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K
Wetiko is nothing more than common sin. I'd be careful what I believe in.The link you posted says....
As if performing a magic ritual, in exploring the entity of wetiko, we first have to invoke its spirit and enter into relationship with it. We must contemplate and engage wetiko as objectively as we are able, as if it exists outside of ourselves, lest we get too "mixed up" with the object of our contemplation.
Stay away from anything where a spirit is invoked.Sin is sin period.Don't need a Native Indian to tell me what sin is.
(***leon has face in palm wondering if Jehovah is having a laugh...***)
Wetiko is used to describe the brain dead mob mentality that has taken hold over most societies such as anything for a dollar, worshiping celebrities and taking their narcissistic mumblings as gospel and so on.
It describes a disease of willing stupidity in which the afflicted find joy and one halfwit seeks to spread this by turning others into halfwits. A spiritual and intellectual HIV/AIDS if you like to describe it.
(***leon thinks how can he tell Christians about the actual practices of magic... and should he even bother....after all...they are content with internet rumours spread by trolls***)
Wetiko is used to describe the brain dead mob mentality that has taken hold over most societies such as anything for a dollar, worshiping celebrities and taking their narcissistic mumblings as gospel and so on.
It describes a disease of willing stupidity in which the afflicted find joy and one halfwit seeks to spread this by turning others into halfwits. A spiritual and intellectual HIV/AIDS if you like to describe it.
(***leon thinks how can he tell Christians about the actual practices of magic... and should he even bother....after all...they are content with internet rumours spread by trolls***)
K
Well Leon you are the first person on here to call me a troll. I'd ask my fellow CC friends who know me here,have I ever exhibited troll like behavior?
But please do enlighten me about magic practices.I know what the Bible says,is that what you wish to share?
My point remains,its sin.We dont need any other word to describe it.
A
You're using the word clergy too broadly making your assertion false with respect to mainline Protestant denominations, for example, in which the vast majority of clergy are married. In fact, it's not unusual for more than 95% of the senior pastors in a mainline Protestant denomination to be married.
You're really talking about the Catholic Church. And there your assertion is true. However, not primarily for the reason that you stated. You see, it is well documented that homosexuals began entering Catholic seminaries in large numbers decades ago precipitating the child abuse scandals that later followed.
The Catholic Church did not and still does not vet their priests properly with respect to homosexuality and when they are discovered, the Catholic Church doesn't even enforce their own policy.
Even after a priest committed homosexual acts or sex crimes against minors, they were often relocated by the Catholic Church to begin anew in many instances.
The John Jay Report of 2004 documented that homosexual men entered the Catholic priesthood in noticeable numbers in the 1970's and 80's which resulted in the sweeping sexual abuse and sexual immorality scandals around the globe [1].
So it's no surprise that studies by Wolf and Sipe from the early 1990s suggest that the percentage of priests in the Catholic Church who admitted to being homosexual or were in homosexual relationships was well above the national average for the United States of America.[2]
Elizabeth Stuart, a former convener of the Catholic Caucus of the Lesbian and Gay Christian movement claimed, "It has been estimated that at least 33 percent of all priests in the RC Church in the United States are homosexual."[3]
One report suggested that since the mid-1980s Roman Catholic priests in the United States were dying from AIDS-related illnesses at a rate four times higher than that of the general population; with most of the cases contracted through same-sex relations, and the cause often concealed on their death certificates.[4]
And both past and present studies have shown a much higher rate of pediphilia amongst homosexuals per capita than hetrosexuals [5].
They even made their way to the highest levels of the Catholic Church pressuring the pope himself which resulted in the scandal leading to the last pope's retirement [6].
The Roman Catholic church has a homosexual priest problem currently and the present pope is opening the door to more of it rather than reforming the existing problem. The result will be a second wave in due time.
The common variable, of course, is homosexuality.
1. John Jay Report, 2004, http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...nd-Deacons-in-the-United-States-1950-2002.pdf
2. J. Wolf, Gay Priests, New York, 1989; R. Sipe, A Secret World: sexuality and the search for celibacy, New York, 1990
3. Stuart, Elizabeth. Roman Catholics and Homosexuality, quoted by Kate Saunders in Catholics and Sex.
4. "Report: Priests hit hard by hidden AIDS epidemic". Actupny.org. 2000-01-31. Retrieved 2013-02-11.
5. http://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/s...cs/issues/v14n2/Vol. 14, No. 2, 3 Baldwin.pdf
6. Papal resignation linked to inquiry into 'Vatican gay officials', says paper | World news | The Guardian
You're really talking about the Catholic Church. And there your assertion is true. However, not primarily for the reason that you stated. You see, it is well documented that homosexuals began entering Catholic seminaries in large numbers decades ago precipitating the child abuse scandals that later followed.
The Catholic Church did not and still does not vet their priests properly with respect to homosexuality and when they are discovered, the Catholic Church doesn't even enforce their own policy.
Even after a priest committed homosexual acts or sex crimes against minors, they were often relocated by the Catholic Church to begin anew in many instances.
The John Jay Report of 2004 documented that homosexual men entered the Catholic priesthood in noticeable numbers in the 1970's and 80's which resulted in the sweeping sexual abuse and sexual immorality scandals around the globe [1].
So it's no surprise that studies by Wolf and Sipe from the early 1990s suggest that the percentage of priests in the Catholic Church who admitted to being homosexual or were in homosexual relationships was well above the national average for the United States of America.[2]
Elizabeth Stuart, a former convener of the Catholic Caucus of the Lesbian and Gay Christian movement claimed, "It has been estimated that at least 33 percent of all priests in the RC Church in the United States are homosexual."[3]
One report suggested that since the mid-1980s Roman Catholic priests in the United States were dying from AIDS-related illnesses at a rate four times higher than that of the general population; with most of the cases contracted through same-sex relations, and the cause often concealed on their death certificates.[4]
And both past and present studies have shown a much higher rate of pediphilia amongst homosexuals per capita than hetrosexuals [5].
They even made their way to the highest levels of the Catholic Church pressuring the pope himself which resulted in the scandal leading to the last pope's retirement [6].
The Roman Catholic church has a homosexual priest problem currently and the present pope is opening the door to more of it rather than reforming the existing problem. The result will be a second wave in due time.
The common variable, of course, is homosexuality.
1. John Jay Report, 2004, http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...nd-Deacons-in-the-United-States-1950-2002.pdf
2. J. Wolf, Gay Priests, New York, 1989; R. Sipe, A Secret World: sexuality and the search for celibacy, New York, 1990
3. Stuart, Elizabeth. Roman Catholics and Homosexuality, quoted by Kate Saunders in Catholics and Sex.
4. "Report: Priests hit hard by hidden AIDS epidemic". Actupny.org. 2000-01-31. Retrieved 2013-02-11.
5. http://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/s...cs/issues/v14n2/Vol. 14, No. 2, 3 Baldwin.pdf
6. Papal resignation linked to inquiry into 'Vatican gay officials', says paper | World news | The Guardian
So, you're saying that Catholic priests are likely (at about 30% likelihood) to be homosexual? Sounds more like sexually repressed homosexuals are likely to become priests.
Correlation does not necessarily imply causation. You can't distinguish for certain whether it was the being homosexual in and of itself that drove these priests to paedophilia, or like their straight counterparts, whether it was the repression or conditions of priesthood, or something else entirely. I'd still wager repression (religious or social) plays a bigger role in sexual dysfunction or paedophilia than does being attracted to the same sex.
I know and personally socialize with, currently, seven gay people, four girls and three men. Each of them are sexually active, and none are sexually repressed. None exhibit strange sexual behaviours, none tend to couple with people far younger than themselves, none are overly dysfunctional in their relationships (no more than straight people that I know), none are socially stunted. They seem really, apart from their orientations, no different than the straight people I know.
Correlation does not necessarily imply causation. You can't distinguish for certain whether it was the being homosexual in and of itself that drove these priests to paedophilia, or like their straight counterparts, whether it was the repression or conditions of priesthood, or something else entirely. I'd still wager repression (religious or social) plays a bigger role in sexual dysfunction or paedophilia than does being attracted to the same sex.
I know and personally socialize with, currently, seven gay people, four girls and three men. Each of them are sexually active, and none are sexually repressed. None exhibit strange sexual behaviours, none tend to couple with people far younger than themselves, none are overly dysfunctional in their relationships (no more than straight people that I know), none are socially stunted. They seem really, apart from their orientations, no different than the straight people I know.
I wasnt making the troll comment at you, I was just remarking that a lot people make errors regarding spiritual activities and practices. They are by default trolls because they seek to spread rumours by speaking as 'experts' in things they have no idea about. Sorry for any confusion.
What about kabbalah? Is it sinful?
Better tell the jews...
What about kabbalah? Is it sinful?
Better tell the jews...
Here's an article that describe my point of view:
The 50 Shades of Grey movie releases this week and I feel thoroughly icky about it.
When the book came out a while back, part of me wondered whether I should read it. I have read a trashy novel or two in my time, but the lustre of smooth-chested literary lust lost its appeal a while back. I wondered whether I should read it because so many of the women I knew were reading and talking about it. I wondered whether I would be able to participate in any conversation, even if it was to hold out a redemptive view of sex, if I hadn’t read it and was thus disqualified from commenting from the get-go.
But for some reason, I feel I need to comment on the movie—even though I have no intention of seeing it. I know enough about myself to know that I am deeply affected by the things I see—no matter how philosophical or detached I try to make myself. I know that watching commercials with beautiful things often leaves me feeling discontent with what I have. I know that that watching horror movies makes me afraid and sad. I know that watching stories where terrible things happen to women and children make me blind with anger and heavy with hopelessness.
And I know that watching movies with lots and lots of unhealthy sex will elicit feelings (illicit feelings!) of desire and fear.
Desire and fear don’t belong together.
I know, too, that once you’ve seen something you can’t unsee it. And for me, the echoes of the image on the walls of my mind bring with them echoes of the feelings that accompanied them. I don’t want sex and fear to go together in my heart or in my head.
I believe that God made sex to be beautiful, celebratory and intimate. As an expression of marital love, it is meant to be all the things that 1 Corinthians 13 says: not self-seeking, not arrogant, not easily angered.
Sex is meant to be an expression of love, and perfect love casts out fear. A sexual relationship laced with fear is not one where love will find expression.
I am all for amazing sex, and I believe God is too. Perhaps one helpful analogy is to think of sex like Lake Tahoe. We live within driving distance of one of the deepest lakes in the world: It is a gorgeous body of water surrounded by the most glorious mountains.
Lake Tahoe is stunning for many reasons, not least of which is the fact that it is a stunning, crystal-clear, shimmering blue lake. It is also a popular tourist destination spot, and is vulnerable to all sorts of pollution. Californian and Nevadan drivers alike sport “Keep Tahoe Blue” stickers on their cars: an appeal to the world at large to consider what they dump in the lake … because the water is deep, and once the gunk gets in there, the entire lake is affected.
It is, by definition, adulterated.
Sex has all the potential beauty of Lake Tahoe: something of vast beauty, but deeply vulnerable to human pollution. The way I see it, seeing 50 Shades of Grey would dump a toxic load into the lake. You can’t unsee the filth once it’s in there.
Skip the Grey, and Keep Tahoe Blue.
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By Bronwyn Lea
Bronwyn Lea is a South-African born writer-mama, raising three littles with her husband in California. She is grateful for all God’s good gifts: including grace, laughter, lattes, ice-cream, puns and sex. She blogs about life, faith and family at bronlea.com, and would love to connect with you on Facebook, Twitter andPinterest.
The 50 Shades of Grey movie releases this week and I feel thoroughly icky about it.
When the book came out a while back, part of me wondered whether I should read it. I have read a trashy novel or two in my time, but the lustre of smooth-chested literary lust lost its appeal a while back. I wondered whether I should read it because so many of the women I knew were reading and talking about it. I wondered whether I would be able to participate in any conversation, even if it was to hold out a redemptive view of sex, if I hadn’t read it and was thus disqualified from commenting from the get-go.
But for some reason, I feel I need to comment on the movie—even though I have no intention of seeing it. I know enough about myself to know that I am deeply affected by the things I see—no matter how philosophical or detached I try to make myself. I know that watching commercials with beautiful things often leaves me feeling discontent with what I have. I know that that watching horror movies makes me afraid and sad. I know that watching stories where terrible things happen to women and children make me blind with anger and heavy with hopelessness.
And I know that watching movies with lots and lots of unhealthy sex will elicit feelings (illicit feelings!) of desire and fear.
Desire and fear don’t belong together.
I know, too, that once you’ve seen something you can’t unsee it. And for me, the echoes of the image on the walls of my mind bring with them echoes of the feelings that accompanied them. I don’t want sex and fear to go together in my heart or in my head.
I believe that God made sex to be beautiful, celebratory and intimate. As an expression of marital love, it is meant to be all the things that 1 Corinthians 13 says: not self-seeking, not arrogant, not easily angered.
Sex is meant to be an expression of love, and perfect love casts out fear. A sexual relationship laced with fear is not one where love will find expression.
I am all for amazing sex, and I believe God is too. Perhaps one helpful analogy is to think of sex like Lake Tahoe. We live within driving distance of one of the deepest lakes in the world: It is a gorgeous body of water surrounded by the most glorious mountains.
Lake Tahoe is stunning for many reasons, not least of which is the fact that it is a stunning, crystal-clear, shimmering blue lake. It is also a popular tourist destination spot, and is vulnerable to all sorts of pollution. Californian and Nevadan drivers alike sport “Keep Tahoe Blue” stickers on their cars: an appeal to the world at large to consider what they dump in the lake … because the water is deep, and once the gunk gets in there, the entire lake is affected.
It is, by definition, adulterated.
Sex has all the potential beauty of Lake Tahoe: something of vast beauty, but deeply vulnerable to human pollution. The way I see it, seeing 50 Shades of Grey would dump a toxic load into the lake. You can’t unsee the filth once it’s in there.
Skip the Grey, and Keep Tahoe Blue.
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By Bronwyn Lea
Bronwyn Lea is a South-African born writer-mama, raising three littles with her husband in California. She is grateful for all God’s good gifts: including grace, laughter, lattes, ice-cream, puns and sex. She blogs about life, faith and family at bronlea.com, and would love to connect with you on Facebook, Twitter andPinterest.
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It's true that smoke doesn't necessarily imply fire, but usually it does. Homosexual men entering the priesthood in large numbers correlated exactly with a sudden marked increase in episodes of same-sex pedophilia. It would be immoral and negligent to ignore that correlation in an attempt to prop up political correctness.
I'm stating that the statistics are clear that men who engage in homosexual behavior entered Western Catholic seminaries and the priesthood at per capita numbers far transcending their percentage of the general population and shortly afterwards victimization claims of sexual abuse by Catholic priests in Western countries skyrocketed.
Also note that reports show Catholic priests in the U.S. since the mid-1980s have died from AIDS-related illnesses at a rate four times higher than that of the general population with almost all of the cases documented revealing the contraction occurred through homosexual acts. A follow up study, funded by the Kansas City Star, found AIDS-related death rate among priests was "more than six times" the rate among the general population in the fourteen states studied.
It is what it is. You'll have to provide documentation that supports your hypothesis for why that is and how it trumps competing alternative hypothesis which are already well supported.
I'm stating that the statistics are clear that men who engage in homosexual behavior entered Western Catholic seminaries and the priesthood at per capita numbers far transcending their percentage of the general population and shortly afterwards victimization claims of sexual abuse by Catholic priests in Western countries skyrocketed.
Also note that reports show Catholic priests in the U.S. since the mid-1980s have died from AIDS-related illnesses at a rate four times higher than that of the general population with almost all of the cases documented revealing the contraction occurred through homosexual acts. A follow up study, funded by the Kansas City Star, found AIDS-related death rate among priests was "more than six times" the rate among the general population in the fourteen states studied.
It is what it is. You'll have to provide documentation that supports your hypothesis for why that is and how it trumps competing alternative hypothesis which are already well supported.
R
I did not read it, nor do I want to read it. I want to share my behind the door fantasies with my husband, Not saying this book has any of my kind of fantasies....I wouldn't know, because I haven't read it 
I think a book and a movie like this is just another door opening up for the devil. Hes got the men for the most part, why not start on the women.....
I think a book and a movie like this is just another door opening up for the devil. Hes got the men for the most part, why not start on the women.....
The Bible Itself frankly discusses sexual issues both what is acceptable and pleasing to God and what is unacceptable and abhorrent to God. See 1Cor Chapter 5. The issue which determines appropriateness is whether the intent is to edify, exhort, or deal with a problem; or whether the intent is to titillate or arouse or entice.
