Contraception

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Matt1626

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If I was using the bible literally there is no way one should use any form of contraception

genesis ( fruitful and multiply)
genesis 38 Onan killed by God

I also see the strongest argument against gay so called marriage is that marriage is for the the marital. act to reproduce not being distorted by any means.


I believe no Christian should use any birth control and this was universally agreed by all Christians less than 100 years ago all the way back to Jewish times before jesus
 
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Matt1626 said:
If I was using the bible literally there is no way one should use any form of contraception

genesis ( fruitful and multiply)
genesis 38 Onan killed by God

I also see the strongest argument against gay so called marriage is that marriage is for the the marital. act to reproduce not being distorted by any means.


I believe no Christian should use any birth control and this was universally agreed by all Christians less than 100 years ago all the way back to Jewish times before jesus
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The story of Onan has far less to do with birth control, than it does with just disobeying God.

And while it does say be fruitful and multiply, I highly doubt it is to be done with reckless abandon and responsible sex a.k.a contraception in a marriage can easily prevent unwanted births. Not to mentions the variety of sex witihin a marriage that can occur with no possibility of conception.

And if you think marriage is only for procreation, i do believe youre missing the most important parts of marriage.
 
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TRUE, but humans are humans. God knew everything that we are going to do from the day he created us until we finally meet him. So saying no Christians should use any birth control is true, but God knew what he was doing and in a way. Just laugh about it and said

"Well....Jesus, Holy Spirit, They are going to do ALOT of things we don't like. Should we go ahead with the plan?"

I bet Jesus would say something like this "Sure why not? what the point of being a God if your people do not have free will to do things that go against what u say?"

and the Holy Spirit would say something like this ".................."

God will finally respond and say "Fine, as long as you two are going to help me with them. I'm fine with the plan"

To sum things up. HERE WE ARE. THEIR PLANS WERE SPOT ON.
 
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The Onan story is told because it was a direct disobedience from God for Onan to fulfill his Leverite vow...it has nothing to do with contraception at all. Read up on the Leverite law and see its purpose.
 
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Matt1626 said:
If I was using the bible literally there is no way one should use any form of contraception

genesis ( fruitful and multiply)
genesis 38 Onan killed by God

I also see the strongest argument against gay so called marriage is that marriage is for the the marital. act to reproduce not being distorted by any means.


I believe no Christian should use any birth control and this was universally agreed by all Christians less than 100 years ago all the way back to Jewish times before jesus
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Be fruitful and multiply doesn't imply contraception should not be used. You can use it and every now and the. Try for a baby
 
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Matt1626

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Sounds like many people here are not letting how many children you have be in Gods hands
 
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maybe you should realize some people just have no desire to have children. Doesnt mean they shouldnt get married, or listen to your opinions and risk having children forced upon them. Because if youre against contraception, i know youre against abortion. so I guess people who dont want to be parents can either use protection or get an abortion. One ends a life, and one just stops the possibility of life. Seems like one is the far more intelligent choice.
 
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Matt1626

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Nautilus said:
maybe you should realize some people just have no desire to have children. Doesnt mean they shouldnt get married, or listen to your opinions and risk having children forced upon them. Because if youre against contraception, i know youre against abortion. so I guess people who dont want to be parents can either use protection or get an abortion. One ends a life, and one just stops the possibility of life. Seems like one is the far more intelligent choice.
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Abstinence within marriage in 100% effective
natural family planning is 95% effective better than birth control
 
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Matt1626

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A major reason my marriage has lasted is we stopped using contraception three years ago and I stopped treating my wife like an object just to please me because we had to wait
 
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Matt1626 said:
Abstinence within marriage in 100% effective
natural family planning is 95% effective better than birth control
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abstinence in marriage? Thats ridiculous. Might as well just stay boyfriend and girlfriend then. Like seriously who is going to get married then give up the sex part just to avoid children? simple solution use contraceptives to prevent children instead of the morbidly legalistic and archaic line of thinking.

I'd like to see your research proving that 95% number as well.
 
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Matt1626

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Nautilus said:
abstinence in marriage? Thats ridiculous. Might as well just stay boyfriend and girlfriend then. Like seriously who is going to get married then give up the sex part just to avoid children? simple solution use contraceptives to prevent children instead of the morbidly legalistic and archaic line of thinking.

I'd like to see your research proving that 95% number as well.
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below is the link, this is just one of many studies,

my wife and I had to go without once for over 6 months because she had surgery, I would be willing to go for ever if she medically couldn't.

my grandfather couldn't once for 3 years with my grandmother he told me because she had very bad cancer.



Natural Family Planning - the Standard Days Method
 
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Matt1626 said:
Sounds like many people here are not letting how many children you have be in Gods hands
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You say this about contraception but it would also apply to abstinence as well.

People who use protection are trying not to have children. People who refrain from having sex are also trying not to have children. They're both two different means for the same goal. So, according to your logic, abstinence is also "not leaving how many children you have in God's hands".

Abstinence within marriage in 100% effective
natural family planning is 95% effective better than birth control
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Birth Control is ~99% effective. But why should effectiveness even matter?

You later state that you're relying on the natural family planning method. Why? By avoiding sex on certain days of the month, are you not attempting to place whether or not you have a child in your own hands instead of the hands of God? How is that any different from using protection?
 
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Sigh what junky denomination taught you all this nonsense?
 
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Funny thing is, it wasn't until the turn of the 20th century that suddenly the churches across America began to accept contraception. Though most of the hardliners still don't approve.
 
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Matt1626

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The biggest reason we don't use contraception is most forms are actually abortion inducing such as the pill and iud,

I can say and I don't know why but my wife is much more interested in me since we stopped using contraception
 
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Matt1626

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All and I mean all Christians denounced it until 1930 when the Anglicans were the first to endorse it and look at them now
 
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ThomistColin said:
Funny thing is, it wasn't until the turn of the 20th century that suddenly the churches across America began to accept contraception. Though most of the hardliners still don't approve.
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Until the turn of the 20th century there probably werent many options. Lambskin condoms? I cant think of many more.
 
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Nautilus said:
Until the turn of the 20th century there probably werent many options. Lambskin condoms? I cant think of many more.
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Interrupting the act, ending the act without intent for the possibility of new life
 
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Interrupting the act, ending the act without intent for the possibility of new life
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Those aren't examples of contraception. Its called gambling. Unless youre purposefully avoiding intercourse that results in pregnancy contraception is the best choice.
 
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Matt1626

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Nautilus said:
Those aren't examples of contraception. Its called gambling. Unless youre purposefully avoiding intercourse that results in pregnancy contraception is the best choice.
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noun
the deliberate use of artificial methods or other techniques to prevent pregnancy as a consequence of sexual intercourse. The major forms of artificial contraception are barrier methods, of which the most common is the condom; the contraceptive pill, which contains synthetic sex hormones that prevent ovulation in the female; intrauterine devices, such as the coil, which prevent the fertilized ovum from implanting in the uterus; and male or female sterilization.
 
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