list of rules and start viewing Him as a living entity with understanding and compassion. Gods biggest focus is on our heart and intent and not only on our actions. Because usually our actions reflect our heart first. But in the case of a person such as you're describing, God knows the reasons behind the choices. He knows it's not her heart. He knows the situation, and i have no problem with the idea that God would not hold anything against her. Sin starts in the heart. Her heart wasn't in defiance of God, and the actions she took were not done in defiance of Him either. While i'm not saying our actions are completely irrelevant, i am saying God knows and understands special circumstances. He is compassionate after all.

I think God is honored by this post.