Christ's Gospel? Paul's Gospel?
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By the way, who ae you and where did you come into this courtroom of inquisition? Wow....what a bunch of weaklings when it comes to making sense of your charges. I am not worthy of such a thing, but our Lord was called much worse. God bless you all with His understanding and not just that of the flesh.
If one lived as you speak of, He would indeed be sinless...This is not the case!....We true Christians, sin everyday simply from the very nature of Mankind. As my Lord the Holy Spirit (within me) guides and teaches me how to remove these ideal from my mind on a daily basis, I find it gets easier everyday to walk closer to Him.
Only you and God know what is in your heart. Have you been truly saved? I do believe I would want to know for sure!?
No man has a different Gospel than that of Jesus Christ. If ay man teaches a different gospel let him be accurse.........this is from the Word.
This form is to discuss the Word of god or, the Bible.
This thread within the boundaries of the Word suggests Paul teaches something other than Jesus as teh Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Paul says there is only one gospel, that of our Lord. The people who seem to have a problem with me are arguing agains what is in the Word about Paul from Paul's own writing. They do not read all of Paul, or they would know Paul is the last to say the gospel he preaches is other than the gospel of Jesus Christ.
One person has tried to give it a forumula as for salvation. Jesus Christ says if we believe Him we are saved..
Now believing Him means doing what He teqaches......I am afraid people try to make Paul into something he never intended himself to be.
As far as his credentials are concerned, he has written about himself as to his encounters with Jesus Christ.
The last prphet predicted was John, the Baptist. I believe the Twelve Apostles are the men of renown mention in Chapter 3 of Zechariah given to the High Priest, JOshua, Jesus.
I do not see Paul prophesied anywhere in the Old or New Testaments. This is not against him, but it does demonstrate he was simply a gifted preacher. His name does not figure on any of the foundations of the New Jerusalem only the Twelve.
There are two more prophets of God who are yet to come, the witnesses who will preach for about f2 months then will be slain in the plaza or square of the holy city Jerusalem,but no others have been mentiones.
Oh, of course the evil one and his prophet are also foretold.
I read Paul, and I learn from hi,m, but only what theHoly Spirit attests to. Otherwie I am more than content to be in that group who fulfill the prophecy of being taught by God, Jesus Christ, Yeshua.
You may have to read this more than once to grasp it since yu seem to be on a one-liner binge of verbal assaults instead of sticking to the thread OP:
This form is to discuss the Word of god or, the Bible.
This thread within the boundaries of the Word suggests Paul teaches something other than Jesus as teh Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Paul says there is only one gospel, that of our Lord. The people who seem to have a problem with me are arguing agains what is in the Word about Paul from Paul's own writing. They do not read all of Paul, or they would know Paul is the last to say the gospel he preaches is other than the gospel of Jesus Christ.
One person has tried to give it a forumula as for salvation. Jesus Christ says if we believe Him we are saved..
Now believing Him means doing what He teqaches......I am afraid people try to make Paul into something he never intended himself to be.
As far as his credentials are concerned, he has written about himself as to his encounters with Jesus Christ.
The last prphet predicted was John, the Baptist. I believe the Twelve Apostles are the men of renown mention in Chapter 3 of Zechariah given to the High Priest, JOshua, Jesus.
I do not see Paul prophesied anywhere in the Old or New Testaments. This is not against him, but it does demonstrate he was simply a gifted preacher. His name does not figure on any of the foundations of the New Jerusalem only the Twelve.
There are two more prophets of God who are yet to come, the witnesses who will preach for about f2 months then will be slain in the plaza or square of the holy city Jerusalem,but no others have been mentiones.
Oh, of course the evil one and his prophet are also foretold.
I read Paul, and I learn from hi,m, but only what theHoly Spirit attests to. Otherwie I am more than content to be in that group who fulfill the prophecy of being taught by God, Jesus Christ, Yeshua.
You may have to read this more than once to grasp it since yu seem to be on a one-liner binge of verbal assaults instead of sticking to the thread OP:
That sounds like a cool TV show from the 70s. 
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Christ's Gospel? Paul's Gospel?
Are they different? Or are they complementary? Is Paul's Gospel 'his', or is it God's Gospel embraced by him? Are Paul's (and the other apostolic writings in the New Covenant Scriptures) what Jesus alluded to in John 16?
I was asked this question in an email recently:
"Another question, some at hrm [Hebrew Roots Movement/Torah pursuant folks] say there is the gospel of Jesus vs the gospel of Paul. Basically they teach that Paul wrote his own gospel even though Jesus clearly stated after his death burial and resurrection there would be more to come(information)."
My response:
That's a great question! In John 16, Jesus says this:
12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
Jesus is clearly telling His disciples that there is more truth to come that they, on that side of the Cross, could not, would not understand.
The Work of the Cross, the Resurrection, the Ascension, and His Perfect High Priesthood all needed to be in place before the fullness of the Gospel of Grace could be explained.
With the implications to the Law and Israel's relationship with it and God, when you think about it, it kinda had to be Paul to receive that revelation of the Gospel of Grace.
Paul was a Pharisee of the highest reputation, knowing the Law inside and out. For him to embrace the Gospel of Grace, which he proclaimed to be 'his' Gospel, was huge. To address that question real quick, Paul, by the end of his letter to the Romans states that it is 'his' Gospel, not in an 'I thought it up and created it' way, but in an 'I now embrace this as my Good News, applied to my life - the New Covenant, superior to the Old Covenant for which I had such passion' way.
Note that in Romans 1 Paul says this:
16 For I am not ashamed of >>> the <<< gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”
At the beginning of the letter to the Romans it is 'the' Gospel, and the letter to the Romans is a treatise on our
>>> need <<< for the Gospel for Jews and Gentiles alike, the
>>> supply <<< of the Gospel for Jews and Gentiles alike, and the
>>> results <<< of the Gospel for Jews and Gentiles alike.
And Paul expertly weaves the proper use of the Law and the application and superiority of Grace throughout - at the end proclaiming, as a former Pharisee Law-keeper, that this is *his* Gospel - a Gospel that he embraces himself, after having gone through the issues of Law and Grace point by point throughout the letter (and also in his other letters).
Now read Paul's closing comments in Romans 16:
25 Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long ages 26 but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations,
>>> according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith— <<<
27 to the only wise God be glory forevermore through Jesus Christ! Amen.
So the Gospel that Paul preached was not a gospel apart from Christ's, but Paul's and other apostolic New Covenant writings were the fulfillment of what Christ said in John 16.
Paul minces no words here when establishing the source for what he was teaching to the Galatians:
11 For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel. 12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it,
>>> but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. <<<
13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God violently and tried to destroy it. 14 And I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people, so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers. 15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace, 16
>>> was pleased to reveal his Son to me, <<<
in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with anyone; 17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me, but I went away into Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.
One thing to note here, as well, is that Jesus said that the Spirit of Truth would point to and glorify Christ - not to point to and glorify the Law, but to Christ, which is what Paul and the other apostles do all throughout the New Covenant Scriptures.
God was no longer relating to mankind - nor was He desiring mankind to relate to Him - through the Law, but through the Work and Person of God in the flesh, Christ Jesus.
So Paul (and the others) were not writing their own 'gospels'; they were carrying out the fulfillment of Jesus' words in John 16 - they were receiving that further information that could be understood on the side of the Cross where they now lived and we do too - revealing what was actually accomplished at the Cross, the Resurrection, the Ascension, and with the High Priesthood of Christ - and writing it down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
(I found the photo at a pro-Islam think tank site, btw. Funny, they use the same arguments that HRMers tend to use!)
Grace and peace to you in our Lord, Jesus Christ!
-JGIG
Christ's Gospel? Paul's Gospel?
Are they different? Or are they complementary? Is Paul's Gospel 'his', or is it God's Gospel embraced by him? Are Paul's (and the other apostolic writings in the New Covenant Scriptures) what Jesus alluded to in John 16?
I was asked this question in an email recently:
"Another question, some at hrm [Hebrew Roots Movement/Torah pursuant folks] say there is the gospel of Jesus vs the gospel of Paul. Basically they teach that Paul wrote his own gospel even though Jesus clearly stated after his death burial and resurrection there would be more to come(information)."
My response:
That's a great question! In John 16, Jesus says this:
12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
Jesus is clearly telling His disciples that there is more truth to come that they, on that side of the Cross, could not, would not understand.
The Work of the Cross, the Resurrection, the Ascension, and His Perfect High Priesthood all needed to be in place before the fullness of the Gospel of Grace could be explained.
With the implications to the Law and Israel's relationship with it and God, when you think about it, it kinda had to be Paul to receive that revelation of the Gospel of Grace.
Paul was a Pharisee of the highest reputation, knowing the Law inside and out. For him to embrace the Gospel of Grace, which he proclaimed to be 'his' Gospel, was huge. To address that question real quick, Paul, by the end of his letter to the Romans states that it is 'his' Gospel, not in an 'I thought it up and created it' way, but in an 'I now embrace this as my Good News, applied to my life - the New Covenant, superior to the Old Covenant for which I had such passion' way.
Note that in Romans 1 Paul says this:
16 For I am not ashamed of >>> the <<< gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”
At the beginning of the letter to the Romans it is 'the' Gospel, and the letter to the Romans is a treatise on our
>>> need <<< for the Gospel for Jews and Gentiles alike, the
>>> supply <<< of the Gospel for Jews and Gentiles alike, and the
>>> results <<< of the Gospel for Jews and Gentiles alike.
And Paul expertly weaves the proper use of the Law and the application and superiority of Grace throughout - at the end proclaiming, as a former Pharisee Law-keeper, that this is *his* Gospel - a Gospel that he embraces himself, after having gone through the issues of Law and Grace point by point throughout the letter (and also in his other letters).
Now read Paul's closing comments in Romans 16:
25 Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long ages 26 but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations,
>>> according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith— <<<
27 to the only wise God be glory forevermore through Jesus Christ! Amen.
Paul minces no words here when establishing the source for what he was teaching to the Galatians:
11 For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel. 12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it,
>>> but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. <<<
13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God violently and tried to destroy it. 14 And I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people, so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers. 15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace, 16
>>> was pleased to reveal his Son to me, <<<
in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with anyone; 17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me, but I went away into Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.
One thing to note here, as well, is that Jesus said that the Spirit of Truth would point to and glorify Christ - not to point to and glorify the Law, but to Christ, which is what Paul and the other apostles do all throughout the New Covenant Scriptures.
God was no longer relating to mankind - nor was He desiring mankind to relate to Him - through the Law, but through the Work and Person of God in the flesh, Christ Jesus.
So Paul (and the others) were not writing their own 'gospels'; they were carrying out the fulfillment of Jesus' words in John 16 - they were receiving that further information that could be understood on the side of the Cross where they now lived and we do too - revealing what was actually accomplished at the Cross, the Resurrection, the Ascension, and with the High Priesthood of Christ - and writing it down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
(I found the photo at a pro-Islam think tank site, btw. Funny, they use the same arguments that HRMers tend to use!)
Grace and peace to you in our Lord, Jesus Christ!
-JGIG
Paul has not a "gospel of Paul" Paul preached the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ not the gospel of paul .
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Very true. And too many pastors avoid bringing this up and showing Christians from the Bible as to how to deal with sin in their lives. They also frequently avoid face-to-face meetings with those who need to be counseled and admonished. Many have lowered the biblical standard and accept many worldly things into their churches.