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Is Obedience Really "Works"? The Answer May Shock You!

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Recently, I engaged in a conversation with someone who believes that a person can remain righteous while commiting acts of unrighteousness. They went on to state that it is faith, not "works", which saves and that obedience to the Word of God is not required for salvation. I then presented the following "parable", which I had written some time ago, then asked a question.

Let's say you were drowning in rough seas. A captain of a nearby boat sees you struggling, rushes over, and pulls you out of the water. He then cleans you up, gives you a change of clothes, and allows you stay in his personal quarters, eating from his own table. He also instructs you to stay off the deck because it is very possible that the waves could pull you back into the water where you could drown.
You are now faced with three options:

#1. Trust the Captain and stay inside the boat, no self effort involved.
#2. Ignore the Captain, and jump back into dangerous waters where you will probably die.
#3. Flirt with disaster by going on deck on assuming that, if you do fall in, the captain will be there to rescue you, time and time again.

Now, common sense tells you that the easiest and safest option is to stay inside the boat. Biblical faith works similarly. Jesus saves us and accepts us into His Presence, which is life in the (Holy) Spirit. He then warns us to avoid temptation because to indulge in sin is to venture outside of His Presence.

However, in regards to salvation, most believers choose the equivalent of option #3. They go about living their lives with little regard to what the Bible says about the dangers of sin, assuming that God will be there to bail them out of trouble, again & again. Christ's primary role in daily their lives is that of a life preserver, needed only in emergencies.

True, biblical faith not only saves us but it also empowers us to live righteous, holy lives (2nd Peter 1:2-11). Yet, in order to avoid works of unrighteousness, today and each day after, we must walk in the Spirit for the (Holy) Spirit of Christ, Himself, is our (the gift of) righteousness (1 John 2:29, Ephesians 5:9, Galatians 5:16).

1st John 3: 5-7 ~ "This is the message [of God’s promised revelation] which we have heard from Him and now announce to you, that God is Light [He is holy, His message is truthful, He is perfect in righteousness], and in Him there is no darkness at all [no sin, no wickedness, no imperfection]. If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness [of sin], we lie and do not practice the truth; but if we [really] walk in the Light [that is, live each and every day in conformity with the precepts of God], as He Himself is in the Light, we have [true, unbroken] fellowship with one another [He with us, and we with Him], and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin [by erasing the stain of sin, keeping us cleansed from sin in all its forms and manifestations]."

It is a matter of choice to walk daily in the presence of He who makes us both righteous and holy (1st Corinthians 10:13). A person need not do anything to remain righteous or holy other than rest in Christ, placing all trust in Him and His word (1 Corinthians 1:30). It's when we take our focus off of God and give into temptation, that we take matters into our own hands, which results in separation from God.

1 John 3:9-10a ~
"No one who is born of God [deliberately, knowingly, and habitually] practices sin, because God’s seed [His principle of life, the essence of His righteous character] remains [permanently] in him [who is born again—who is reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose]; and he [who is born again] cannot habitually [live a life characterized by] sin, because he is born of God and longs to please Him. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are clearly identified: anyone who does not practice righteousness [who does not seek God’s will in thought, action, and purpose] is not of God..."

Which brings me to my question(s):

Since when is it considered "works" not to do something? How is it that not participating in acts of unrighteousness is considered, by some, to be good works?

While abstaining from "works" of unrighteousness is indeed an "act" of faith, often times it is accomplished without any physical effort what so ever. It is an act of the will no different from faith itself. It is completely illogical to consider obedience to the word of God to be "good works" when, in most cases, such obedience is void of any self effort.

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Updated 1 Week Ago at 07:27 PM by Galatians2-20

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  1. Ugly's Avatar
    Same beating a dead horse topic that's been recycled countless times on here.
    BillG likes this.
  2. Galatians2-20's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ugly
    Same beating a dead horse topic that's been recycled countless times on here.
    A typical response from those who believe in OSAS that are unable to answer to my questions. Why not try to answer my questions instead of being critical?
    Updated 1 Week Ago at 05:50 PM by Galatians2-20
  3. BillG's Avatar
    And the same old arguements will persue from both sides.
    Just trying to prove others wrong and I'm right with no regard as to why genuine believers struggle with life a sin yet seek God for help.
  4. Galatians2-20's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by BillG
    And the same old arguements will persue from both sides.
    Just trying to prove others wrong and I'm right with no regard as to why genuine believers struggle with life a sin yet seek God for help.
    If you had actually read the blog, then you would have read it states that walking in the Spirit on a daily basis is God's recipe on how to live a holy life.

    2 Peter 1:2-11, 1st Corinthians 10:13, Galatians 5:16

    Would you at least attempt to answer my question?
    Updated 1 Week Ago at 04:40 PM by Galatians2-20
  5. BillG's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by BillG
    And the same old arguements will persue from both sides.
    Just trying to prove others wrong and I'm right with no regard as to why genuine believers struggle with life a sin yet seek God for help.
    If I am wrong then please correct me.

    You do not want to engage. Your blog heading suggests that.
    Just imposition on your part.
  6. Galatians2-20's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by BillG
    If I am wrong then please correct me.

    You do not want to engage. Your blog heading suggests that.
    Just imposition on your part.
    Apparently, you did not even read beyond the title. I did indeed engage by asking a couple of simple questions:

    Since when is it considered "works" not to do something?

    If you do not have an answer, why respond at all?
    Updated 1 Week Ago at 05:16 PM by Galatians2-20
  7. Galatians2-20's Avatar
    Until you have a rebuttal, thus answering my questions, there is no reason for you to respond.
  8. BillG's Avatar
    To be honest your post line does not come accross as a question but as a statement. OSAS is a fallacy.

    If it was a question it would end with ?

    I agree with you that walking daily in the Holy Spirit is hiw God wants us to walk.

    Thats why we have the Holy Spirit in us.

    So to me to be honest you haven't asked a question you are trying to say OSAS is a fallacy.
  9. Galatians2-20's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by BillG
    To be honest your post line does not come accross as a question but as a statement. OSAS is a fallacy.

    If it was a question it would end with ?

    I agree with you that walking daily in the Holy Spirit is hiw God wants us to walk.

    Thats why we have the Holy Spirit in us.

    So to me to be honest you haven't asked a question you are trying to say OSAS is a fallacy.
    I took the liberty of isolating my questions in a separate paragraph. The are italicized so that they can be easily spotted. Feel free to try to answer.
  10. BillG's Avatar
    Can't see it on my IPad, the italicised.
  11. Galatians2-20's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by BillG
    Can't see it on my IPad, the italicised.
    You do realize that, if you had read the entire blog, you would already know that they appear near the end.

    Anyhow, I took your comment into consideration and, in an act of good faith and out of respect, I changed the title.

    I would like to challenge you to really think about my questions and provide an answer, if possible. Feel free to present to other believers in OSAS, even your pastor, and ask them for answer. I'm interested in reading a legitimate, respectful rebuttal.
    Updated 1 Week Ago at 05:13 PM by Galatians2-20
  12. BillG's Avatar
    Hi mate,

    Sorry I have not back to you.
    Thanks for changing the title. To be honest I think it does make a difference.

    Anyway can you try and sum up in a nutshell what it is your are trying to say and what it is you want to discuss.

    I think I get what you are trying to say but don't want to assume
  13. BillG's Avatar
    Although having said that there is a thread on BDF "Not by works"
    Have you delved into it.
    I have so maybe if you get a chance then see if you can find what I have posted.