Is It Wrong To Be Afraid of God?

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sassylady

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God is not angry with His people. Not always pleased with what we choose to do of course in some instances, but we were not created for His wrath. We do take the consequences of our actions when we refuse to obey. That does not mean He is angry with us.

I have a daughter who unfortunately due to the abuse of my ex husband, sees God as she saw her dad. One wrong move and you've had it. It has been many years of struggle for her to see God in a different way.

I often think we need to be more afraid of being away from God than of what we think we do wrong.
 
notuptome

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God is not angry with His children. Christ came to bring peace between us and our Father. Only those who continue to resist the salvation offered in Christ need fear the wrath of God.

For the Christian fear of God is reverential trust not terror.

For the cause of Christ
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psychomom

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i'm not afraid of God...He's my Dad. :)

i guess i was incredibly blessed with an earthly dad who was never the angry sort.
mind you, if we disobeyed we knew he wasn't happy about it, and there would be consequences,
but we still knew he loved us, no matter what.

so i thank our Father for my dad...miss him every day.

 
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Jamal

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notuptome said:
God is not angry with His children.
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You might try reading the Old Testament one of these days. Or, even the New Testament.

2 Chronicles 29:10: “Now it is in my heart to make a covenant with the Lord God of Israel, that His fierce wrath may turn away from us”
 
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psychomom

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Jamal said:
You might try reading the Old Testament one of these days. Or, even the New Testament.

2 Chronicles 29:10: “Now it is in my heart to make a covenant with the Lord God of Israel, that His fierce wrath may turn away from us”
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Jamal, most respectfully i say the wrath due us for our sin was taken by the Lord Jesus...
all totally paid for by Him in what He did to save sinners like me.

see the first part of the verse you quoted...we are in Covenant with the Lord God,
provided fully by Him, minus our merit.
and in that blessed Covenant, God's fierce and righteous wrath has been turned away from us...

those in Christ have nothing to fear.
no wrath remains for God's own. ♥

 
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MidniteWelder

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I have lived not in fear of animal, nature, or Man.
But the day I feared God... I was humbled.
If I had no reason to fear God, what would stop me.

Psalm 34
7The angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear him,
and he delivers them.
 
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Jamal

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There are numerous verses teaching the appropriateness of the fear God, for Christians. See my post #10 for a couple of examples. I know of no verses that teach anything to the contrary. That should settle this, for those of us who believe the Bible. BTW, it is fear of God that makes me want to get the Bible right, rather than to allow myself to impose something unbiblical on the Bible.






psychomom said:
Jamal, most respectfully i say the wrath due us for our sin was taken by the Lord Jesus...
all totally paid for by Him in what He did to save sinners like me.

see the first part of the verse you quoted...we are in Covenant with the Lord God,
provided fully by Him, minus our merit.
and in that blessed Covenant, God's fierce and righteous wrath has been turned away from us...

those in Christ have nothing to fear.
no wrath remains for God's own. ♥
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notuptome

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Jamal said:
There are numerous verses teaching the appropriateness of the fear God, for Christians. See my post #10 for a couple of examples. I know of no verses that teach anything to the contrary. That should settle this, for those of us who believe the Bible. BTW, it is fear of God that makes me want to get the Bible right, rather than to allow myself to impose something unbiblical on the Bible.

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Perfect love casteth out fear. We fear God as in reverential trust we are not terrorized by God. Believers are not appointed unto wrath.
1 John 4:18

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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LRG

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Yes, it is wrong to be afraid of God if you are a believer and belong to him. If you are not saved then you should be afraid of him because you are still under condemnation. But if you are in Christ Jesus then you are no longer under condemnation since you belong to him and have passed from death to life.

Fear involves punishment and there is no fear in love. God is love and being saved is a reconciled relationship with your creator. It is a love based relationship and not one based on fear. God is not an abusive parent. God works all things together for your good if you love him and belong to him. God wants what is best for you in the eternal sense and if need be he will discipline you to correct you but not punish you in the same sense as what the unbeliever will experience after the Great White Throne judgment.

So perhaps you are confusing human abusive parents with God. You should always respect God and his authority since he is the creator and you are just the creation but you should not fear God in the sense of impending doom and punishment. You have to love God and trust him and feel safe enough to want to draw near to him so he can draw near to you. How can you really trust God and love him on a deep level if you have this fear in the way?
 
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Jamal

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Nothing in that verse says Christians shouldn't have a fear of God, at least before your love is perfect. It's interesting that some Christians have almost a perverse fetish for insisting they're imperfect sinners, yet they'll still quote "Perfect love casts out fear" as justification for not fearing God. The only people in the Bible who are identified as having no fear of God are the wicked, e.g. Romans 3:18 "There is no fear of God before their eyes" in regards to the unsaved or wicked. As for those belonging to God, 2 Corinthians 11 "Therefore, knowing the fear of the Lord, we persuade others. But what we are is known to God, and I hope it is known also to your conscience." The righteous are never identified as having no fear of God.


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Perfect love casteth out fear. We fear God as in reverential trust we are not terrorized by God. Believers are not appointed unto wrath.
1 John 4:18

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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psychomom

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Jamal said:
There are numerous verses teaching the appropriateness of the fear God, for Christians. See my post #10 for a couple of examples. I know of no verses that teach anything to the contrary. That should settle this, for those of us who believe the Bible. BTW, it is fear of God that makes me want to get the Bible right, rather than to allow myself to impose something unbiblical on the Bible.

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okaayyy...but i was responding to your quoting of 2 Chron 29:10

are you saying God's wrath resides on believers? :confused:
 
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psychomom

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Jamal said:
God can be angry with his people.
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Rom 5:9
Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

1 Thes 1:9-10
For they themselves report about us what kind of a reception we had with you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve a living and true God,
and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath to come.

1 Thes 5:9
For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ

as believers, we ought to be very respectful of God's majesty, power, and holiness.
but please will you show me a NT verse that states God is angry with those in Christ?

thanks for your patience.


 
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Jamal

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"Then the anger of the LORD was kindled against his people" - Psalm 106:40a

There you have a verse that directly says God can be angry at his people. All those verses you quoted say is that Christians will be saved from God's final judgement, not that God isn't ever angry at his people.

psychomom said:
Rom 5:9
Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

1 Thes 1:9-10
For they themselves report about us what kind of a reception we had with you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve a living and true God,
and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath to come.

1 Thes 5:9
For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ

as believers, we ought to be very respectful of God's majesty, power, and holiness.
but please will you show me a NT verse that states God is angry with those in Christ?

thanks for your patience.
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LRG

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Jamal said:
"Then the anger of the LORD was kindled against his people" - Psalm 106:40a

There you have a verse that directly says God can be angry at his people. All those verses you quoted say is that Christians will be saved from God's final judgement, not that God isn't ever angry at his people.
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You seem to be confusing fear as in fear of punishment as in Hell and fear as in reverence and respect as in understanding the relationship between the creator and the creation.

Old Testament verses don't apply since they are referring to Israel and the Old Covenant. The New Covenant replaced the Old Covenant.

Those that are bought by Christ's blood are considered children of God and have been reconciled to him. So it is a heavenly father and child relationship. God will discipline but it is done out of love. You can grieve the Holy Spirit but you are still saved and no longer under God's wrath. You are no longer God's enemy but his child.
 
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MidniteWelder

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T'was Grace that taught my heart to fear
...Then Grace my fears relieved.
 
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MisterHarmony

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There is great value in fearing God. It strongly compels you to serve Him in love and obedience. Isn't it true Noah was filled with Divine fear so strong, he had the motivation to build the Ark. The fear of the Lord moves you to do works for His Glory. He is worthy to fear, He who loves the righteous and unrighteous.
 
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Jamal

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LRG said:
You seem to be confusing fear as in fear of punishment as in Hell and fear as in reverence and respect
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I don't believe in redefining words just because the Bible says something I don't like or understand.

Old Testament verses don't apply since they are referring to Israel and the Old Covenant. The New Covenant replaced the Old Covenant.[/quote

The New Testament tells us over and over to fear God, and it doesn't mean Reverence and Respect. It's not reverence and respect to redefine words in the Bible. Or to wear blue jeans to church. So, I'm not even sure now these non-fearing God-fearing people are being fearful in the way of being reverentful and respectful. Love may be slow to anger, but love can still get angry.
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pastac

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Yet you frequently impose your twisted views upon others who don't agree with your approach. How does that work really Jamal?
Jamal said:
There are numerous verses teaching the appropriateness of the fear God, for Christians. See my post #10 for a couple of examples. I know of no verses that teach anything to the contrary. That should settle this, for those of us who believe the Bible. BTW, it is fear of God that makes me want to get the Bible right, rather than to allow myself to impose something unbiblical on the Bible.

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pastac

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So let me get this right blue jeans at church is a sinful act of some sort? What am I missing. I surely don't want to imply. Be clear for me. Fearing God doesn't mean reverence or respect??
Jamal you have need to be taught instead of teaching you harp on theological training in a formal setting I sure would not want to attend your school of theology. I ask you to slow down and just look at your approach this is from a man who's zeal is sometimes misinterpreted as well but at least I can admit its zeal and enthusiasm and nothing more. In your case it seems to be something more. Speaking for God or our Lord means you speak with authority and that you consider who you are speaking to.
Meat is for them who eat meat! Most are not meat eaters and if so they are used to even that being chewed for them by someone. Just my observation after 20 years of ministry.
Jamal said:
I don't believe in redefining words just because the Bible says something I don't like or understand.

Old Testament verses don't apply since they are referring to Israel and the Old Covenant. The New Covenant replaced the Old Covenant.[/quote

The New Testament tells us over and over to fear God, and it doesn't mean Reverence and Respect. It's not reverence and respect to redefine words in the Bible. Or to wear blue jeans to church. So, I'm not even sure now these non-fearing God-fearing people are being fearful in the way of being reverentful and respectful. Love may be slow to anger, but love can still get angry.
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