Depression and suicide
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The bible doesn't directly discuss suicide anywhere. The only responses you will get are people's interpretation of scriptures, nothing more. I personally believe God will judge those situations on a case by case basis. I mean if someone is in a horrible event such as their entire family being killed and they kill themselves you have to wonder how God will react. In the end, I would never put my eternal salvation up for gamble like that though. God expects us to endure this life in the same manner Jesus did, by Faith. I speak from personal experience because my father committed suicide and I will just leave it up to God what happens to his soul.
I do not believe suicide sends you to hell. I think God understands the immense suffering and pain a person would have to be in to take their own life.
The teaching that suicide sends you to hell comes from the Catholic Church. Which is works based. The only think that sends you to hell is not believing in Jesus. Period!
The teaching that suicide sends you to hell comes from the Catholic Church. Which is works based. The only think that sends you to hell is not believing in Jesus. Period!
C
"Thou shalt not kill" --- killing oneself is taking God's Will out of His Hands and making oneself God over one's life.
It's playing Russian Roulette with one's soul.
If we condone "killing" - our view may be read by someone that just thinks they're a Christian but isn't and the end is obvious.
God chooses the day that each of us will go to be with Him - but if we take it into our own hands or say that He wouldn't mind - we're playing God.
Scripturally, there is nothing that remotely condones taking one's own life. We do have the command, Thou shalt not kill and that alone should hit our minds as enough.
Many millions since creation have suffered horribly, but they fought to live and I believe that is what God does honor.
Many are being tortured mercylessly for Christ in persecution and though they have the chance to kill themselves, they're not.
We are told to be 'overcomers' and that is the "faith in Christ" that He rewards.
He speaks of suffering and trials and tribulations enough through-out His Word, that we know that He tells us where to turn during such almost unbearable times - and taking one's life before His timing is not one of them.
It's murder and again - it is playing Russian Roulette with one's soul.
If we condone it -- we are setting up a whole generation to take that way out and God forbid that.
Those under the most trials and suffering are the greatest testimony that the History of the Church has.
Many who are suffering the greatest were and are used the greatest for His Kingdom on earth - saving souls and comforting the suffering.
Many that Satan knows are of the greatest potential for His Kingdom are tempted to kill themselves, just before something great was about to set them on that course of greatness.
Suicide is not an option - it's playing God!
It's playing Russian Roulette with one's soul.
If we condone "killing" - our view may be read by someone that just thinks they're a Christian but isn't and the end is obvious.
God chooses the day that each of us will go to be with Him - but if we take it into our own hands or say that He wouldn't mind - we're playing God.
Scripturally, there is nothing that remotely condones taking one's own life. We do have the command, Thou shalt not kill and that alone should hit our minds as enough.
Many millions since creation have suffered horribly, but they fought to live and I believe that is what God does honor.
Many are being tortured mercylessly for Christ in persecution and though they have the chance to kill themselves, they're not.
We are told to be 'overcomers' and that is the "faith in Christ" that He rewards.
He speaks of suffering and trials and tribulations enough through-out His Word, that we know that He tells us where to turn during such almost unbearable times - and taking one's life before His timing is not one of them.
It's murder and again - it is playing Russian Roulette with one's soul.
If we condone it -- we are setting up a whole generation to take that way out and God forbid that.
Those under the most trials and suffering are the greatest testimony that the History of the Church has.
Many who are suffering the greatest were and are used the greatest for His Kingdom on earth - saving souls and comforting the suffering.
Many that Satan knows are of the greatest potential for His Kingdom are tempted to kill themselves, just before something great was about to set them on that course of greatness.
Suicide is not an option - it's playing God!
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C
I'm sorry, I read soccermom's reply quickly as my battery was beeping and the computer was about to turn off.
I'm sorry I can't agree, soccermom. Children hearing this are 80-90% more likely to take this advice and this generation of teens have already seen the highest rate of suicide than any other generation of the past.
Do any of us want our children or grand-children to be told that it's O.K.?
Do we read about suicide in the stories of the martyrs for Christ? No. Neither the brutily persecuted.
If persecution comes to our own countries - will we take the non-Biblical view of killing ourselves.
Are we more compassionate than GOD is the main question now. God forbid that we should think so.
God forbid that we should we should condone murder just because of trials. Jesus never did. He told us, in this world you'll have tribulations - but I have overcome the world.
These people need to be directed to our potential Lives in Christ and how to be "overcomers" - especially in view that this world is not going to get any easier for any of us and that's through-out the N.T. and we're told how to prepare for that.
Self-pity isn't Scriptural neither. Romans 8:28 and 29 is.
I'm sorry I can't agree, soccermom. Children hearing this are 80-90% more likely to take this advice and this generation of teens have already seen the highest rate of suicide than any other generation of the past.
Do any of us want our children or grand-children to be told that it's O.K.?
Do we read about suicide in the stories of the martyrs for Christ? No. Neither the brutily persecuted.
If persecution comes to our own countries - will we take the non-Biblical view of killing ourselves.
Are we more compassionate than GOD is the main question now. God forbid that we should think so.
God forbid that we should we should condone murder just because of trials. Jesus never did. He told us, in this world you'll have tribulations - but I have overcome the world.
These people need to be directed to our potential Lives in Christ and how to be "overcomers" - especially in view that this world is not going to get any easier for any of us and that's through-out the N.T. and we're told how to prepare for that.
Self-pity isn't Scriptural neither. Romans 8:28 and 29 is.
Yeah, what she says. "getting in" is based upon one thing and one thing only - confessing the sacrifice and resurrection of Christ as payment for your sin. Anything other than that are works, and while works don't get us in, we will be judged by them, and suffer gain or loss according to them. So no, suicide will not keep you out. But you will be held to account for it.
Let me just put this out there for thought -
If you knew someone was going to kill you, and you did nothing to stop it, even willingly submit to it, is that not in some form suicide?
John 12:25 says it best: Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternal life.
It's not wrong to hate your life here. We're in this world not of it, right? I always figured you could tell how much potential one has in the Kingdom of God by how hard hell works to hold them under. Perseverance. In the perseverance of the saints they overcame the enemy. As much as we may want to leave this cesspool we have to persevere.
Pray not to take your life, rather pray that God shorten the days of trial.
Amen
Let me just put this out there for thought -
If you knew someone was going to kill you, and you did nothing to stop it, even willingly submit to it, is that not in some form suicide?
John 12:25 says it best: Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternal life.
It's not wrong to hate your life here. We're in this world not of it, right? I always figured you could tell how much potential one has in the Kingdom of God by how hard hell works to hold them under. Perseverance. In the perseverance of the saints they overcame the enemy. As much as we may want to leave this cesspool we have to persevere.
Pray not to take your life, rather pray that God shorten the days of trial.
Amen
C
Have we come this far? I have to reply but yet I'm so totally stunned, it feels surreal to see the responses here.
Is this what life means anymore? Something that you can dispose of at your own will?
Taking one's own life is NO DIFFERENT than taking anyone else's. Are we going to Heaven if we decide we'll do the latter as well?
How far we've come in this generation, literally makes modern 'Christianity' unrecognizable for some of us.
Rather than offer counsel or friendship we're just giving whomsoever will the green light to knock themselves off?
There's Doctors that can help these people. There's morphine for physical pain and talk therapy for mentally anguished people ... or there's always a Friend named Jesus.
I was tempted a few times and some would say I had just cause - but Thank God The Lord stepped in and spoke clearly enough -- "Stop! This isn't from Me but the enemy."
Someone else that's about to kill us is totally different than us killing! Where the sane reasoning anymore?
Do any of you understand the lifelong suffering of a family that's had a child or close relative kill themselves? It's a haunting that never goes away. What if it was your child or teen or sibling or parent? Can't you even predict how you'd feel?
How can we call ourselves "pro-life" and yet condone self-murder? If God is all that you say He is ... doesn't His Word say that HE will not allow us to be tried beyond what we can bear and with that trial, give us a way to escape.
Many cases of suicide come from a mind that's trying to cause that pain in others that they feel have hurt them. In many cases, especially with teens, it's a form of revenge toward those that they feel hurt them.
Please think this through on a human level and not just your belief that a person can murder and still get to Heaven. Please!
Is this what life means anymore? Something that you can dispose of at your own will?
Taking one's own life is NO DIFFERENT than taking anyone else's. Are we going to Heaven if we decide we'll do the latter as well?
How far we've come in this generation, literally makes modern 'Christianity' unrecognizable for some of us.
Rather than offer counsel or friendship we're just giving whomsoever will the green light to knock themselves off?
There's Doctors that can help these people. There's morphine for physical pain and talk therapy for mentally anguished people ... or there's always a Friend named Jesus.
I was tempted a few times and some would say I had just cause - but Thank God The Lord stepped in and spoke clearly enough -- "Stop! This isn't from Me but the enemy."
Someone else that's about to kill us is totally different than us killing! Where the sane reasoning anymore?
Do any of you understand the lifelong suffering of a family that's had a child or close relative kill themselves? It's a haunting that never goes away. What if it was your child or teen or sibling or parent? Can't you even predict how you'd feel?
How can we call ourselves "pro-life" and yet condone self-murder? If God is all that you say He is ... doesn't His Word say that HE will not allow us to be tried beyond what we can bear and with that trial, give us a way to escape.
Many cases of suicide come from a mind that's trying to cause that pain in others that they feel have hurt them. In many cases, especially with teens, it's a form of revenge toward those that they feel hurt them.
Please think this through on a human level and not just your belief that a person can murder and still get to Heaven. Please!
C
I just need to add what I thought after seeing and replying to this thread last night.
If someone I knew took their life as a result of your replies, I would put the blame on you as an accomplice in their death. An accomplice to murder. Their 'assistant' in assisted-suicide.
The temptation to kill oneself can come on SO FAST that there's no time for the person to even think out what they're doing and all they'll remember is that one person that said it was OK, understandable or safe spiritually. I know How Fast that very strong temptation can hit a person ... very much so ... Yes I know and it was only a split second intervention that has saved people. Even police climbing up to great heights to stop someone ... police that weren't even SAVED and were later thanked as well by the person and their loved ones. That temptation can come on as fast as you could blink your eyes and as the means to do it will be right there and it only takes one tiny 'Yes vote' from some "understanding" people and that person is gone in a moment. Work in an Emergency Room for a while and see enough of these victims of your "compassion" and their loved ones there and tell me if you still feel the same about the counsel that you've given here.
Get as mad at me as you want -- but I've become very acquainted with this topic and for very good reason and also the after affects of the family and friends of those that decide they want to play God with their own God Given Life.
God forgive those that push His forgiveness to the point of condoning murder .... when we don't know who will read these posts - saved or not saved readers -- we just don't care anymore.
If someone I knew took their life as a result of your replies, I would put the blame on you as an accomplice in their death. An accomplice to murder. Their 'assistant' in assisted-suicide.
The temptation to kill oneself can come on SO FAST that there's no time for the person to even think out what they're doing and all they'll remember is that one person that said it was OK, understandable or safe spiritually. I know How Fast that very strong temptation can hit a person ... very much so ... Yes I know and it was only a split second intervention that has saved people. Even police climbing up to great heights to stop someone ... police that weren't even SAVED and were later thanked as well by the person and their loved ones. That temptation can come on as fast as you could blink your eyes and as the means to do it will be right there and it only takes one tiny 'Yes vote' from some "understanding" people and that person is gone in a moment. Work in an Emergency Room for a while and see enough of these victims of your "compassion" and their loved ones there and tell me if you still feel the same about the counsel that you've given here.
Get as mad at me as you want -- but I've become very acquainted with this topic and for very good reason and also the after affects of the family and friends of those that decide they want to play God with their own God Given Life.
God forgive those that push His forgiveness to the point of condoning murder .... when we don't know who will read these posts - saved or not saved readers -- we just don't care anymore.
C
I went offline just after that post determined to never return to this forum again - but the sight and sounds of an Emergency Room still haunts me. The screams of the person that's rushed in by loved ones and those screams were of no avail -- the terror on the person's face just seconds before they die because it was Too Late. The screams of the loved ones but more terrifying is the look on the person's face who can't be saved from death as they feel their last breaths, knowing it's Too Late and that they had really done it. Those screams will never leave a person. They stepping from this world into the next and the terror in just indescribable.
Sure, some people can manage to do it so fast that there's no time for those screams -- but never the less - they are screaming somewhere from that terror.
YOU DON'T KNOW WITH 100% ASSURITY WHETHER THAT PERSON IS GOING TO HEAVEN OR NOT AND YOU CANNOT PROVE TO ANYONE THAT YOU KNOW THAT ANYBODY IS THAT'S READING THIS.
God I pray with all that is in me, that these people in this modern world of ERs will know that what they've said is wrong.
Sure, some people can manage to do it so fast that there's no time for those screams -- but never the less - they are screaming somewhere from that terror.
YOU DON'T KNOW WITH 100% ASSURITY WHETHER THAT PERSON IS GOING TO HEAVEN OR NOT AND YOU CANNOT PROVE TO ANYONE THAT YOU KNOW THAT ANYBODY IS THAT'S READING THIS.
God I pray with all that is in me, that these people in this modern world of ERs will know that what they've said is wrong.
The OP never said anyone was contemplating doing this. It just asked a simple what if. And while no you don't want to condone it, are you going to lie just to avoid the unintended appearance of condoning it? Yes suicide is self murder, murder is a sin, sin keeps us from God. But then God paid the fine for us, so we can again get back to Him despite our many sins. This one included.
The one, and only qualifier for "getting in" is accepting Christ. That's it. In the eternal, once we accept Christ, sin has no power over us. It's a done deal. But in the here and now, there are consequences. If you submit to a spiritual authority in sin, you're submitted to that spiritual authority. Now, most every other sin has the luxury of our being able to later confess and repent of it, breaking that submission. But the sin of self murder - not so much. That's an irrevocable act, assuming you're successful, which a huge percentage of attempts are not. They most often leave you even worse off than before. Not a happy thought.
And that's important to keep in mind because our works, while not the test for in and out, will none the less be tested. We will be held to account for how we stewarded that which God gave us, including our lives, and we will suffer gain or loss accordingly. Some as thru the fires of hell. That's not a happy thought either.
So no, suicide will not keep you out of "heaven", but make no mistake, it won't be a free ride home either.
And again, John 12:25. Most people want to suicide because they hate their lives. God tells us that if we hate our worldly lives because of Him, we're on the right track. And pissing off the enemy by our very presence. That's why satan and his minions don't want us to be present.
Persevere. That's what Jesus says in Revelation, persevere.
In that we will overcome
The one, and only qualifier for "getting in" is accepting Christ. That's it. In the eternal, once we accept Christ, sin has no power over us. It's a done deal. But in the here and now, there are consequences. If you submit to a spiritual authority in sin, you're submitted to that spiritual authority. Now, most every other sin has the luxury of our being able to later confess and repent of it, breaking that submission. But the sin of self murder - not so much. That's an irrevocable act, assuming you're successful, which a huge percentage of attempts are not. They most often leave you even worse off than before. Not a happy thought.
And that's important to keep in mind because our works, while not the test for in and out, will none the less be tested. We will be held to account for how we stewarded that which God gave us, including our lives, and we will suffer gain or loss accordingly. Some as thru the fires of hell. That's not a happy thought either.
So no, suicide will not keep you out of "heaven", but make no mistake, it won't be a free ride home either.
And again, John 12:25. Most people want to suicide because they hate their lives. God tells us that if we hate our worldly lives because of Him, we're on the right track. And pissing off the enemy by our very presence. That's why satan and his minions don't want us to be present.
Persevere. That's what Jesus says in Revelation, persevere.
In that we will overcome
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Just ftr, I tried to kill myself once. Obviously failed. While hardly a day goes by that I don't wish it had worked, I will confess that God has gone on to use me to bring some incredible blessings to both myself and others. And I am thankful for that opportunity(s). And these days, when the world and it's rulers dump on me, I bear a smile and say I wouldn't have it any other way. Because I know the ultimate hellhole is already reserved, just for them.
Don't delay Lord Jesus. Cut short the days for Your elect, bear us up with angels until then.
Amen
Don't delay Lord Jesus. Cut short the days for Your elect, bear us up with angels until then.
Amen
S
For clarification: I do not condone suicide! Most people who commit suicide are very sick people, either mentally, physically, or both. I have been greatly affected by suicide during my life. I will give you just a few examples:
1. My sister in law developed post-partum depression and sought medical help. Nothing seemed to help her. She was seeing demons and thought she couldn't take care of her child. She had many mental problems and was hospitalized several times in this six month period. She was a very devoted Christian woman, yet she jumped off a bridge in the middle of the night leaving behind a six month old and her husband.
2. I teach at a high school where we deal with special cases. (Abused kids, kids on drugs, pregnant teenagers, kids with kids, kids with parents in jail, homeless kids, emancipated minors, and many others who are in danger of not graduating.). One day I ran into the bathroom because a student was trying to drown herself in the toilet and another student found her. We had to physically pull this child out and I stayed and talked to her while we waited for the ambulance. She was very hurt and angry. She felt that no one listened to her and she stated she was going to keep trying until she succeeded. She felt unloved. She got some help and has recently returned to school. Praise God!
3. At the beginning of the school day, I noticed one of my students was very pale and not acting right. When I talked to her I found out that she had been cutting herself for some time. That morning she had actually slit her wrists and then decided she did not want to die. She was afraid to tell anyone, so she bandaged herself up, wrapped in several layers of clothing, and went to school. We called her parents and sent her to the hospital where she was treated and given blood. She could have died if untreated.
4. One of my current students started coming to our school after repeatedly trying to commit suicide. He has been committed to mental facilities, several times since then, but now seems to be doing fairly well.
These are just a few examples. I would never want someone to commit suicide. I would never say it is okay. Every semester I tell my students how much suicide or the thought of it upsets me and that it isn't something to joke about. I resent that someone on here actually said that they would blame others on this site if someone committed suicide after reading our posts.
The question asked if someone would go to hell for committing suicide. My answer remains the same: NO. Committing suicide is a sin and all sins were paid for on the cross at Calvary. You can not pick and choose which sins Christ paid for. He paid for them all, big and small. I believe in eternal everlasting salvation through grace and faith in Jesus Christ. No one dies sinless. We sin all the time, every day. I do not believe that we will go to Hell because we couldn't ask forgiveness for or repent against our latest sins.
I am sorry if I offended anyone, it was not my intention. I don't want anyone to commit suicide! I feel blessed to work in a place where I can help teenagers. My job is super stressful, yet I could never leave these kids. I wish I could adopt them all and show them the love Christ meant for them to have. I pray for God to help everyone considering suicide.
1. My sister in law developed post-partum depression and sought medical help. Nothing seemed to help her. She was seeing demons and thought she couldn't take care of her child. She had many mental problems and was hospitalized several times in this six month period. She was a very devoted Christian woman, yet she jumped off a bridge in the middle of the night leaving behind a six month old and her husband.
2. I teach at a high school where we deal with special cases. (Abused kids, kids on drugs, pregnant teenagers, kids with kids, kids with parents in jail, homeless kids, emancipated minors, and many others who are in danger of not graduating.). One day I ran into the bathroom because a student was trying to drown herself in the toilet and another student found her. We had to physically pull this child out and I stayed and talked to her while we waited for the ambulance. She was very hurt and angry. She felt that no one listened to her and she stated she was going to keep trying until she succeeded. She felt unloved. She got some help and has recently returned to school. Praise God!
3. At the beginning of the school day, I noticed one of my students was very pale and not acting right. When I talked to her I found out that she had been cutting herself for some time. That morning she had actually slit her wrists and then decided she did not want to die. She was afraid to tell anyone, so she bandaged herself up, wrapped in several layers of clothing, and went to school. We called her parents and sent her to the hospital where she was treated and given blood. She could have died if untreated.
4. One of my current students started coming to our school after repeatedly trying to commit suicide. He has been committed to mental facilities, several times since then, but now seems to be doing fairly well.
These are just a few examples. I would never want someone to commit suicide. I would never say it is okay. Every semester I tell my students how much suicide or the thought of it upsets me and that it isn't something to joke about. I resent that someone on here actually said that they would blame others on this site if someone committed suicide after reading our posts.
The question asked if someone would go to hell for committing suicide. My answer remains the same: NO. Committing suicide is a sin and all sins were paid for on the cross at Calvary. You can not pick and choose which sins Christ paid for. He paid for them all, big and small. I believe in eternal everlasting salvation through grace and faith in Jesus Christ. No one dies sinless. We sin all the time, every day. I do not believe that we will go to Hell because we couldn't ask forgiveness for or repent against our latest sins.
I am sorry if I offended anyone, it was not my intention. I don't want anyone to commit suicide! I feel blessed to work in a place where I can help teenagers. My job is super stressful, yet I could never leave these kids. I wish I could adopt them all and show them the love Christ meant for them to have. I pray for God to help everyone considering suicide.