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sassylady

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Are you born again through the Blood of Jesus? That is the best step to take for all areas of life.

You cannot change her, you need to develop your relationship with the Lord and do as the Word commands for a husband. How she responds is not your problem, God will take care of it as long as you are close to Him and reacting as He would want you to.
 

Crimson_Lark

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Unfortunately I have had marital problems for quite a while and recently they have come to a head. my wife of twenty years has almost always talked negative about me to her family. she just cannot seem to be positive and support me as her husband. when confronted with this she says she just stating facts and really means no harm, but it does bother me and makes me wonder of her love for me. from the beginning she has been very controlling wanting to know every step I take. I do not believe in divorce nor want that. need some good sound advise .
I grew up with a woman like this in my life: constantly bad mouthing, controlling and (unlike your wife) divisive. You need to set boundaries and stand up for yourself. The question is what does that look like?

A book that helped me tremendously was the book Boundaries by Cloud and Townsend.

For me I had to limit contact, and directly counter the negative words. At times it was necessary for me to say: what you said isn't true and if you continue to speak this way to me, I will leave. Then I followed through.

In the beginning I clearly explained why I was setting boundaries. But nothing ever broke through to her mind or heart. The sad fact was other people in her life were enabling her bad behavior and she was use to getting away with it.

The good news is you are her husband and you have more power than you realize. Don't be passive and enable her sin.
Seek God. Read the book Boundaries. Find ways to actively stand up for yourself. It might be hard and uncomfortable at first, but you will find such a freedom and strength in valuing yourself the way God does. The reward will come.


 

presidente

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Unfortunately I have had marital problems for quite a while and recently they have come to a head. my wife of twenty years has almost always talked negative about me to her family. she just cannot seem to be positive and support me as her husband. when confronted with this she says she just stating facts and really means no harm, but it does bother me and makes me wonder of her love for me. from the beginning she has been very controlling wanting to know every step I take. I do not believe in divorce nor want that. need some good sound advise .
I can relate to some of your post. My wife has never been that negative all the time, but she's gone through seasons when she could be a bit like that. And some of it was made more intense by 'hormonal' stuff like PMS, pregnancy, and post partum blues.

One poster basically encouraged you to take charge of your home and the man. Of course, you should be in charge of your home. But that's not going to make your wife be less jealous. I suppose it's possible if you were a bit more 'alpha' you'd satisfy whatever your wife is complaining about, but my guess is there is a 1 in 100 chance that that would work. She probably has a problem with her mindset, looking at the negative, not being thankful for the positive, that sort of thing.

When my wife could be uber critical, at times it would be difficult. She'd want to tell me what she thought was wrong with me about bedtime when we went to bed late. She wouldn't say it once. She'd go on and on saying it in multiple ways. And often there wasn't any specific thing I could actually tell that was wrong with me to improve when she made a comment. One problem was when I was in grad school, and she thought there must be something wrong with me for God not to bless us, not enough specifics to do anything. It was a lot of negativity. And if I pointed that out, she thought of it as her trying to help me and me not appreciating it. That was the kind of conversation that might happen during her PMS when she got moody though. Thankfully, she wasn't like that all the time. But still it could be difficult to deal with. When she was pregnant once, the attitude went on for weeks.

But I have good news. That changed, and my wife's outlook has changed, too. What really helped was when God answered my prayers. She got upset over something really neutral and non-offensive that I said. I prayed for her that night and prayed a long list of things, asking the Lord to speak to her about these things, some I hadn't discussed with her. It included things like an unsubmissive attitude and praying out of I Peter 3, asking the Lord to show her how her dad and step mom interacting effected the way she thought it was normal for a husband and wife to interact, not letting the devil put wrong thoughts in her mind toward me (something I perceived had been happening), not being so negative in her attitude toward me thinking something was wrong with me.

A couple of nights later, my wife came home from a Bible study and said the Lord had spoken to her about some things. She went through my prayer list that I had prayed. Except the things she said the Lord showed her were really, really long compared to my short prayer. She repented of the way she saw me.

One thing she said to me was the Lord told her that some of the things she said to me damaged my spirit. I guess I let myself believe her when she said these things and it had hurt me.

When I prayed about these things, I told the Lord this was His daughter and I didn't believe it was His will for her to treat me this way. He wanted her to be holy in this area of her life. I laid out my argument that it was His will to transform my wife in these areas. And the Bible says whatever we ask according to His will, we know we have what we have asked for. I told Him I had prayed according to His will, and I knew that I would receive the answer to my prayer. I believed He would answer, and the answer came in two or three days or so, when she was at that Bible study.

I've also experienced that at other times where I'd prayed about things for a long time, but then I'd ask and just believe, and God would speak to my wife about what I'd asked.

My wife keeps getting better and better. She is more positive toward me, more supportive, more generous, more open. I feel like we are more of a Honeymoon couple than we have been for much of our marriage.
 

presidente

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Here are some other thoughts on how to deal with the criticism. Have you ever heard of the Eggerichs' book on Love and Respect? You could read that with your wife or try to find a church that has a Bible study program. It is really good for your situation. It explains how sometimes when women think they are helping or sharing their thoughts, the man takes it as disrespect. It would be good for your wife to see that, and to hear it from someone else. Sometimes hearing it from an expert helps convince someone.

If she's being hypercritical, don't take it to heart. If she yells or calls names, you can also disengage and say you are willing to talk when she is able to have a conversation calmly like an adult.

You need to hold her accountable about respect and submission. Some people say men shouldn't worry about that, that it is all on the woman. But the man is the head of the woman, and as a husband you want your house run well. You could also say it is up to the children to decide whether to obey the parents, but that would be a lousy method of running a home. Preachers apply servants obey your masters to the workplace and employment situations. Imagine a manager who let his employees decide to follow company policies and his own instructions without doing anything if they chose not to?

You need to create a situation which makes it easier for your wife to obey Christ. One aspect of obeying Christ is submitting to you and respecting you. Leviticus says to love your neighbor, not to despise your neighbor in your heart, but rebuke your neighbor frankly so that you do not share in his sin. This isn't really a part of American Christian culture very much, but the New Testament is full of instructions for believers to exhort and admonish one another. Jesus says that if your brother sins against you to tell him his fault between you and him alone (the firsts step.) As a believer, you are required to offer some correction if a fellow believer sins against you. That definitely applies to the husband and wife relationship. And as the husband, you have a household management responsibility and your wife is included in that. And you are the head of the wife.

I shouldn't have had to argue the case, but yes you do need to offer your wife some accountability on the respect issue. If she is a fellow believer, at least theoretically, you will have some common ground. I realize in today's day, there are plenty of people who call themselves Christian who will try to talk a woman out of the idea that she has to submit to or respect her husband. They'll jump to the most extreme case ("you don't have to obey him if he tells you to shoot children") or try to redefine the Greek words translated submission or respect/reverence. But hopefully, you can find common ground.

One thing to do, if you are both believers or if you are and she's okay with it, is to study the Bible regularly and pray with her. You can read through other books like Love and Respect, which may really help your marriage, in addition to Bible study. Certain passages will give you an opportunity to address marriage problems.

Let her know that you expect to be respected. It is your duty as a husband to hold her accountable on this issue just as you would if she were to go out and get drunk and drive home. Hopefully, you would admonish her if she did something like that. Well, if she isn't submissive and respectful to you, she's not being submissive and respectful to the Lord. She is to submit to you as unto the Lord. And if she is sinning in that area, it is actually against the Lord. The children of Israel complained about the manna after they ate it for a while. But they were actually complaining against the Lord, since that was the provision the Lord gave. You are the provision for your wife as a husband.

Hopefully, you can get her to 'buy in' on the idea that she needs to be respectful. Hopefully you can have a conversation where you point out some way in which she was disrespectful to you and she knows that is wrong. Let her know the types of behaviors you consider to be disrespectful, the types of things she says to your family, ignoring you while you are talking to her (in private, but especially in public), saying insulting words.

You also have to lead by example about insults of course. Jesus said that the one who called his brother Raca (translated 'worthless' by some) would be in danger of the council and the one who said 'thou fool' would be in danger of Hell fire. So saying angry insulting words is a serious thing for the Lord. So you have to both agree never to call the other stupid or dirty words. Fortunately, my wife and I have kept from that throughout our marriage.

Then your wife needs to know what kind of things are inappropriate for her to say about you around her family, jokes, insults, or whatever. She needs to respect you, and she need to do it in a way you consider respectful, not according to her own standard. If she disagrees with that concept, you could point out that she is also to submit to you, and as a matter of submission you ask her to treat you with a certain standard of respect.

Sometimes a submission, respect, etc. discussion goes nowhere. She refuses to talk, gets emotional, etc. You can still try when she's in a better mood. But if you reach an impasse, you can go to prayer and pray through the hardness and ask the Lord to go to work on her heart. The Love and Respect book may help if she won't listen to you. She may listen to others.
 

presidente

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For jealousy, I don't know a cure. Are you doing anything that could reasonably make her jealous? Do you ogle women or look at porn? Do you have close female friends? Do you stay out late at night with no explanation? If you don't do anything that might make a normal woman jealous, she may have a problem.

I knew a guy who said his first wife cheated on him, and when he remarried a really sweet girl, he kept suspecting her of cheating on him. He didn't have any evidence, but he was probably just wounded after the first marriage.

Did your wife have a boyfriend who cheated on her? Was there infidelity in her parents' marriage? Or was she raised without a father? I don't know a magic bullet to cure jealousy. You can continue to pray for her and with her about healing in this area.

You can also set a boundary where she knows she can't do crazy stuff like call you at work every minute or other behaviors that would threaten a normal life or hurt your relationship. You can reassure her of your love and faithfulness to her. Some of the things you just need to pray for her about and trust God. If you can get her praying with you so that she won't be jealous, that may open her up more to healing in this area.
 
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SouthwestSeeker

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I think presidente has given you the wisest answer so far. I know your pain, friend. I have been married for 35 years, and things are very difficult for me also. You have shown your commitment to this marriage by hanging in there for 20 years. Do you take time for yourself? Does she take time for herself? If you are trying to satisfy all of your emotional and social needs solely through her, you are burdening her with too much. I'm not saying you're to blame, but the first steps you want to take is to examine your own behavior. Do you give her reason to be so controlling?

There is a book, "Thriving Despite a Difficult Marriage" by Charles and Michael Misja, that I have found very helpful. It is written by and for Christians in our particular boat. As the title indicates, it is about accepting your marriage as it is, while cleaning up your own porch and keeping the doors open to a better relationship when and if she is ready to clean hers.

Someone else mentioned "Alpha" behavior. Interesting point. Does she attempt to steer you toward certain activities? Is it possible she wants you to become a little more exciting to her? For men, marriage is a balancing act of alpha and beta behavior. Too much of either can cause problems. One of my problems with my wife is that I have become a little too beta over the years, forcing her to take leadership when she doesn't really want to. Then I resent her for it, not thinking that it was my doing to begin with. Could this be the case for you also?
 

LRG

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No one should be in control. Love is not a power struggle.

One other poster mentioned narcissism and I tend to agree with that. If that is the case then you need to set strong boundaries with her and tell her and show her with actions that it is not acceptable to stab you in the back so to speak.

If she is not being narcissistic then the only other thing I can think of is that she is resentful for some reason and there are things bothering her that either weren't brought up and/or haven't been resolved.

Ask her directly what is bothering her about your relationship and then go from there.

Also regarding your vocation. I personally think unless you are doing something illegal, immoral or incredibly risky that she should allow you to lead in that area. It is not a matter of control but the husband is the head of the house and the provider so that should take precedence. My husband works a lot and I have learned to adjust. I would never tell him what job to take or not take. That is under his jurisdiction. Just like he wouldn't dare tell me what to cook or how to take care of the house because that is primarily my job. When the roles are defined and clear you shouldn't have these sorts of conflicts.

As long as your wife is provided for then you should do what you need to do to take care of her and the family.
 
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Michelleks

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Woman needs to feel loved. If a woman is negative, than she does not feel loved. There,s something wrong, and she does not know where is the solution, might be physically . Ask her, what you do, that make her feel not loved.love is cure.
 

LRG

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Woman needs to feel loved. If a woman is negative, than she does not feel loved. There,s something wrong, and she does not know where is the solution, might be physically . Ask her, what you do, that make her feel not loved.love is cure.
I totally agree with you. Good insight.
 

LRG

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Woman needs to feel loved. If a woman is negative, than she does not feel loved. There,s something wrong, and she does not know where is the solution, might be physically . Ask her, what you do, that make her feel not loved.love is cure.
Oops! I should have qualified my comment with as long as she is not a narcissist. Then that wouldn't apply. There is nothing you can do to please a narcissist.

But if she isn't one then your insight is probably right.
 

Patnubay

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Well you do not meet the qualifications necessary to be a pastor. You are required to have your house in order. To go ahead without God is not wise and will surely end in tears.

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Roger
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