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  1. Enow's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by CherieR
    The church should treat people who are transgender with love and acceptance. They are not likely to come to Jesus unless we show them the love of Christ. We are not to condemn them. After all, Jesus did not come into the world to condemn it but rather to save. See John 3:17. We don't have to approve of their actions, but we are to love them.
    I am not sure how anyone could find out that one is a transgender unless the person said so. Then you have to wonder and discern why the person is making a point of it.

    Ask the question if that person believes in Jesus Christ to be saved. If yes, then ask why the person is changing the sexual identity.

    One girls says because boys would not let her play with them and so she came home and declared to her parents that she is a boy. That is not a valid reason to change one gender.

    Some will come up with personal reasons but the Lord will have to guide the believer into discerning if the person is going by feelings which can change with the wind or a fantasy motivated by the love of the world in the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye and the pride of life in which case, the person needs to be aware of that sin for that person to ask Jesus to deliver that person from that sin and be the sex that God had originally made that person to be.

    Now unisex where one is born with two sexual organs is a different story, but no transgender can use that as an excuse when that person was not born with 2 sexes. They need Jesus Christ for help to deliver them from these "feelings" as gays and fornicators and adulterers and masturbaters do too and trust Him to help them think on good things and set their hopes on above and not for the things of this world which is passing away on earth.
  2. Ahwatukee's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by CherieR
    The church should treat people who are transgender with love and acceptance. They are not likely to come to Jesus unless we show them the love of Christ. We are not to condemn them. After all, Jesus did not come into the world to condemn it but rather to save. See John 3:17. We don't have to approve of their actions, but we are to love them.
    Hello ChirieR,

    Agreed! How else can they come to Christ unless they hear to gospel. However, the problem that we have today is that, those who are living same-sex life styles, for the most part, have justified and embraced same-sex life styles and do not see it as sin and therefore have no intention of repenting.

    The problem then is that we have so-called churches with those willfully living same-sex life styles with no intention to repent. At what point do we draw the line? We certainly can't have fellowship with those who continue in it, for we would be sending a message that there is nothing wrong with that life style.

    Paul wrote a letter to the church in Corinth referring to a man in their fellowship who was having sexual relations with his step mother, of whom Paul said they were proud of. He said further, "should you have not put this man out of your fellowship?"

    When we come to Christ repentance is required. Again, the problem here is these people having no intention of repenting, but continuing in this practice. We should continue make known to them that those who continue willfully living according to the sinful nature will not inherit the kingdom of God. And that goes for anyone who is willfully living according to the sinful nature period.
  3. 88's Avatar
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    Jesus was actually saying that those who are sinless or have never sinned (greek---amamartetos---Strong's Concordance #361) to cast the first stone***since we have all sinned we should not cast stones but rather preach Grace and Forgiveness to those in the Gay Lifestyle***We do not accept or tolerate sin but, also we do not hate the sinner***only the Sinless One (Jesus) could have stone her in that circumstance...
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    Hi jonathan. Nice to meet you thru ur blog post.
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    love quote "gay"people(I say quote because this is a man made word it isn't in God's word)yes, accept their ways no,and none are without sin today,we can strive for perfection,but there are neither perfect nor good,no not one,but back to the question at hand if quote "gay" people are willing to "hear" God's word,and "learn" God's word then it is alright for them to be in a church,but if not then it leads to "chaos" because if anyone comes to God's house to neither "hear" or "learn"'God's word then they shall not change from their ways nor will God gain an ally,so thus tis best to have them leave for what use is one whom will not even "try" to do right for God,they are of no use to God,and can serve only to trouble and confound the church,which God would not tolerate nor should we,and this is not only true with quote "gay " people but,all those who sinfully pretend as if they come to God's house for the right reasons,particularly to either try to justify their "ways"'or simply to keep up appearances,so as to try to convince others that they do for God,God does not tolerate such foolishness,for as paul put it"God is the God of peace not of confusion" so yes we are to help and care for "All" the lost and wicked,but we must be aware of and be ready to counter their snares and traps,not go and let them make God's house into some sort of sinful playground nor for that matter anyone's house who is a devout servant of God!
  6. Socreta93's Avatar
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    We should welcome them and show them the true love of Christ. If all we do is judge them condemn them then they most likely would not come to Christ. Why would they want to be part of something they perceive as hateful? We should love them and welcome at the same time showing them their way of life is wrong
  7. CherieR's Avatar
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    I don't think that is what Jesus means...Consider Romans 14:1-4: As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. These verses are clearly speaking to believers in Jesus. Now translate this verse to other areas like how a person dresses or what music a person listens to. Consider this also, Jesus says nothing about if you believe in me you can judge people all you want. Jesus does not say that.Consider also what a poor witness it is to non-Christians if we are judging others without taking a good look at ourselves. That type of judging is hypocritical. Consider also Romans 2:21-23: you then who teach others, do you not teach yourself? While you preach against stealing, do you steal? You who say that one must not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? You who boast in the law dishonor God by breaking the law.
  8. CherieR's Avatar
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    The church should treat people who are transgender with love and acceptance. They are not likely to come to Jesus unless we show them the love of Christ. We are not to condemn them. After all, Jesus did not come into the world to condemn it but rather to save. See John 3:17. We don't have to approve of their actions, but we are to love them.
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    well I want to say no, but if my life was in danger I got no clue what I would do. I havn't been in that situation. Hopefully never will.
    Updated 1 Day Ago at 12:31 PM by Haaky
  10. Ugly's Avatar
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    Funny. When I've questioned or called you out on things you just make negative, indirect references to me in future threads. Or that one time you blatantly criticized me soon guess this judging others thing only works if you are the one judging others? Since you certainly don't seem to appreciate being questioned about anything you say without taking it poorly. I have yet to see you respond with an open mind. Hmm. You have something in your eye...
  11. Blain's Avatar
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    I just want to clarify that I normally love your posts you tend to show a lot of wisdom and insight in them but I greatly disagree with the idea and belief that the gays are demon possessed and in all honesty I may have responded a bit too hostile and for that I apologize, I tend to get angrily protective over others being attacked or falsely accused and sometimes I tend to go overboard.

    I admit that I could have responded much better and that I was at fault of being too rude and hostile in my responses to you, And while I still greatly disagree with the possession of the gays I think this is the time to shake the dust off my feet and walk away as I do not trust myself to not react in that way again.

    But I do respect you and find you to be one of the well ones here in the forums
  12. Gabriel2020's Avatar
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    Abominations, Mr. Blain. Things that destroy the soul. coffee goes in and goes out temperal. has nothing to do with coffee.
  13. CherieR's Avatar
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    Whether someone is a true believer in Jesus or not is not for us to decide. Ultimately God knows the heart. Let him be the judge. Just because people have what one believes as worldly talk or idle talk, that does not mean they are not Christians. Who are we to judge who is and is not Christian? Only God knows the heart.

    Now if someone is denying that Jesus rose from the dead for instance, we know the person is not Christian. However if someone is for instance gossiping about someone or people are backbiting one another, we should not say because they are doing these things, they are not Christians. No, we are all sinners and we will all sin. And if someone is living in sin for a while that doesn't mean that they have not received Jesus into their hearts. They might be losing reward in heaven though. In the end, God is the judge not us.

    Jesus has said " Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." See Matthew 7:1-2. Be careful that you are not looking at other people's sin without considering your own sin. Jesus speaks against this in Matthew 7:3-5. I don't think you are going to get booted and I really don't think you should get booted. You are simply stating your beliefs just as I am stating mine. Difference of opinions makes way for hopefully but not always healthy debate.
  14. Blain's Avatar
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    For the record Simply because I have much to say doesn't make me wrong but I wanted to also clarify that I do not only know of the demons that manifest themselves I myself have been attacked by unseen demons having a vicious anger towards someone that is un natural for me. I am not an angry person I rarely ever get angry and when I do it certainly isn't to this degree that I experienced
    I actually imagined beating the life out of this person I was angry at and what scared me was that I was soooo happy imagining doing this to this person I would be blind if i didn't know that was a demonic attack, however demon possession is not the same as demonic attacks, to possess a person the demon owns them that is the definition of possession and having sexual desires towards the same sex is in fact an abomination to God but so is sin in general. Some of the gays truly want to stop their sexual desires but sometimes God allows certain thorn in our sides for his purpose.

    I myself have a severe caffeine addiction for many years I have asked God to cure me of the chains I bear with this however he has yet to do so, now according to you if I am understanding you correctly I am demon possessed.
  15. KALYNA18's Avatar
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    A true movie "beyond the blackboard. desensitization: defined as the diminished emotional response. It means nothing to some, to go alter the plans of God, and put his creation into the trash can. Abortions, are nothing anymore, in meanings. Yet some religions stand their ground that it is against the authority of God's will, and it is attacking a helpless life, that was waiting to be born. A little child shall lead them. {Isaiah 11:6} a little child shall lead them.

    If you read this chapter, how a wolf and a lamb shall dwell in peace together, and a little child shall lead them.

    Yet, the human spirit, would take the decision on to tear apart a living life.

    Judgment is a plague, it said in the news, that the opiod epidemic has fallen upon
    like a plaque, it stated this.

    Deuteronomy 19:10

    That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which the Lord God giveth thee and so blood be upon thee.

    This movie is a soul touching, stirring, love.,,,

    Not about abortions, but about the homeless, and the children who they chose to give life to, who now live and love.....Love is the greatest, it starts with a seed, of faith from the heart of God.
    Updated 2 Days Ago at 09:47 PM by KALYNA18
  16. Gabriel2020's Avatar
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    You people are puffed up with pride and unlearned. And dont want to admit it. Think you smart huh. Well god will show you
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    Blain , a man with many words are uncertain of himself. sickness is part of the body that came with man's fall. Demon possession came with Satan's fall. Demon possession comes in many ways. some are hidden and will show off around certain people at certain times. I have had demons zooming past me in rooms, I have had demons hoovering over me trying to snuff the life out of me.,and I could not move.I've seen all of this. I've seen a demon jump from one person to another right before my eyes.You only know about the ones that manifest themselves, the ones you can see. not the ones that is working undercover right before your eyes. having people doing thing and saying things that is not Godly. there is a website that list many demons. A person that is caught up in something that they cannot break away from ,has a demon. a believer is going to see them, and recognize them,and I know them when Isee them and their activity.
    Updated 2 Days Ago at 03:52 PM by Gabriel2020
  18. Blain's Avatar
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    Gabriel let me ask you this, if a person has an lust addiction and yet they are seeking after god the best the can does that mean they are demon possessed? Or if say a person has a sickness and no matter how much they pray for healing they are still not healed of their affliction does this also mean they are demon possessed?

    You claim to have been taught by the best spirit filled teachers and have been spirit filled since 1985 yet you do not have the discernment to be able to know the difference between a demon possessed person and a person haunted by their demons? You say that a gay cannot honestly seek Gods word and this too is ignorant as I have helped many gays in learning the word of God and some of them have even more insight in some of it than I do now.

    You cannot speak of what you do not know, you know what you think you know from your beliefs and what you were taught I know what I know from experience and from God using me to help guide and teach such people. I am not unaware of theses spiritual matters, yes there are demons of lust and of abomination and of all kinds however there is a vast difference between being attacked and haunted by such demonic influences and being possessed by one.

    You claim to know how the spiritual world works and yet you teach in ignorance and in judgement against the kind of people who more than most need to know God's love and just wish they could belong, that they can be accepted and that they are good enough. You being saved as long as you have more than anyone should know all of this, you who claim to be taught by the best spirit filled teachers more than anyone should know this stuff.

    And yet you have to be corrected by a babe in Christ like me who has only been saved for five years and you have to be corrected by others who might not even walk in the realm of the spiritual and yet have the discernment you lack. Tell me Gabriel what do you really know about demons? Have had to actually do spiritual warfare against them? have you ever had a demon appear to you wanted to shred you apart and the only thing that saved you was the name of Jesus Christ?

    Have you ever had a demon looming over you while you are in bed unable to move while it viciously and angrily screams and shouts and curses at you all the while doing everything you can just to move your tongue tied tongue to command in the name of Jesus Christ for this thing to leave? You think that demons are simply a spirit that dwells inside a person completely unaware of it doing so? No, demons are vicious and are extremely hateful and furious all the time they hate us even the ones who aren't saved, if you are possessed by one trust me you will know.
  19. CherieR's Avatar
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    Everyone can be hypocrites sometimes. A hypocrite says don't do this and does it or do this and doesn't do it themselves. Christian might not practice hypocrisy but still sometimes act like hypocrites. Other Christians might act like hypocrites on a regular basis but think they are doing just fine. I don't think many people, Christian or not, actually intentionally try to act like hypocrites. Keep in mind we are not saved by works but by grace through faith in Jesus.
    Updated 2 Days Ago at 01:49 PM by CherieR
  20. Enow's Avatar
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    Believers may not be so inclined to surrender when family members are also at stake, even more especially when there is a family member that does not believe in Him yet.

    I doubt any one can really claim what they will do unless they boast in the Lord as their Good Shepherd that He will help them give up their lives if need be when it is time for them to die for Him, regardless of the unbelieving family member. The Lord will help them to leave that unbelieving family member in His hands. It may be by how they face death, the unbelieving family member may finally believe in Him and be saved.

    I boast in Him as my Good Shepherd and I trust Him to help me to face death and even moreso.. to forgive those that are about to kill me for they know not the Father nor Jesus.
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