-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
W
The wife of Moses, Zipporah was the daughter of the Median Priest Jethro. The Midianites, are one of this first African-Arab people who lived in desert areas as there in the Sinai. Yes, Zipporah was a black woman. God found no issues with who Moses married. The sister and brother of Moses did have issues with his wife being black.
K
There is only one reason for divorce- if your spouse is having sex with other people. But as far as abuse goes (I believe even verbal abuse), even though you can't divorce them, you don't have to live under the same roof if you need to protect yourself and your children. The bible says, "Better to live on a corner of the roof than share a house with a quarrelsome wife." Proverbs 25:24
This is why you should date for a long time before you jump into a marriage. Get to know the person well. How do they react in certain situations. No one is going to be perfect, but there are things you can live with and things you can't- such as putting their socks on the floor instead of the hamper verses being physically attacked. Just as satan is not patient and cannot act like an angel of light for long before he's found out, it won't take long for a person who is pretending to show that they are not genuine. What you need to look for in a mate are the fruits of the Spirit found in Galatians 5:22.
This is why you should date for a long time before you jump into a marriage. Get to know the person well. How do they react in certain situations. No one is going to be perfect, but there are things you can live with and things you can't- such as putting their socks on the floor instead of the hamper verses being physically attacked. Just as satan is not patient and cannot act like an angel of light for long before he's found out, it won't take long for a person who is pretending to show that they are not genuine. What you need to look for in a mate are the fruits of the Spirit found in Galatians 5:22.
J
Yes, actually, you're preaching to the choir about not condemning anybody. To the contrary, the questions run deeper than stark legalisms, I believe, but would rather not elaborate on this now, but to say everything has a context, and context can alter stark legalisms some claim immutable, as our Lord demonstrated of the woman caught in adultery, His word, of the Old Testament, was she must be stoned, but the Lord was bringing His plan into greater light. It's not even inconsistent to say, "This was once the case, but now, that doesn't fit." It's called progress, God's dealings with man a progression.
J
Your feet even teach you that, the shoes that fit as a child, no longer fit an adult, just as Paul taught there is spiritual milk for babies and spiritual meat for adults. There are perhaps reasons the ink of the law has been replaced by the law of love and the Spirit many have not yet come to grips with.
U
So, women are stuck with abusive men and God makes now allowances for that? And so women and maybe even children grow up being put down and beat. Children grow up learning this is acceptable and God expects them to stay in it. This way they grow up to be in abusive marriages or abuse their spouse and/or children. This is what God wants? If he kills her, oh well, that's the expectation God has?
Obedience to God is important, but it starts with heart and motives. A womans desire to get out of an abusive marriage is not one of selfishness or defiance against God. It is about protecting her mind and body and perhaps those of her children as well. While obedience is good, some people focus more on obedient acts than obedient hearts and intentions.
Obedience to God is important, but it starts with heart and motives. A womans desire to get out of an abusive marriage is not one of selfishness or defiance against God. It is about protecting her mind and body and perhaps those of her children as well. While obedience is good, some people focus more on obedient acts than obedient hearts and intentions.
J
One must also wonder. The woman is the victim. She is wanting to be free of abuse, with, as you mention, perhaps children likewise suffering, free before somebody is hospitalized or brutalized to death. Now, folks, I'm just putting forth a case. The courts recognize an abused woman is the victim and not culpable, and defaming the innocent victim is always morally reprehensible, even to man, whose government is also the arm of God's system of justice and order. Are we more able to see that which is just than the Lord? Does our righteousness exceed that of the Lord? Can any see the Lord Jesus punishing the beaten woman? Would making the woman a further victim be walking in the light of Christ in Spirit and truth, in love? Or perhaps a better alternative is to, like some Pharisee, tell the man to drag her home and beat her until she shuts up and stops talking divorce?
Matthew 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Matthew 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Then the wife should retreat to safety its that simple, however easier said then done. God will deal adamantly with the man who sheds innocent blood especially if it his own family.
Colossians 3:19 Husbands, love your wives and do not be bitter toward them.
1 Timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
If a man is not loving his wife or family he is not PROVIDING. That being said if she leaves him to save her own life from a insane idiot it is justifiable, but if she divorces him it has to be because of adultery or infidelity. Grace is evident but be careful to make acceptations to the instructions of the word of God.
Colossians 3:19 Husbands, love your wives and do not be bitter toward them.
1 Timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
If a man is not loving his wife or family he is not PROVIDING. That being said if she leaves him to save her own life from a insane idiot it is justifiable, but if she divorces him it has to be because of adultery or infidelity. Grace is evident but be careful to make acceptations to the instructions of the word of God.
K
This is why you date long enough to really get to know the person. There is a difference between someone who goes to church for years just because they think their attendance will earn them heaven, and someone who truly loves and serves God. You know because outside of the church building they are still loving and serving God during the week- that is faithfulness and they will be faithful to you. Another way you can know is if the focus is on what you can do for them instead of what they can do for you. When you love someone you just naturally want to do nice things for them.
But if this did happen somehow, as you say, you are still bound to the person. And if that's the case, you still have hope because the influence of love is strong. The more you show love for them the more you may just soften their hard heart. Everyone is attracted to the genuine purity of love.
But if this did happen somehow, as you say, you are still bound to the person. And if that's the case, you still have hope because the influence of love is strong. The more you show love for them the more you may just soften their hard heart. Everyone is attracted to the genuine purity of love.
J
To reiterate a question, and expand on it,
Suppose one of the parties to a marriage is innocent, of good faith, but the other is lying when they take their vows, are marrying for sheer lust, or for money, the vows not meaning a word of it to some hedonistic charmer? Is this really a valid marriage? Before answering, perhaps consider a little whether any two party covenant or contract is valid, when one party is defrauding the other and careless of the terms of the agreement, as a matter of fact, intends not to fulfill word one.
Suppose one of the parties to a marriage is innocent, of good faith, but the other is lying when they take their vows, are marrying for sheer lust, or for money, the vows not meaning a word of it to some hedonistic charmer? Is this really a valid marriage? Before answering, perhaps consider a little whether any two party covenant or contract is valid, when one party is defrauding the other and careless of the terms of the agreement, as a matter of fact, intends not to fulfill word one.
J
It happens all the time, but the end for this man was merciful, she divorced him, relieving him of that burden, and good riddance. What of the abused woman who can't just get a permanent restraining order? Is it sin to be deceived, to be a victim, of what amounts to a fraud, and such that you must forever live being victimized?
Note that I only ask these questions, wondering what people think, have convictions of my own, but get very curious as to what other Christians think. I have my convictions, but would not put those on anybody else, am not trying to debate anything, just asking some things, getting opinions to consider, that's all. I would add that I'm not one to say the letter of the law is the end all, for all circumstances.
Note that I only ask these questions, wondering what people think, have convictions of my own, but get very curious as to what other Christians think. I have my convictions, but would not put those on anybody else, am not trying to debate anything, just asking some things, getting opinions to consider, that's all. I would add that I'm not one to say the letter of the law is the end all, for all circumstances.