I really!!! Don't want my wife to go on a mission to Africa !!!

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cinder

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I really don't understand why she thinks leaving me and small children is ok for 15 days I really really at wits end there are needy people here and her family is here
She could die and leave her kids without a mom
The reasons it isn't a good idea
1-not a safe place for a young mother with little kids

enough said
she is a busy body; which can be good but for the first time she doesn't have kids at home with her our youngest (3) is in pre school and older ones are in school. Since then; only since September she has remodeled the kitchen on her own, signed up for this mission, have A young lady move in them short term, and catch up on a years worth of book keeping which she never does, also run 2 marathons
OK so having read through the thread. Here are the comments I have about your situation as a young lady who has traveled internationally quite a bit and is currently living overseas:

1) You seem to be quite fearful. Unless she is going to a war zone or somewhere where there is a disease epidemic (or has some sort of medical condition or food allergy that she needs to have close supervision of), there simply isn't a good reason to think she is significantly increasing her chances of death by going overseas. Hundreds if not thousands of people go on short term missions trips every year, the vast majority of them come back safe and sound and have no need for medical treatment while abroad (and you can by travel medical insurance fairly cheaply to cover that eventuality). Despite the waivers you sign deaths and injuries are quite rare.

2) Sounds like your wife may be having a difficult time adjusting to having hours at home with no kids around. You make it sound like she is doing a bazillion and one different things to try to fill up her time or maybe find some significance. Africa isn't going to solve this restlessness, but if it's the underlying factor in her desire to go, it is definitely worth talking about.

3) The fact that she signed up for an overseas trip either without talking to you about it or against your wishes is one of those red flags that all is not well in your relationship. This is the kind of thing that you should be talking about and in agreement on. Best thing you can do for both of you is go LISTEN to your wife. Unless you've been silent its a pretty good bet she knows you don't want her to go. So find out why she needs this so badly she is willing to defy you over it. Be humble about it because the trip is not the issue at this point; that you are willing to care for her and see to her needs and want her to know just how much you love and appreciate her and hate that this thing is causing friction is the real issue.

One other thing to discuss are the practical logistics of how the kids will be cared for, how what she usually does will get done during the two weeks she's away. Not knowing your wife she may have it all planned out already, or she may be caught up in an emotional high of "doing something big to serve God" and not have thought about the practicalities, but I will agree that it is still part of her responsibility as wife and mother to make sure this stuff is covered while she is away.

I'd also second the advice to talk to the trip leaders, both because they can probably reassure about the safety and security stuff they have in place, and because they should be aware of how much of a division this trip is causing in your marriage. I hope you can both get things worked out and come to agreement and be a stronger couple for it.
 
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biscuit

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Matthew 19:29 (KJ21) | In Context |Whole Chapter


[SUP]29 [/SUP]And everyone that hath forsaken houses or brethren or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold and shall inherit everlasting life.

When God calls us to make a sacrifice in His name, it is usually permanent such as a nun, priest, missionary work and etc. It is not likely to be a two week 'break away.'

Nevertheless, God's name is often used in vain for one's purpose. We see it everyday in the pulpit and by lukewarm/hypocrite Christians. Those who have a "special" relationship with Jesus can truly interpret a calling from Him. To use God's name in vain is a sin in itself called "lying."

 
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Inu

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Matthew 19:29 (KJ21) | In Context |Whole Chapter


[SUP]29 [/SUP]And everyone that hath forsaken houses or brethren or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold and shall inherit everlasting life.

When God calls us to make a sacrifice in His name, it is usually permanent such as a nun, priest, missionary work and etc. It is not likely to be a two week 'break away.'

Nevertheless, God's name is often used in vain for one's purpose. We see it everyday in the pulpit and by lukewarm/hypocrite Christians. Those who have a "special" relationship with Jesus can truly interpret a calling from Him. To use God's name in vain is a sin in itself called "lying."

But Biscuit...:) we only know one side to the story... and sacrifice is different from your calling... nuns, priest, etc... they felt in their spirit that they were called to step into those roles. If we look at Abraham and Isaac, what was permanent about that? Her walk with God is different from ours and although I strongly believe in submission, I also believe in discernment. We need to look at the bigger picture.... is she going on a vacation? No.... is she going to have an affair? no.... all we Know is that the OP is concerned about he's wife coming to Africa on missionary work and he has the right to be cause that is the woman he loves.... But he needs to ask himself, are her actions bring glory to God? Will she be saving lives in the name of God? Are my needs greater than the needs of God?

We don't belong to each other, we belong to God.
 
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biscuit

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One other thing to discuss are the practical logistics of how the kids will be cared for, how what she usually does will get done during the two weeks she's away. Not knowing your wife she may have it all planned out already, or she may be caught up in an emotional high of "doing something big to serve God" and not have thought about the practicalities, but I will agree that it is still part of her responsibility as wife and mother to make sure this stuff is covered while she is away.

I'd also second the advice to talk to the trip leaders, both because they can probably reassure about the safety and security stuff they have in place, and because they should be aware of how much of a division this trip is causing in your marriage. I hope you can both get things worked out and come to agreement and be a stronger couple for it.

Nevertheless, she is wrong!!! She is disobeying her husband and not being honest why she wants to go. "Two wrongs don't make it right." Two red flags. If she wants to get out of the house, a family trip to Africa can be planned. If she wants time off for herself, it can be planned with her husband's approval.
 
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biscuit

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We don't belong to each other, we belong to God.

Is her calling truly from God? That needs to be looked at carefully. Does she have mentally health issues? This is why this matter should be taken seriously.

For example, Reverend Jim Jones had a so-called "calling" from God to go to Guyana under a Christian banner. What happened? Over 900 followers were massacred with poisoned Kool-Aid. The guy was a nut case.

If she wish to go without his approval ... then she is risking her marriage if the calling is not in God's name.

Knew a Christian woman who 'overruled' her husband's authority in God's name and lost her husband through a divorce. She did not recover from it. I explained to her what she did wrong and she could only walk away in tears.
 
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Inu

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We don't belong to each other, we belong to God.

Is her calling truly from God? That needs to be looked at carefully. Does she have mentally health issues? This is why this matter should be taken seriously.

For example, Reverend Jim Jones had a so-called "calling" from God to go to Guyana under a Christian banner. What happened? Over 900 followers were massacred with poisoned Kool-Aid. The guy was a nut case.
I'm not sure if it is but do we perceive our callings to be from God?

Another thing(not as a response to Biscuit), as a woman(if I had a husband), I would be hurt by this thread if my intentions were purely God based and my husband created this idea about me that exaggerated the actual situation.
 
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biscuit

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I'm not sure if it is but do we perceive our callings to be from God?

Another thing(not as a response to Biscuit), as a woman(if I had a husband), I would be hurt by this thread if my intentions were purely God based and my husband created this idea about me that exaggerated the actual situation.
I am a devout Christian and if my wife (not married) had a strong conviction about serving God through a "calling," I would definitely listen to her and likely join her in the calling to serve Him.And if not, I would give her my blessing. One thing I noticed about God's callings in the Bible, He doesn't give deadlines (extremely rare).

This is an issue that can be worked out.
 
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Inu

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I am a devout Christian and if my wife (not married) had a strong conviction about serving God through a "calling," I would definitely listen to her and likely join her in the calling to serve Him.And if not, I would give her my blessing. One thing I noticed about God's callings in the Bible, He doesn't give deadlines (extremely rare).

This is an issue that can be worked out.
I finally agree with you:p Amen biscuit!
 

Billyd

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I really don't understand why she thinks leaving me and small children is ok for 15 days I really really at wits end there are needy people here and her family is here
As I read the comments about you situation, one thing came to mind. If this trip is of God, both of you would agree. I believe that you and your wife should sit down together and in honest prayer, ask God for his guidance on this trip. If you disagree after this, get your pastor to help you.
 
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tenderhearted

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Psychomom, my husband and I have been talking about me staying in a hotel for a couple of days, so I can take a break. However, the baby is still to little for this. I'm looking forward to that time in the future. Although, I still wonder what I would actually do with all that time :)



Matt...sorry for this. :(

my buddy Suze raised her 4 kiddos, and now they're grown and she goes to Thailand every winter,
and to China twice a year (fall and spring). there's time for this, in its proper time.

I guess if it were me, I'd want you to ask me why i wanted to go...
and if, possibly, I just needed a break from the demanding task of family life?

My husband used to send me to a hotel once a year, all by myself for 2 days and a night.
Just a local place an hour from home, but I sat in Barnes and Nobel with a cup of coffee
reading for hours, and was antsy to get home by the second day. :)

I'll be praying for you and your wife.
 
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Matt1626

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OK so having read through the thread. Here are the comments I have about your situation as a young lady who has traveled internationally quite a bit and is currently living overseas:

1) You seem to be quite fearful. Unless she is going to a war zone or somewhere where there is a disease epidemic (or has some sort of medical condition or food allergy that she needs to have close supervision of), there simply isn't a good reason to think she is significantly increasing her chances of death by going overseas. Hundreds if not thousands of people go on short term missions trips every year, the vast majority of them come back safe and sound and have no need for medical treatment while abroad (and you can by travel medical insurance fairly cheaply to cover that eventuality). Despite the waivers you sign deaths and injuries are quite rare.

2) Sounds like your wife may be having a difficult time adjusting to having hours at home with no kids around. You make it sound like she is doing a bazillion and one different things to try to fill up her time or maybe find some significance. Africa isn't going to solve this restlessness, but if it's the underlying factor in her desire to go, it is definitely worth talking about.

3) The fact that she signed up for an overseas trip either without talking to you about it or against your wishes is one of those red flags that all is not well in your relationship. This is the kind of thing that you should be talking about and in agreement on. Best thing you can do for both of you is go LISTEN to your wife. Unless you've been silent its a pretty good bet she knows you don't want her to go. So find out why she needs this so badly she is willing to defy you over it. Be humble about it because the trip is not the issue at this point; that you are willing to care for her and see to her needs and want her to know just how much you love and appreciate her and hate that this thing is causing friction is the real issue.

One other thing to discuss are the practical logistics of how the kids will be cared for, how what she usually does will get done during the two weeks she's away. Not knowing your wife she may have it all planned out already, or she may be caught up in an emotional high of "doing something big to serve God" and not have thought about the practicalities, but I will agree that it is still part of her responsibility as wife and mother to make sure this stuff is covered while she is away.

I'd also second the advice to talk to the trip leaders, both because they can probably reassure about the safety and security stuff they have in place, and because they should be aware of how much of a division this trip is causing in your marriage. I hope you can both get things worked out and come to agreement and be a stronger couple for it.

I think this is a very good description about what is going on other than I asked me to go over 20 times I said no 19 times and after being broken down I said yes the 20th time and no the 21-30th times
 
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hopesprings

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I could only bring myself to "like" this because it was from a woman, but I have to say I agree with you. Of course we don't know the whole situation, but basically I can't find any flaw in you argument. She entered into a covenant relationship and there are roles to uphold, for both of them. I don't see how leaving just like this when the husband is freaking out and not at all ok with the whole thing, can be good for anyone of them. That being said this could very well be a result of ALWAYS having to deal with all of that "wife stuff" alone with no help, and just wanting something for herself for once. So it could be just as much on him as well, we just don't know both sides. I just think that the only way to come to any kind of understanding is to go to God and talk it out with her. I will pray God bring His peace and understanding to you both.
you agree with her calling this woman an infidel?
 

Jimbone

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you agree with her calling this woman an infidel?
I guess I could have made a disclaimer about that one part. No I don't agree with that one part of her statement. I guess I could have thought about that a little more. I kind of ignored that part myself I must admit, I did not mean to support that one part of her comment, but the rest I did agree with.
 
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hopesprings

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I guess I could have made a disclaimer about that one part. No I don't agree with that one part of her statement. I guess I could have thought about that a little more. I kind of ignored that part myself I must admit, I did not mean to support that one part of her comment, but the rest I did agree with.

Okay...i will let it slide
this time

jk
lol
 

CatHerder

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Matt -

I am truly sorry that you are still having these problems. But you've brought this up before in a different thread which gave a lot more background than what you have shared here. Are you looking for different answers than what you got before?
 
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MidniteWelder

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yep i clearly see you have a warped sense of what submission means to the point its basically slavery...must be fun. Like he isn't man enough to take care of a couple kids by himself for two weeks? Oh and throwing around the term infidel? What a joke.
Submission isn't if ya wanna and when ya wanna, otherwise it is not submission.

Submission is for one owns better good.
Her NOT going to Africa where there is the possibility of Lions and killer bee's etc is for her better good.
Her fulfilling her wifely role as is outlined in proverbs 31
IS for her better good not only for her family she has responsibility to but also out of submission to God for fulfilling her wifely role.

Furthermore, within our own Submission to God, which is whether we wanna or not, like it, understand it or not,
if it is viewed upon as some sort of slavery then it is not willing submission.
This mindset would present a problem

Are we to submit to God only if we wanna and when we wanna?
If so. perhaps you may want to check your own sense of what submission means.

Submission:
: to stop trying to fight or resist something : to agree to do or accept something that you have been resisting or opposing
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a : to yield oneself to the authority or will of another

There can only be one head of the household, not two.
This man insisting his wife not go to Africa, her wanting to go likely because everybody else is and just wants to join in on the adventure is not unwise, abusive or controlling of him.
His wife insisting she must go, wanting what she wants just because she wants it neglecting her duties to her own family when Africa is not her responsibility, THAT is actually acting like a 5 yr old.
If she persists She just may get treated like a 5 yr old instead of an adult, more than likely by God himself.



 
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MidniteWelder

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you agree with her calling this woman an infidel?
1 Timothy 5:8
Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an infidel.

Who would you rather agree with?
1. God (from whom "the woman" in question has received her viewpoint of infidel from or)
2. .....
is there any other suitable alternative?
 
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VioletReigns

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OK so having read through the thread. Here are the comments I have about your situation as a young lady who has traveled internationally quite a bit and is currently living overseas:

1) You seem to be quite fearful. Unless she is going to a war zone or somewhere where there is a disease epidemic (or has some sort of medical condition or food allergy that she needs to have close supervision of), there simply isn't a good reason to think she is significantly increasing her chances of death by going overseas. Hundreds if not thousands of people go on short term missions trips every year, the vast majority of them come back safe and sound and have no need for medical treatment while abroad (and you can by travel medical insurance fairly cheaply to cover that eventuality). Despite the waivers you sign deaths and injuries are quite rare.

2) Sounds like your wife may be having a difficult time adjusting to having hours at home with no kids around. You make it sound like she is doing a bazillion and one different things to try to fill up her time or maybe find some significance. Africa isn't going to solve this restlessness, but if it's the underlying factor in her desire to go, it is definitely worth talking about.

3) The fact that she signed up for an overseas trip either without talking to you about it or against your wishes is one of those red flags that all is not well in your relationship. This is the kind of thing that you should be talking about and in agreement on. Best thing you can do for both of you is go LISTEN to your wife. Unless you've been silent its a pretty good bet she knows you don't want her to go. So find out why she needs this so badly she is willing to defy you over it. Be humble about it because the trip is not the issue at this point; that you are willing to care for her and see to her needs and want her to know just how much you love and appreciate her and hate that this thing is causing friction is the real issue.

One other thing to discuss are the practical logistics of how the kids will be cared for, how what she usually does will get done during the two weeks she's away. Not knowing your wife she may have it all planned out already, or she may be caught up in an emotional high of "doing something big to serve God" and not have thought about the practicalities, but I will agree that it is still part of her responsibility as wife and mother to make sure this stuff is covered while she is away.

I'd also second the advice to talk to the trip leaders, both because they can probably reassure about the safety and security stuff they have in place, and because they should be aware of how much of a division this trip is causing in your marriage. I hope you can both get things worked out and come to agreement and be a stronger couple for it.
I must say, this wise response seems to me to reveal some extremely valid points. I will also add that you and your wife should humbly kneel before the Lord together, praying, seeking God on this and asking Him to confirm whether this trip is truly directed by Him or is it something else. God is faithful to answer. And only God knows what's in both your hearts.
 
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Praying! My index finger is cramping from hitting so many Likes in one night but I'm praying, Brother.