What would God want for my marriage?

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lavender111

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I have been with my husband for 11 years, married for 8 and we have 3 amazing children. Trouble started as early as 6 months in to our relationship when I found nude pictures of women on my husband' s computer, as well as sexual webcam and instant messenger chats. I caught him engaging in this behavior more times than I can count over the first 5 years of our marriage, as well him emailing and calling women he had dated. Each time I would make a discovery, he would accuse me of snooping and tell me that the only problem was my insecurity.

In addition to these behaviors he was also very verbally abusive and refused to be physically intimate with me more than a few times a year. He also had no interest in going on dates, vacations, or accompanying me when I had to undergo surgery. He basically abandoned our marriage from the very beginning. I begged and pleaded with him to get help and to go to counseling with me and he always refused, saying that if I had a problem I should just leave.

In fall of 2011 I made the biggest mistake of my life and carried on a month- long affair. After discovering my affair, my husband and I decided that we wanted to save our marriage and in December of 2011 we began seeing a Christian counselor recommended by our church. She was a Godsend for us and for the first time I felt we truly had a marriage. We put God and our marriage first. I repented my affair and my husband apologized for all he had done to hurt me, admitting that he had never really wanted to be married, but now he did. It wasn't all perfect, there were nights we would cry and cry about the pain we had caused each other. But we were healing and loving with one another. Our communication improved tenfold and the verbal abuse stopped.

Things were great from early 2012 until early this year, when the verbal abuse began to pick up again, but this time was also aimed at our oldest son, as well as me. We had not gone to counseling in over a year and a half, so this past July, my husband agreed to begin counseling again.

All was going pretty well, until the first week of September when my husband left h is email open and I found emails fromwoman, including naked photos. The emails that I saw began in early 2012 and the most recent was received in August of this year. At first, he denied knowing who she was, then admitted that he had started talking to her in 2012 about my affair. But he said any emails received in the last year or so from her were probably spam. I was unable to follow up on this, though, becuase he immediately went through his email and began deleting things while shielding it from my view.

I felt betrayed. I felt like all of the apologizing he did on therapy and all of the reconnecting we did with each other and God was all a sham. He had continued carrying on the exact same behavior that he had admitted was wrong and apologized for, without ever really stopping. When I told him how upset I was, he said that I have to understand that he did it because of my affair, and I need to believe that he isn't currently doing anything wrong and get over it. Then he threatened that if I didn't immediately drop it, he would divorce me because he was tired of it. He also refused to go back to counseling and the verbal abuse continues.

I did see our therapist alone and she told me that my husband is a classic abuser and he never has given me a reason to trust him. My problem is that I want to be right with God. I don't want to leave if it' s not what God wants. I have prayed and prayed for guidance and clarification with this and have yet to receive and answer. Things are ok right now, as long as I just agree with or ignore my husband' s verbal hand and I don' t bring up the fact that I feel betrayed or untrusting. But I also don't feel like I can trust my husband or feel loved or as if my feelings matter to him. I do love him though. I feel he has many problems and wish he would get help and actually truly submit to being helped, rather than pretend as if he is healing when he is secretly continuing the behavior. I just don't know what to do.
 
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JustAnotherUser

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As long as you're letting him get away with his actions, he's going to keep on doing them. Abusive people have one thing in common, and that's obtaining power over another person through their manipulations and verbal/physical assaults. It's very rare for someone who let alone committed adultery at best with other women through webcam while being abusive to their own family to ever change while living under the same roof as them. I'm sorry to say, but I would have to agree with your therapist. I wouldn't even recommend to live in such a setting where there's so much dysfunctional activity going on being displayed in front of the kids unless they want some messed up things to remember and perhaps live throughout their childhood unless something changes, even if that means to pack up your stuff and leave.
 
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MissCris

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I think you should tell him you want to separate.

There's no reason you should have to remain there and be verbally (and it sounds like emotionally) abused and manipulated into complying with his bad behavior. What he wants right now is to have the best of both worlds, it sounds like- he wants his family, so long as he can also have his other women online without you "making" him feel guilty about it.

Basically, he wants you to shut up and let him do whatever he wants.

So I would say, leave. Don't give him the chance to argue about it. Tell him that's what you're doing, so that you both have the space and time to see your marriage more clearly.

Where the marriage goes from there is up to you and him. You can't fix it all by yourself, so he'll have to be on board with any counseling or attempts to make things work. You may end up deciding to go through with a divorce.

Whatever happens, pray. Don't lose faith. I've seen God heal marriages much like yours (my own, for example).

I'll keep you and your family in my prayers, and hope you'll stick around and let us know how things are going.
 
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lavender111

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Thank you for your responses. It is so hard. I am finishing school and not really financially able to be on my own at the moment. I also feel so badly for my husband. Before my affair, I just felt pure disdain for his behavior. Now, I feel like he is dealing with a lot of demons that stem from childhood abuse and he needs help. What bothers me so badly is the fact that I thought he had gotten help and faced his demons, but in reality he never stopped his behavior. I truly felt as if he opened up his heart and wanted to be a better person and accepted that he had been wrong, because that is what he said. And he seemed so sincere. But knowing that he was still taking part in the behavior made me realize it was a big act. So now, even if he truly repented, I don't know how I ever trust in that because I trusted before and it was a big lie. And then there is the reality that he truly sees nothing wrong with it. His response to my being bothered with the nude photos was "I can't help what kind of pictures someone sends me". I just don't know how to get through to him. We go to church, we went to therapy, and he still sees nothing wrong with his behaviors or with the fact that he acted as if he had remorse and repented the behaviors while he was still actively engaging in them. It is really sad to me, and also, he thinks everything is good right now, because I dropped the subject when he threatened divorce.
 
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JustAnotherUser

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The thing is those who know how to go with the tac-tics of getting at people's emotions and obtaining remorse is that they can be able to take full advantage of it. Manipulative people are probably the best actors out there and there's pretty much nothing you can do about it to completely convince or change such people. If he's sincere about what he says, actions would follow along with them. Giving every chance you have is just going to be another pass for him and they most likely don't care to what extent it hurts other people for it. While two wrongs don't make a right, but him bringing the excuses for his actions and wanting you to take full blame shows just that. I'm sorry. :/
 
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Marian29

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Continue praying, asking God's guidance through Bible readings and fasting.
Sing to God, to expel demons.
 
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dalconn

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Your husband has a sexually,lust porn addiction. Tell him to join a christian support group if he really cares about your marriage.
 
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lavender111

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I have suggested that he may have an addiction in the past. He says that since he only engages in these chats every few months, there is no way it's an addiction and I am making a "mountain out of a molehill". Our counselor also strongly encouraged him to go to therapy and group therapy for his anger and control issues, but he continues to believe that he doesn't have a problem. The last time this was discussed he actually said that the problem was that my son and I are "sissies" who want him to sissify everything for us. This conversation came about after I found the recent emails in September. Multiple times a day he will have a yelling fit about what an idiot I (or our oldest son) am for mundane things that we do incorrectly according to him. Like not replacing the toilet paper roll or letting the mini blinds down with too much force. Well, in September he said we are just sissies who need to learn to take criticism and we are the ones with the problem, not him, so he was never going back to therapy because he doesn't need it. What's so confusing is, every day I get glimpses of how things could be if we had a normal relationship. We will have many pleasant moments, only for him to blow up at some point during the day and berate one of us. I find that if I just let him berate us and don't say anything back, he doesn't hold a grudge like he does if I try to defend us, which makes things less miserable for everyone. I don't know if I should just suck it up and let him have his fits and ignore the fact that he talks to other women, for the sake of my kids and a family life. At this point, I feel that is really my only option other than leaving. I know God is capable of all things, I just don't know how I could trust that he had truly changed even if he did, since I really, really thought he had before. I really trusted him and actually hadn't checked his email in years because I trusted that he had changed. I guess I would always feel like it is some kind of an act. (Kind of interesting that he used to model and always wanted to act).
 
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dalconn

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He needs brothers in the faith to keep him accountable and transparent. I take it you're not connected to a body of believers? It's going to be hard to get a spiritual victory without following God's prescription. I'm not beating you up, just telling you how I won my victory
 
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lavender111

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No. I have actually suggested joining a life group, which he shot down. He says he has good friends, which he does. He has one very Godly friend who he admires. The problem is, he won't be honest with them about things he has done. He told them all about me having an affair, and he says he would tell them things he has done. But he never has. When I mention talking to others about our problems or others holding us accountable, he says that is telling people our "business" and he is private. He tells me I only want to talk to others because I am insecure. He actually has forbidden me from talking about our problems with anyone in our life, as he feels that it is a form of betraying him.
 
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lavender111

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Also, though he has some friends that are really good people, many of them have expressed that they don't approve of attitudes and behaviors he has shown in front of them, but they definitely don't hold him accountable. He also rarely sees them. His family also believes that he has problems and needs to get help. But he thinks they are also wrong about him.
 
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MissCris

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I have suggested that he may have an addiction in the past. He says that since he only engages in these chats every few months, there is no way it's an addiction and I am making a "mountain out of a molehill". Our counselor also strongly encouraged him to go to therapy and group therapy for his anger and control issues, but he continues to believe that he doesn't have a problem. The last time this was discussed he actually said that the problem was that my son and I are "sissies" who want him to sissify everything for us. This conversation came about after I found the recent emails in September. Multiple times a day he will have a yelling fit about what an idiot I (or our oldest son) am for mundane things that we do incorrectly according to him. Like not replacing the toilet paper roll or letting the mini blinds down with too much force. Well, in September he said we are just sissies who need to learn to take criticism and we are the ones with the problem, not him, so he was never going back to therapy because he doesn't need it. What's so confusing is, every day I get glimpses of how things could be if we had a normal relationship. We will have many pleasant moments, only for him to blow up at some point during the day and berate one of us. I find that if I just let him berate us and don't say anything back, he doesn't hold a grudge like he does if I try to defend us, which makes things less miserable for everyone. I don't know if I should just suck it up and let him have his fits and ignore the fact that he talks to other women, for the sake of my kids and a family life. At this point, I feel that is really my only option other than leaving. I know God is capable of all things, I just don't know how I could trust that he had truly changed even if he did, since I really, really thought he had before. I really trusted him and actually hadn't checked his email in years because I trusted that he had changed. I guess I would always feel like it is some kind of an act. (Kind of interesting that he used to model and always wanted to act).
Here's the thing- the more you keep your mouth shut in order to keep the peace, the more he's going to think he can just steamroll you about this stuff. He knows how to manipulate you in order to get you to drop it.

You can't keep living like that, and your children shouldn't grow up around that.

That means that somehow, some way, you have to get his attention, you've got to make him realize that this is unacceptable in your marriage and that you won't put up with it. Based on how you say he acts when you try to talk to him about it, that's not going to work. I know you said you can't really leave, and I understand that it can be hard, what with financial concerns and all number of other worries, but it can be done. It can.

You can't make him straighten up and be a better husband and father; only God can do that, and only if your husband is willing to change. But you can put your foot down and insist that things will be different, there will be no more women on the side (even if they are "just" emails and photos), or you will leave. Tell him YOU want a divorce if things don't change. Because what he's doing is being unfaithful, and that's grounds for divorce.

I just feel really strongly about this, because I've been where you are- last February, I left a situation very similar, with two small kids, and had to accept all kinds of government assistance and live in a crappy apartment and...*sigh*. I really thought that was the end of my marriage. What happened, though, was that taking my husband's family away from him (for six months) woke him up, made him set his priorities straight. And now me and our children live with him again, and we're working very hard, together, at repairing our marriage.

I'm not saying that things will work for you exactly how they did for me; just that sometimes we have to take extreme measures, sometimes we have to really make a stand, and then hope and pray for God to step in and do the rest.

I really don't know if I'm making a lot of sense at this point. I just really hate to see anyone going through what I did.
 
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lavender111

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You make complete sense, MissCris, your situation that you recently went through sounds similar to what we went through 3 years ago. My kids and I actually spent May- August of 2011 staying with my mom. Once we moved back in, and things hadn't changed at all, I told him I was done. That's when he begged me to stay, said he would try anything, and was sorry for everything he had ever done to hurt me. Then he found out I had seen another man for amonth and, though he wanted to work on the marriage and still went to counseling, he maintained the belief that nothing he ever did to me was as bad as what I did to him or ever would because he never saw the women in person. I guess my point is, he faced losing us, and still didn'really change. He only became a better actor for awhile. So, if i did leave and he begged me to come back for months and seemed to change, how would I ever trust that he was sincere?
 
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Nicee

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Love is blind. Accept that. Then find people to help you walk the right path(which u r doing now [good]) and not the path your husband is blindly leading you on. If you want to be free from him or make him change his ways( which is nearly impossible). You need to have faith and let go of him. After that untie the love for him that has blinded u. If he come back and ask u to take him back. Just tell him u r no longer blinded by his love and u have already let go of him and u dont want nothing to do with him. Your sight is very important.
 
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Nicee

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You make complete sense, MissCris, your situation that you recently went through sounds similar to what we went through 3 years ago. My kids and I actually spent May- August of 2011 staying with my mom. Once we moved back in, and things hadn't changed at all, I told him I was done. That's when he begged me to stay, said he would try anything, and was sorry for everything he had ever done to hurt me. Then he found out I had seen another man for amonth and, though he wanted to work on the marriage and still went to counseling, he maintained the belief that nothing he ever did to me was as bad as what I did to him or ever would because he never saw the women in person. I guess my point is, he faced losing us, and still didn'really change. He only became a better actor for awhile. So, if i did leave and he begged me to come back for months and seemed to change, how would I ever trust that he was sincere?
I know because I had (blinded by love) losed my sight, but thanks to God and my mom now i can see and free to walk my path.
 
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pastac

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I hope you realize that when you post personal information on a site such as this you will garner all sorts of ungodly advice. This is a dangerous forum to discuss personal matters. You should pm a chosen person or choose your pastor if you have one if not you need to find someone you know not folks who could be anyone anywhere telling you anything!!!!but be very cautious about following any advice from this site or any other without God being your direction. Hurting does not mean you tell all your business. If you sought therapy why would you look to this or any site for anything else. Keep in mind your post was what would God want me to do for my marriage.
How will anyone on this site or any other know that unless God reveals it to them. Why would he reveal to someone else what he want you to do for your marriage? If you stop listening to other people you may be able to hear God for yourself. I'm not saying that you should clam up and not be open just not so much detail on personal issues. The enemy use social networks too!Think please before following any ungodly advice. After 26 years of marriage and a thriving ministry. I will disagree with a lot of the selfish comments made by well meaning people to your situation. But when you ask folks you get folks opinion. Folks opinions is usually what get them and other who follow in trouble!!!!
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lavender111

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I post on here because my husband has asked me to never discuss our problems with people we know. That includes our pastor who we also know on a somewhat personal level. Our therapist told me that she isn't the best person to continue to counsel me because she is very anti- abuse and would encourage me to leave. I figured that a Christian site may be a decent place to voice my concerns. I understand that it ia personal, but my name and location are not attached here. If I were to speak to someone in person, they would truly know my personal information. I realize that some people would not give me sound advice, but I thought I may get a little positive guidance. I have no idea yet who on this site would be someone to private message. I guess I was mistaken that this is a place to come for advice?
 

Dan58

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Bottom line is that your husband has not cheated on you right? He looks at pictures, but your the one who had an affair. No offense, but I think what you did is more destructive to your marriage than his bad habits. He obviously has or had a problem with lust, but I don't think that in itself is grounds for divorce (biblically speaking). He may grow out of it, so some patience may pay off? And it is true that once a person accesses those type of web sites, you do continue to get a ton of spam mail containing the same type of material (I hear :)). As long as he's not acting on it, I'd try to work on the marriage. I know that's not the advise your looking for, but its just my opinion. If there's verbal abuse, try to communicate and encourage him to stop that behavior, while simultaneously trying to eliminate what ever is upsetting him to the point of getting so angry. No blame, but it sounds like you've both had trouble devoting yourselves to each other, your past actions suggest wandering eyes. jmo
 
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pastac

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But it is not wisdom to ask everybody thier opinion!!!!! This is an issue between you and God. Have you considered that he meant what he said that he would honor your vow.
You said in sickness in health in good times and bad till death doo you part or something like that. Quitting is not an option to consider when a lesson is being taught.
Your focus is not your husband but your relationship with God. Seek him first and his kingdom and all else will be added unto you. I will be praying for you but folks who mean well say the most ungodly unholy unscrptural things is that what you raelly want?
No I feel your hurt. No this is not easy it is not supposed to be the enemy wants your marriage and your family and if you listen to folks youll givre it to him!!! Listen to God if he dosent speak dont you move. I feel for you but wisdom wins.
This is a good site when everything works as it should but bad seeds currpot the pie sometimes I'm just saying no slow down pm me if you pray about it first I'll make time. I dont want you going against your husbands wishes so wisdom has to be used in an instance like this so he dosent feel betrayed. He is embarrassed and reaching out you just cant see it.
I emplore you not to act on any advice that says anything that God has not told you.
If he has not answered you or moved then you sister have plenty to keep you busy!!!
hold on sister all will be as God has ordained concerning you
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pastac

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Lavender111 as not to be out of order with God I will only pm you once you speak in confidence with your pastor that you need prayer for your marriage detaisl if you feel led to share. The pastor has an obgilgation to your privacy if and only if you feel safe you should take that to your pastor. If you do notgoto you pastor out of fear or whtever reason, I want it on record that I asked you to do that first and I defer to your pastor and that position at any time.I will however be a sounding board and assit you as I can without usurping the authority of your pastor if you ask God and he says to do so
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