I should be aborted

[VioletReigns]

I just want to say it blesses my heart to no end how wonderfully kind and loving everyone here is being toward Gerlinde. Praise God! \/ I hope you feel accepted and safe her, Gerlinde my friend. And I pray the Lord Jesus touch and heal your precious heart.

 

[ChristIsGod]

Nobody is perfect. Also, I do not; I only see this (grin oppressive). I'm not saying that those who are pro-life are wronglife, for which they are not. I'm just saying that there are not just black and white, and that any woman who wants an abortion, has her reasons. And that must be included in the assessment of these reasons. No woman make an easy decission by that.

Yes, I had my reasons when I was 18 to have 2 abortions - I understand what I went through - I wasn't a Christian then, obviously and had no knowledge of what any God thought about my 'free love' generation and what it would cost in lives in every area of life. I suppose that since, I've fought more for geriatric and disabled people's rights to stay alive if they want to because I don't see that the Christians have stopped or helped much in the abortion area to change anything -- it just became the slippery slope that we feared most back in the 70's to the point of partial birth and after birth killing and life becomes less and less precious by the moment, ever since. Like Hitler's reign - this world as a whole are so desensitized to death of humans - that now I'm even seeing more and more torture of animals as well. I can't open my email's homepage without seeing these stories daily now and parents killing their own older children is on the increase everywhere, nonetheless puppy's and kittens. Life means nothing more and more and the school systems have been playing out "life boat choices" and the such for at least 20 or more yrs.
I guess it all boils down to how and when a person views life and the pain in other's lives in general.

 

[Gerlinde]

But did your mother actually want an abortion, and was refused? Or are you just looking back and wishing you had never been born?

When my mother died (I was not allowed to be present at the funeral and burial), my sister Regine searched her documents. She found a copy of a police station in Berlin, was in the that my mother has displayed for rape four men with dark skin, members of the French army, and that she wanted an abortion. The policeman, typical man who did not believe her, and refused to consent to abortion. In the diary registrations, my mother, my sister found several sections about the fact that they would both like aborted us. That made me a better understanding of her feelings for us.

That is depression speaking, which is a result of all that childhood trauma and abuse. I wrote about depression in another post, and I want to know I am here for you, as a child of God, someone who trusts that God is in control, no matter what the pain and circumstances.

I am a survivor of emotional, physical and sexual abuse, as my sister Regina ("Gina" called by us). Of course it caused some trauma. And of course, each person reacts differently to it. My sister was the first "oversexed" (actually they sought only love), and I compensated through various activities my hate. Both survival strategies.

The Bible is the revelation of Jesus to all who would believe. Then we have a relationship with the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. God wants you to come home to him, and be his child. And one day, he will wipe every tear and sorrow away, and we will be with him forever.

Interestingly, it was in a German magazine an article about the history of the Bible where a theologian testified; that much has been composed in the Bible, too. Here is the article:

Bibel: Wie die Heilige Schrift entstand - SPIEGEL ONLINE

I quote:

SPIEGEL: The kings were so real?

Knauf: Yes, even the reigns are essentially consistent. But from Genesis to Joshua, that the alleged land grab, I would not ask for facts. There were historical cores, but in the story was invented just so. Joshua is also about design alternatives to the Torah, how to integrate people instead of killing them. The Archaeology sets now suggest that the tribes of Israel arose there, where the Bible locates them in the land of Canaan. Up until the 12th century. V. Chr. It was an Egyptian province, after which the Israelites could spread there.

What should I believe? What is the truth, what is a fairy tale?

 

[Angela53510]

Gerlinde, I have been testing the Bible for 34 years, and God has never proved me false in his Word.

I also went to a conservative Seminary, where I studied the Bible in Greek and Hebrew. It is still right.

German scholarship was responsible for the so-called "higher criticism" of the Bible. It was basically a way to tear the Bible apart and not put it back together. It was an elite intelligensia, which had the goal of destroying the credibility of the Bible.

If you want to read a good German theologians, try Bonhoeffer, who opposed Hitler. His "The Cost of Discipleship" is one of the outstanding books about how to really follow Jesus, even if it costs you everything. Bonhoeffer was killed in April, 1945 by Hitler, only days before the Allies liberated his prison.

As for you, I do pray that you will seek a relationship with Jesus Christ, which is who the Bible reveals. Jesus is the Great I AM, the healer of our souls. Worldly psychiatry and medicine do not have the answers for inner healing, that Jesus does. And this is something I can vouch for from both study, my own walk with Jesus, and my work as a chaplain, with the hurting and broken!

 

[Gerlinde]

For me, only one thing, if something is credible or not credible: Is there evidence? Archaeologists, historians, who have had studied the ancient texts, and theologians (such as German American and European), who are very familiar with the ancient biblical texts; have more doubts about the credibility of the Bible, as they believe every word literally.
And that's the problem!
Something to be taken literally, without seeing the textual and cultural context, and / or to use the correct translation.
That is why I have doubts; and so far none of you could even qualify one of my doubts or dispel. On the contrary!
The only thing that came from you was: BELIEVE. But how can I believe in something, for there are so many counter-evidences.?

 

[psychomom]

That is why I have doubts; and so far none of you could even qualify one of my doubts or dispel. On the contrary!

The only thing that came from you was: BELIEVE. But how can I believe in something, for there are so many counter-evidences.?

well, you're right, Gerlinde. not one of us will be able to fully convince you,
because belief...faith...is God's own gift.

if ever you become so weary of the treadmill of this life,
i hope things spoken in times past will be brought to your mind.

i hope, and i pray that at that time, you will ask God to show you the Truth.
not in a Mormon 'burning in the bosom' way...but the real Truth...Jesus the Christ.

 

[SoulWeaver]

For me, only one thing, if something is credible or not credible: Is there evidence?

You dont understand faith. If you KNOW something 100%, then it is not faith.
This is coming from an ex-agnostic so please bear with me.

Faith is the METHOD for ACQUIRING KNOWLEDGE of God.
When you invest faith, God responds by revealing proof and evidence which highly surpasses in assurance the mere faith that you invested in the beginning, and it is amazing.
Similar to how you have to invest experiments and testing to acquire scientific knowledge and find the sure ground.
And there are more methods to gaining knowledge than just left brain ones. To dismiss other epistemological methods is not very scientific, either.
If you want science-type of proof, you will not find it, except in law of probability and which details and prophecies about Jesus have been fulfilled, and their number.
God is qualitative, not quantitative. He cannot be measured. Science measures things which puts them into little boxes of what we know. God is infinite and a priori being, and therefore not an object of science or left-brain realization.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Everything created in this world points at intelligent design. Yet people did not choose to know God through it.
So this is how God chose it, the means to come to Him is faith. Not by big studies, not by high wisdom, not by being rich, not by being young or old, not by being good-looking, not by your own smarts, not by your own deads, not by "earning" to know Him, so everybody has equal chances. And it pleased Him so because God is not some force, He is a person too and has His own character. And one of His personal traits is that He is not a respecter of persons.

I can list to you every possible testimony. I can list to you overwhelming proof for messianic prophecy with book backups. If somebody doesnt want to believe, they will reject plain evidence.
Nobody can convince you, you have to bring that decision for yourself. Like one day I brought the decision to follow Him whether He was real or not: I believed. Then God showed me proof, even in retrospection.
I have found my old notes with the dreams I wrote down in the past while being an unbeliever as I could not understand them. When I have started reading the Bible as a believer, I found that I dreamt some detailed specifics from the Bible which were unknown to me at the time because I didnt even have one and have I known this from the Bible I'd be able to understand the dreams, but I didnt and God led me to write it down. The dreams also spoke about my spiritual state back at the day accurately.
Sowing faith, reaping assurance and evidence.
But that even might be the least of assurances which He gave to me.

Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Jesus is firstly a historical person. And I used to think with my left brain about His words and go logically. So when you read the words He wrote, there are 3 possible options. One is that He was utterly crazy. Another is that He was a con artist. Third is that He was who He claimed to be.
The second one can immediately be rejected. Tell me Jesus was crazy, but dont you ever tell me He was just some calculated man. Because He wasnt. Con artists seek their own glory, they do not reject praise of men and do not reject offers to become kings. And oh yes they love money when Jesus didnt even have two pairs of sandals.
Then think about the first one, was He crazy? I do not think so. He never attempted to control anybody or force people do things. A crazy person or a religious fanatic would try to exercize control in order to maintain their cult. However, Jesus displays spiritually and emotionally healthy behaviors, as described by any psychologist. He does not hate His enemies, He does not judge, He does not avoid responsibilities, He is disciplined but also has healthy balance and knows when to relax, He does not submit to society standard and instead of pleasing people He chooses to do the right thing. Cultic lunatics do not act in this healthy way.
Then we have the only last possible option, that He really was who He claimed to be. Some have issue with Him wanting to be put first by His followers, but if He was who He claimed to be, then this is understandable and reasonable. He wanted genuine love and righteousness always to be put before what people say.

I suggest you start reading the Gospels. Just read them.
I believe it will do you good.
God Bless

 

[Marian29]

My mother wanted abort my sister and me. My sister, because she was the result of a rape by dark-skinned French soldiers, and because I was unwanted. My mother had believed to my father, who, like most men; was a great egotist. Had my mother allowed to abort us! Our life was shit! More than this !!!! We were unloved, were hated by our mother and we were beaten for all sorts of things. I remember, for example, on a story, which have had happened in our kitchen. I must have been about four years old. My mother took a wooden hanger, and beat it broken on the back of my sister. And that's only because she do not want what my mother wanted. And I was struck by her often. But not only my mother was brutal. My father was much worse. He not only beat us; but raped us children for years. It would have been better if my mother had aborted us, it would save us both a lot of suffering remained.

No live should be aborted! No matter how much evil has happened, there's a lot, I know... and I totally understand your position. Any one would like to disapear, to not be in your own skin... that's terrible, so sad... but we DO HAVE A HOPE, and it is greater than wer can EVER imagine: JESUS. I want to hug you right now sister... You're a winner, you have lot to share and to help others who lived and still live in the same situation you lived. May The Light of Jesus be Upon You. God bless you.

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." Rev. 21:4

 

[Angela53510]

For me, only one thing, if something is credible or not credible: Is there evidence? Archaeologists, historians, who have had studied the ancient texts, and theologians (such as German American and European), who are very familiar with the ancient biblical texts; have more doubts about the credibility of the Bible, as they believe every word literally.
And that's the problem!
Something to be taken literally, without seeing the textual and cultural context, and / or to use the correct translation.
That is why I have doubts; and so far none of you could even qualify one of my doubts or dispel. On the contrary!
The only thing that came from you was: BELIEVE. But how can I believe in something, for there are so many counter-evidences.?

Read the "Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel. He gets into the evidences you seem to need. Another good book to read is "Archeology and the New Testament" by John McCray. He goes through the amazing archeological finds which confirm the New Testament.

On example is the procurator, Gallius in Greece. Historians thought for years this was a fabrication, because no one knew of a procurator in that area of Greece at that time. Then a stella was discovered which confirmed not only the name, the position, but also the date. In fact, this small artifact is being used to accurately date the entire New Testament.

Gallio Inscription

Every new archeolgical study seems to confirm the Bible. 200 years ago most of the Bible cities were not found, and that includes Ceseara Maritima, which Herod the Great built. Today, the Bible is a reference for uncovering the remains, as it has been proved the Bible is right with regards to location, climate, archeological site locations and the lifestyle of the people.

German archeologists have been on the attack against the Bible for years. And they have been proven wrong over and over.

Please read the two books I mentioned. They are detailed, show many pictures in the second book. Personally, I would say you have never been exposed to the evidence that shows the Bible is right

But even if I proved definitively that every single word in the Bible was true, it would still not be enough to be a Christian. You would be a convinced skeptic.

Believing in Christ is always a step of faith. I pray that you will take this step, and come to know Jesus as Lord and Saviour.

 

[maxwel]

Read the "Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel. He gets into the evidences you seem to need. Another good book to read is "Archeology and the New Testament" by John McCray. He goes through the amazing archeological finds which confirm the New Testament.

On example is the procurator, Gallius in Greece. Historians thought for years this was a fabrication, because no one knew of a procurator in that area of Greece at that time. Then a stella was discovered which confirmed not only the name, the position, but also the date. In fact, this small artifact is being used to accurately date the entire New Testament.

Gallio Inscription

Every new archeolgical study seems to confirm the Bible. 200 years ago most of the Bible cities were not found, and that includes Ceseara Maritima, which Herod the Great built. Today, the Bible is a reference for uncovering the remains, as it has been proved the Bible is right with regards to location, climate, archeological site locations and the lifestyle of the people.

German archeologists have been on the attack against the Bible for years. And they have been proven wrong over and over.

Please read the two books I mentioned. They are detailed, show many pictures in the second book. Personally, I would say you have never been exposed to the evidence that shows the Bible is right

But even if I proved definitively that every single word in the Bible was true, it would still not be enough to be a Christian. You would be a convinced skeptic.

Believing in Christ is always a step of faith. I pray that you will take this step, and come to know Jesus as Lord and Saviour.

Gerlinde,

I have to agree with Angela.
There are some very well written books that will answer most of your questions.

If you GENUINELY want answers... the answers are available.

 

[Reborn]

Angela53510-
Read the "Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel. He gets into the evidences you seem to need. Another good book to read is "Archeology and the New Testament" by John McCray. He goes through the amazing archeological finds which confirm the New Testament.

maxwell-
If you GENUINELY want answers... the answers are available.

Awesome answers.

 

[Kaycie]

I feel your pain. My mom had four kids, I was the third. She always told me and my brother that she only wanted two kids and that my dad made her have two more. I was not molested as a child but I was kidnapped and raped at age 16. My mom never went to the police and filed a missing persons report. The guy kept me in a basement for years and I couldn't leave or turn on lights. He beat me so bad my child was born with his liver on the outside of his stomach. Doctors say it is from having great falls when he was developing and the skin wasn't strong enough yet to keep his organs inside with such force.

I remember walking in the rain at night when I was a homeless teen before I got kidnapped. She kicked me out so that her rich boyfriend would marry her. I was so cold and depressed. I slowly walked across the street without looking for cars and sat on a curb. Tears trickled down my face along with the rain. And I thought the same thing- why didn't she abort me, why didn't she give me up for adoption if she didn't wasn't me? Through the blur of my teary eyes I saw something on the ground. When I blinked my focus came into view. It was a piece of broken glass. Slowly I put it to my wrist and looked up toward heaven.

I asked God why not, no one wants me, my own mother doesn't even want me. I looked back at my wrist and slowly wiped raindrops off of it with the broken glass. With each stroke I pressed harder. I caused a scratch that showed a little blood. Just then a cop car showed up and shined its brights on me. Because the light was so bright I could only see two silhouettes in the car, but not their faces. It felt like a stare down that lasted for eternity, but it was probably five minutes. I dropped the glass and then they drove away. To this day I don't think it was cops, I think it was angels. The bible does say the help us on the earth.

So I talked further with God. I told Him I don't see the point, no one wants me, I have no where to go, but before I could continue, I got this strange feeling in my stomach that I never had before. And the thought came to me that if I live and someday have a child, but that didn't happen because I died now, wouldn't that be killing a person who was meant to be? Years later I got that feeling in my stomach again, and I remembered my conversation with God. And somehow I knew I was pregnant, before I missed my period, before I took a test. I have never again had that feeling.

Now I look at it this way, someone does want me, God wants me. Satan knows that and is very active in trying to get rid of me or get me to give up. It is like if you spill water on the table and you have a towel in your hand, what are you going to go after first- the water sitting in the middle of the table, or the water heading for the edge where you don't want it to go the most? Satan goes after the hearts who are bright with God's love and active in doing His good. God did not want you aborted. He did not want me aborted. I am now on here and spreading his truth- that is what Satan tried to stop before it happened. He can tell who the strong souls are.

 

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