Christ's Gospel? Paul's Gospel?

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EarnestQ

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It is ironic to me that there is so much heat on CC and so little light.
 

Didymous

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It is ironic to me that there is so much heat on CC and so little light.
Why is that? Some people come here for discussion, friendship, fellowship-and others to feed their ego. I see the same thing when I visit various churches.
 

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There is only one gospel- the gospel of Jesus Christ- which is the good news of how the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ can save us from hell if obeyed. During baptism we die to ourself, bury our sinful self in the watery grave of baptism, and are raised a new creature in Christ- that is the one and only gospel that saves.

Romans 6:3, 1 Peter 3:21, 2 Thesalonians 1:8, 1 Corinthians 15:4, Galatians 1:8
Amen! Upon the Baptism of the HOLY SPIRIT we die to self and are risen with the LORD. For we are dead nevertheless we live yet not us but Christ liveth in us. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. Old things have passed away and all things have become new and are of GOD.
 

LW97

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Only Paul's Gospel saves today!
 

mailmandan

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Why is that? Some people come here for discussion, friendship, fellowship-and others to feed their ego. I see the same thing when I visit various churches.
Also, some people come here to share the gospel and others to pervert the gospel. I have seen the same thing on various Christian forums.
 

graceNpeace

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Only Paul's Gospel saves today!
There is only one Gospel and Paul's name is not on it, even if he was the one NT writer who understood it well enough to explain it the way that he did...
 

mailmandan

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There is only one Gospel and Paul's name is not on it, even if he was the one NT writer who understood it well enough to explain it the way that he did...
It's interesting that Paul referred to the gospel that he preached as "my gospel" (Romans 2:16; 16:25; 2 Timothy 2:8) although it originated with Jesus Christ and Paul received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12).
 

graceNpeace

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It's interesting that Paul referred to the gospel that he preached as "my gospel" (Romans 2:16; 16:25; 2 Timothy 2:8) although it originated with Jesus Christ and Paul received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12).
I cannot say for sure, but I wonder if the explanation is similar to what I have felt, since I also think of the Gospel as "my Gospel" not because I am its author or anything so grand, but merely alongs the lines that I own the responsibility for proclaiming and preaching the Gospel....
It is my responsibility and I own that responsibility!
Could something similar account for Paul's description, I wonder?
 

Nehemiah6

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Also, some people come here to share the gospel and others to pervert the gospel. I have seen the same thing on various Christian forums.
And that should surprise no one. There is an intense ongoing battle between Light and Darkness.

This site was subjected to a major cyber-attack by Satan yesterday, but all the garbage has now been removed. A person by the username of Incognito appeared out of the blue recently to attack sound Bible doctrine and pervert the truth. Evidently she has been banned also. But the battle is not over. At the moment we have JIMBO43 trying to peddle his nonsense.
 
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It's interesting that Paul referred to the gospel that he preached as "my gospel" (Romans 2:16; 16:25; 2 Timothy 2:8) although it originated with Jesus Christ and Paul received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12).
When one believes and embraces the Gospel it becomes theirs in the same way people will say ""My God "" they are not declaring ownership of God.. They are revealing their alignment with God..

Jesus is my Messiah .. :) Which does not mean i own Jesus as some kind of slave..
 

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Originally Posted by Gabriel2020


If anyone says that they believe the gospel of Jesus Christ, then they have to prove that they do by living according to every word that he taught. You don;t do this then you are not a believer.
Just No... One big NO...

No one can live up to the perfect law of God in these flesh human bodies..

One can, and many do believe Jesus but continually fail to live up to the standards of Jesus..

No one ever succeds in living up to the standards of the LORD Jesus Christ.. No One ...
 

John146

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There is only One Gospel.. The Gospel that Paul shared is the same as that given by the LORD Jesus Christ...
Can you post Scripture to prove this claim? Remember, the gospel message that Paul taught is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for sins. Thanks.
 

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Can you post Scripture to prove this claim? Remember, the gospel message that Paul taught is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for sins. Thanks.
Do you want me to post all of Pauls letters ? Because they are the proof..

So i refer you to all of Pauls letters..
 

Nehemiah6

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It is ironic to me that there is so much heat on CC and so little light.
Some prefer friction to illumination.

FRICTION-------> HEAT

ILLUMINATION--------> LIGHT

Since there is only one Christ how can there be two or more Gospels?
 

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As often happens here at the BDF on CC, this thread has lost sight of the OP, so here it is again:

Originally Posted by JGIG

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Christ's Gospel? Paul's Gospel?




Are they different? Or are they complementary? Is Paul's Gospel 'his', or is it God's Gospel embraced by him? Are Paul's (and the other apostolic writings in the New Covenant Scriptures) what Jesus alluded to in John 16?

I was asked this question in an email recently:


"Another question, some at hrm [Hebrew Roots Movement/Torah pursuant folks] say there is the gospel of Jesus vs the gospel of Paul. Basically they teach that Paul wrote his own gospel even though Jesus clearly stated after his death burial and resurrection there would be more to come(information)."


My response:
That's a great question! In John 16, Jesus says this:


12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.


Jesus is clearly telling His disciples that there is more truth to come that they, on that side of the Cross, could not, would not understand.

The Work of the Cross, the Resurrection, the Ascension, and His Perfect High Priesthood all needed to be in place before the fullness of the Gospel of Grace could be explained.

With the implications to the Law and Israel's relationship with it and God, when you think about it, it kinda had to be Paul to receive that revelation of the Gospel of Grace.

Paul was a Pharisee of the highest reputation, knowing the Law inside and out. For him to embrace the Gospel of Grace, which he proclaimed to be 'his' Gospel, was huge. To address that question real quick, Paul, by the end of his letter to the Romans states that it is 'his' Gospel, not in an 'I thought it up and created it' way, but in an 'I now embrace this as my Good News, applied to my life - the New Covenant, superior to the Old Covenant for which I had such passion' way.

Note that in Romans 1 Paul says this:

16 For I am not ashamed of >>> the <<< gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”


At the beginning of the letter to the Romans it is 'the' Gospel, and the letter to the Romans is a treatise on our


>>> need <<< for the Gospel for Jews and Gentiles alike, the

>>> supply <<< of the Gospel for Jews and Gentiles alike, and the

>>> results <<< of the Gospel for Jews and Gentiles alike.​


And Paul expertly weaves the proper use of the Law and the application and superiority of Grace throughout - at the end proclaiming, as a former Pharisee Law-keeper, that this is *his* Gospel - a Gospel that he embraces himself, after having gone through the issues of Law and Grace point by point throughout the letter (and also in his other letters).

Now read Paul's closing comments in Romans 16:

25 Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long ages 26 but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations,

>>> according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith— <<<

27 to the only wise God be glory forevermore through Jesus Christ! Amen.​


So the Gospel that Paul preached was not a gospel apart from Christ's, but Paul's and other apostolic New Covenant writings were the fulfillment of what Christ said in John 16.


Paul minces no words here when establishing the source for what he was teaching to the Galatians:


11 For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel. 12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it,

>>> but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. <<<

13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God violently and tried to destroy it. 14 And I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people, so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers. 15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace, 16

>>> was pleased to reveal his Son to me, <<<

in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with anyone; 17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me, but I went away into Arabia, and returned again to Damascus. (from Gal. 1)


One thing to note here, as well, is that Jesus said that the Spirit of Truth would point to and glorify Christ - not to point to and glorify the Law, but to Christ, which is what Paul and the other apostles do all throughout the New Covenant Scriptures.

God was no longer relating to mankind - nor was He desiring mankind to relate to Him - through the Law, but through the Work and Person of God in the flesh, Christ Jesus.

So Paul (and the others) were not writing their own 'gospels'; they were carrying out the fulfillment of Jesus' words in John 16 - they were receiving that further information that could be understood on the side of the Cross where they now lived and we do too - revealing what was actually accomplished at the Cross, the Resurrection, the Ascension, and with the High Priesthood of Christ - and writing it down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

(I found the photo at a pro-Islam think tank site, btw. Funny, they use the same arguments that HRMers tend to use!)

Grace and peace to you in our Lord, Jesus Christ!

-JGIG
 

Shamah

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I see you readily make youself an opponet of what the Mesiah taught...

As often happens here at the BDF on CC, this thread has lost sight of the OP, so here it is again:

Originally Posted by JGIG

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Christ's Gospel? Paul's Gospel?




Are they different? Or are they complementary? Is Paul's Gospel 'his', or is it God's Gospel embraced by him? Are Paul's (and the other apostolic writings in the New Covenant Scriptures) what Jesus alluded to in John 16?

I was asked this question in an email recently:


"Another question, some at hrm [Hebrew Roots Movement/Torah pursuant folks] say there is the gospel of Jesus vs the gospel of Paul. Basically they teach that Paul wrote his own gospel even though Jesus clearly stated after his death burial and resurrection there would be more to come(information)."


My response:
That's a great question! In John 16, Jesus says this:


12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you. -JGIG



The coming information after His ascention is:

Revelation 1:1-3,1 Revelation of יהושע Messiah, which Elohim gave Him to show His servants what has to take place with speed. And He signified it by sending His messenger to His servant Yoḥanan,"2 who bore witness to the Word of Elohim, and the witness of יהושע Messiah – to all he saw."3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and guard what is written in it, for the time is near."
John/Yahanan 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."


John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 –poimén)."


Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”


John/Yahanan 5:39, “You search the Scriptures, because you think you possess everlasting life in them. And these are the ones that bear witness of Me.”


John/Yahanan 14:26, “But the Comforter; the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you.”
 

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FOr the MEssiah IS THE SENT ONE:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 8:17-18, “In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two people is valid. I am testifying about myself, and the Father who sent me is testifying about me.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 5:31-32, “If I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is not trustworthy. There is another who testifies about me, and I know that the testimony he gives about me is true.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 7:16-17, “Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority.”





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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 7:37-38, “This is the Mosheh who said to the children of Yisra’yl, ‘יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear.’ This is he who was in the assembly in the wilderness with the Messenger who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers, who received the living Words to give to us.”[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

*Mosheh wrote:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, “I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it.”

"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַע[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey[/FONT][/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘[/FONT]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”[/FONT][/FONT]

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