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I would like to shed light on the way an abused woman feels.......because I was that woman......
First of all.....we love these men .....not out of fear....because most abusive men don't become abusive till after we fall in love with them......I loved my husband...and as far as the bedroom.....
I never felt obligated....or forced....its a cycle this abuse....it starts out the best ..they are loving and
attentive....exciting.....the next phase ....pulling away...distancing themselves....then the violence...
we are confused....and unsure what we have done to cause this....and when we want to give up and run.......it goes back to the loving and apologetic and caring man we fell for in the first place..
The cycle continues.....I'm thankful I found God through this time.....for I probably wouldn't have survived.......my husband also was cheating...so I had the reason to divorce.....
It is true what you say about losing self esteem and self worth.....I had none when in left him....
But I had God to give me back more then I had before this mess....and If one day I find the
Godly man who can put up with me.....I honestly think God will smile on my well deserved marriage...
First of all.....we love these men .....not out of fear....because most abusive men don't become abusive till after we fall in love with them......I loved my husband...and as far as the bedroom.....
I never felt obligated....or forced....its a cycle this abuse....it starts out the best ..they are loving and
attentive....exciting.....the next phase ....pulling away...distancing themselves....then the violence...
we are confused....and unsure what we have done to cause this....and when we want to give up and run.......it goes back to the loving and apologetic and caring man we fell for in the first place..
The cycle continues.....I'm thankful I found God through this time.....for I probably wouldn't have survived.......my husband also was cheating...so I had the reason to divorce.....
It is true what you say about losing self esteem and self worth.....I had none when in left him....
But I had God to give me back more then I had before this mess....and If one day I find the
Godly man who can put up with me.....I honestly think God will smile on my well deserved marriage...
K
I am not making excuses, I am stating facts from actual victims accounts on how they felt in those situations.
Living in poverty has nothing to do with abusive relationships.
If you and your family are starving, and you steal food to eat you are still committing sin.
There is no acceptable way to justify sins, and if our Lord says that something is allowed to do then it is not sin.
So saying that divorce is acceptable for sexual immorality, then marrying another would not be adultery.
He says only if the divorce is done because of something besides sexual immorality, does it make marrying again adultery.
I don't justify my sins, but I do talk to people who were in certain situations to see how they felt.
Ephesians 4:28
Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
Paul makes it clear here that we are to work to have what we need, to steal even if is to feed a starving person is still wrong.
Living in poverty has nothing to do with abusive relationships.
If you and your family are starving, and you steal food to eat you are still committing sin.
There is no acceptable way to justify sins, and if our Lord says that something is allowed to do then it is not sin.
So saying that divorce is acceptable for sexual immorality, then marrying another would not be adultery.
He says only if the divorce is done because of something besides sexual immorality, does it make marrying again adultery.
I don't justify my sins, but I do talk to people who were in certain situations to see how they felt.
Ephesians 4:28
Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
Paul makes it clear here that we are to work to have what we need, to steal even if is to feed a starving person is still wrong.
K
I am glad you could share your testimony.
The things I posted was from abused women that I talked to, and how they told me they felt.
A few of them did talk like you do, but most of them said they did live in fear in all areas including sexual.
So what I posted was told to me from other abused women.
The things I posted was from abused women that I talked to, and how they told me they felt.
A few of them did talk like you do, but most of them said they did live in fear in all areas including sexual.
So what I posted was told to me from other abused women.
K
They both would be wrong in the same stance.
Once again the emphasis on this sin being worse then this one is what we do, not what the Lord our God does.
Jesus clearly states that only blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a greater sin.
And it says here that you must work to have the things needed to provide. If you come along a person who is starving, and you don't have any food to give them, or money to buy them some food, and you go out and steal food to feed them. You are still committing sin that would need to be asked forgiveness of.
Once again the emphasis on this sin being worse then this one is what we do, not what the Lord our God does.
Jesus clearly states that only blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a greater sin.
And it says here that you must work to have the things needed to provide. If you come along a person who is starving, and you don't have any food to give them, or money to buy them some food, and you go out and steal food to feed them. You are still committing sin that would need to be asked forgiveness of.
K
Well of course they should change that law because it does not conform biblically with our Lord.
Our Lord Jesus says he who is with out sin cast the first stone. He makes it clear in that scripture with the woman caught in adultery we no longer are to decide life and death situations on an individual because of the sin they committed, because we are all guilty of sin and should face death.
The mosaic law made it acceptable to stone a woman to death for adultery, the Lord Jesus says no....
No violence against a woman by her husband should be tolerated. Absolutely none. The woman should remove herself and any children from the home and seek the safety of the appropriate agencies.
What would you have her do? Wait until he kills her? Or only till he maims her?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
What would you have her do? Wait until he kills her? Or only till he maims her?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Yes, most definitely she should!! If she is being abused, then yes. If he is cheating on her, then divorce is acceptable in God's eyes. God would not want her to stay in a loveless marriage where there is abuse, adultery, rape, etc, going on.
I completely disagree with Kenneth's view on 'sexual immorality', however. Let's say for example, the husband repeatedly rapes her. THAT is sexual immorality on the part of the MAN, not the wife!! After all, HE is the rapist. IMO, submitting to sex OUT OF FEAR is NOT immorality on the part of the wife. She is simply just committing self-preservation, and should not be condemned for giving in. Sex under threat of violence is wrong, illegal and reprehensible. It is NOT consensual, nor can it be called "making love". I don't believe God would hold her accountable for doing whatever she has to do in order not to get beat/raped or worse, anymore.. Just sayin'..jmo
K
The mosaic law was given to teach the Jews right from wrong, and consequences that go along with doing wrong.
The Jews misused the law and instead of using it to change from doing wrong, they put emphasis on some sins and initiating the punishments on them, but letting others slide. Like some still do today.
Jesus did away with the written ordinances of the mosaic law, but taught to still keep the moral values the laws were intended for.
The written ordinances, sacrifices, and punishments we are no longer under. That is what not under the law means.
The moral values the commandments taught still apply. The law could not reconcile people to God, for people still choose to misuse it. Jesus was sent in the flesh to do what the law couldn't, reconcile us to God by forgiving us of our sins by shedding His own blood for us.
Hebrews 8:7
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second
The new covenant has changes from the old.
Moses allowed divorce certificates, Lord Jesus only allowed them for sexual immorality
adultery and other sins had penalties of death, Lord Jesus says that only if you are with out sin do you have the right to decide judgment and death on somebody. ( Guess what, only Jesus was without sin. )
Mosaic law had food restrictions, new covenant only says we are not to eat foods that we know were offered to idols.
Adultery in the mosaic law was the physical act, Lord Jesus says lusting in the heart is adultery ( not just physical act )
The law did teach forgiveness but they did not listen to that, even today you have people calling themselves Christians but have no forgiveness in their heart, only hatred.
It is good to forgive somebody, but does that forgiveness mean you have to stay in a volatile marriage.
No it does not. Can you love your enemy, but not support their actions. Yes
The Jews misused the law and instead of using it to change from doing wrong, they put emphasis on some sins and initiating the punishments on them, but letting others slide. Like some still do today.
Jesus did away with the written ordinances of the mosaic law, but taught to still keep the moral values the laws were intended for.
The written ordinances, sacrifices, and punishments we are no longer under. That is what not under the law means.
The moral values the commandments taught still apply. The law could not reconcile people to God, for people still choose to misuse it. Jesus was sent in the flesh to do what the law couldn't, reconcile us to God by forgiving us of our sins by shedding His own blood for us.
Hebrews 8:7
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second
The new covenant has changes from the old.
Moses allowed divorce certificates, Lord Jesus only allowed them for sexual immorality
adultery and other sins had penalties of death, Lord Jesus says that only if you are with out sin do you have the right to decide judgment and death on somebody. ( Guess what, only Jesus was without sin. )
Mosaic law had food restrictions, new covenant only says we are not to eat foods that we know were offered to idols.
Adultery in the mosaic law was the physical act, Lord Jesus says lusting in the heart is adultery ( not just physical act )
The law did teach forgiveness but they did not listen to that, even today you have people calling themselves Christians but have no forgiveness in their heart, only hatred.
It is good to forgive somebody, but does that forgiveness mean you have to stay in a volatile marriage.
No it does not. Can you love your enemy, but not support their actions. Yes
J
Hebrews 6:1-3 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit.
