50 Shades of Grey is Women's Porn

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Elijah19

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OK, so one of the most popular books on the market right now among women is "50 Shades of Grey," which is soon be hitting the big screen as a movie as well. It is very hotly followed by a large number of women for it's primarily sexual content and drama, all of which are sinful in nature. In fact, most of the women in my church from twenty to eighty, whether they have husbands or not, have an infatuation with the main character Christian Grey and his carnal appetite, secretly desiring that the things in that book would happen to them. I hear them talking about it in church lately like it's as plain as discussing the weather, and right beside their husbands no less!

Now let it simply be asked, how is this any different from pornography? The book may not have any pictures, I grant you, but pornography is not limited to visual content...

You see, the sin in Pornography is not in looking at a picture, but in lusting within the heart. Since lust of the heart is the main sin of pornographic content, whatever media it comes through must be considered sinful. Add to that the fact that although men are visual creatures, women are emotional, so a drama about sex in written form is basically "their" form of personalized pornography. Most women in the world would become angry if they caught their husbands reading Playboy and calling it "literature". Yet give one of my female friends from church a copy of "50 Shades," and watch her husband and Jesus go out the windows of hear heart, and "Mr. Grey" (or shall we say Satan) come in.

A woman who reads "50 Shades" and is a Christian does the same thing as a married Christian man who chooses to view pornography to lust over. The people in the book and on the screen are not their spouses, yet their fantasy is full of fornicating with them. Any woman who reads "50 Shades" and calls herself Christian would be a hypocrite to think she could criticize her husband over watching porn when she is just committing the same sin herself! Although I'm not saying the husband would definitely deserve a serious rebuke!

A man can be made jealous after his wife's heart by the sin of pornography as well, no different from a woman. Do not think for one minute that only men commit sexual sin in terms of carnal media subject material. If you are a Christian woman out there who is married before God to your Christian husband, make your first love Christ and your second love the man you said "I do" to! If you have desires from the book's subject matter that you want fulfilled, it is your husband's job to strive and please you with those methods, not Satan's!
 
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Ugly

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Did you read it?
 
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Ugly

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Porn and masturbation are both topics regularly discussed on these forums. Both are big problems among Christians. Deciding that these topics aren't appropriate for Christian places only serves to make people stuck in them feel even more isolated, ostracized and have more trouble finding help and answers during a time when they may already feel far from God. If people can't come to other Christians with their problems then what purpose are we serving as Christians if we shoo away those people?

And so you know, the top 7 tags searched for on this site are..
Christian
Dating
Divorce
God
Jesus
SEX
Single
 
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Elijah19

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No I didn't read it, but I get an earful on it.

Also, yes Christian Chat is actually the perfect place to discuss this because it's supposed to be a support place against sin for Christians. Actually, Christian Chat is probably the best place besides church to discuss it, because an honest talk against the things of the world is exactly what sinful people need.

Candid speech may be offensive; but it is also the best medicine, and the only type of discussion which Christ supports. All else is lies and sugar-coating.

Christians need to stop being afraid of talking about sex openly, because the devil sure isn't. You wanna let him do all the talking?
 
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IloveGodforever2015

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Amen to that
 
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IloveGodforever2015

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Are there any Pentecostal Christian ladies looking for friendship? Between the ages of 31-37
 

jsr1221

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Like Ugly said, people feel isolated with addictions like these. I don't think you're going to have many women coming and saying they read it.
 
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kaylagrl

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OK, so one of the most popular books on the market right now among women is "50 Shades of Grey," which is soon be hitting the big screen as a movie as well. It is very hotly followed by a large number of women for it's primarily sexual content and drama, all of which are sinful in nature. In fact, most of the women in my church from twenty to eighty, whether they have husbands or not, have an infatuation with the main character Christian Grey and his carnal appetite, secretly desiring that the things in that book would happen to them. I hear them talking about it in church lately like it's as plain as discussing the weather, and right beside their husbands no less!

Now let it simply be asked, how is this any different from pornography? The book may not have any pictures, I grant you, but pornography is not limited to visual content...

You see, the sin in Pornography is not in looking at a picture, but in lusting within the heart. Since lust of the heart is the main sin of pornographic content, whatever media it comes through must be considered sinful. Add to that the fact that although men are visual creatures, women are emotional, so a drama about sex in written form is basically "their" form of personalized pornography. Most women in the world would become angry if they caught their husbands reading Playboy and calling it "literature". Yet give one of my female friends from church a copy of "50 Shades," and watch her husband and Jesus go out the windows of hear heart, and "Mr. Grey" (or shall we say Satan) come in.

A woman who reads "50 Shades" and is a Christian does the same thing as a married Christian man who chooses to view pornography to lust over. The people in the book and on the screen are not their spouses, yet their fantasy is full of fornicating with them. Any woman who reads "50 Shades" and calls herself Christian would be a hypocrite to think she could criticize her husband over watching porn when she is just committing the same sin herself! Although I'm not saying the husband would definitely deserve a serious rebuke!

A man can be made jealous after his wife's heart by the sin of pornography as well, no different from a woman. Do not think for one minute that only men commit sexual sin in terms of carnal media subject material. If you are a Christian woman out there who is married before God to your Christian husband, make your first love Christ and your second love the man you said "I do" to! If you have desires from the book's subject matter that you want fulfilled, it is your husband's job to strive and please you with those methods, not Satan's!
So I saw this book mentioned on FB by family and friends.Heard so much about it I went and read a small excerpt.Now all I heard was 50 shades constantly,I didn't know the content,I guess no one wanted to say it out on FB.So as I said I read an excerpt of what all these hens were going on about.Now Im not a writer but I am an avid reader so here's my take on the book from what I've read and heard discussed on tv.Not only is the book very poorly written,sounds like an amourous teenager wrote it, it promotes abuse of women in my opinion.That bothers me as much as the porn issue.There is constant talk on entertainment shows of a" pleasure room".There are scenes of being tied up,slapped and other "pleasures".

When I heard talk of this book I thought of the woman that were found tied in that basement in Cleveland.I doubt they would consider their experience "pleasure" filled.Im just saying what are we teaching young women today? Is that all you are worth? All these woman who fought for the vote and women to be equal with men and now we're back at square one.A woman being a sex object.Ive heard women say this book is "liberating".I dont see how a man punishing and commanding a woman and tying her up is liberating.It is sending a wrong message to young women,that your only value to a man is sexually.The book is sophomoric and is terribly written and sends all the wrong messages to woman.Its demeaning.After two paragraphs I had more than enough.I upset a few hens for sure when I gave my opinion of it on FB. Really are women so immature these days? smh
 
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MadParrotWoman

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I'm going to be honest here: Pre Christian I would have read it. Now I wouldn't go near it or the movie. Yes it's porn for women and IMO shouldn't have a place in church or among Christians.
 
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Kaycie

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Wow, I definitely agree. I never read it but heard about it on TV, I think even the Today Show. I thought it was about a married couple, I did not know it included other people. Still it felt wrong to me, and discussed me to hear about that book. My sister is into romance novels that include love scenes, and I had the same thought when she had me read one- this is a form of porn. After having that conversation with her she asked me to read another book, and she was sure to mention that it was rated PG. She said after our conversation she got rid of those books because it bothered her conscience where her marriage was concerned. She is not a Christian so I'm glad she had enough conscience to do that.
 
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Okay...here's the deal with 50 Shades of Grey. I've read the series, btw.

1. It's a TERRIBLE book. I don't mean morally speaking. I mean it's terribly written, has little/no real character development, has little/no figurative language, etc. Basically it's an "episodic" novel. Also, the writer began the story as a fan-fiction response to Twilight...so there you go.

2. It's ARCHETYPAL. Basically, the arc of the three books is "Beauty and the Beast." It's basically a "beastly" man saved by the love of a good woman.

3. It's "radical" because it brought kinky sex to middle-class, white women. (As an aside: There are seriously like 20-30 page sex scenes in the novels...it's not remotely sexy. It's like a beat-down actually).

Christians want to point to the sex in the book and pretend that is what is "dangerous" about it. It's not. That's a smoke screen. If we can keep you talking about the overt, kinky sex in the book, maybe you won't notice the really scary content underneath. What's dangerous about this book is that it basically posits the idea that women can "save" men....which is a very, very old and appealing story. Women become involved in all kinds of unhealthy relationships because of this underlying belief. Men become disappointed and cynical about women because they can never find one who will save them from themselves. Now it's being repackaged and presented to a new generation. We're razzle-dazzled by the woohoo sexy sexy of the book, so we don't realize that the underlying idea sets both men and women up for unrealistic (and potentially abusive) relational issues.

People are making a big deal about this book because of the sex scenes. However, if you've been a reader of romance (as I have) the trend for more sex and less actual content has been in the industry for YEARS (15 or more). Because of this, "vanilla" or "normal" sex seems dull, so kinkier stuff has an attraction for people. But, honestly, I'm not worried about the woman who gets the paddle for the bedroom. I'm more worried about the young girl who meets the mean, difficult, deeply troubled man and presumes that she can save him with her love. THIS is why you should object to the novel.
 
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So I saw this book mentioned on FB by family and friends.Heard so much about it I went and read a small excerpt.Now all I heard was 50 shades constantly,I didn't know the content,I guess no one wanted to say it out on FB.So as I said I read an excerpt of what all these hens were going on about.Now Im not a writer but I am an avid reader so here's my take on the book from what I've read and heard discussed on tv.Not only is the book very poorly written,sounds like an amourous teenager wrote it, it promotes abuse of women in my opinion.That bothers me as much as the porn issue.There is constant talk on entertainment shows of a" pleasure room".There are scenes of being tied up,slapped and other "pleasures".

When I heard talk of this book I thought of the woman that were found tied in that basement in Cleveland.I doubt they would consider their experience "pleasure" filled.Im just saying what are we teaching young women today? Is that all you are worth? All these woman who fought for the vote and women to be equal with men and now we're back at square one.A woman being a sex object.Ive heard women say this book is "liberating".I dont see how a man punishing and commanding a woman and tying her up is liberating.It is sending a wrong message to young women,that your only value to a man is sexually.The book is sophomoric and is terribly written and sends all the wrong messages to woman.Its demeaning.After two paragraphs I had more than enough.I upset a few hens for sure when I gave my opinion of it on FB. Really are women so immature these days? smh

I don't think bondage or BDSM are abusive in and of themselves. Many women like to feel overpowered and dominated by men during sex, and many men nowadays have this idea that women have no such sex drive or are much too fragile to be treated as such. That simply isn't true. However, in that the book portrays the female character as submissive in all aspects of her life, and as without her own sense of self, and as totally reliant and dependent upon ''Mr Grey'', the book does romanticize psychological dependency, does portray the woman as nothing but a toy or a sex object, and does emphasize the idea that women need a man to validate their existence.

In that regard, it is not healthy to emulate such a relationship, but I see no issue with sex being what people want it to be, and that-- the brash statement the book makes about what many womens' desires in bed really ​are -- is why it has sold so many copies.

It is liberating in that it gives women a platform to say ''yes, we want this from you, sexually'', but it is also oppressive in that it paints a picture of a woman totally devoid of her own sense of self. If the female character had been independent it would not be so dangerous as it is. But then, what do you expect from Twilight fan fiction? Have you ever seen Bella in the movies? She's utterly without her own thoughts!
 
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Nautilus

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So I saw this book mentioned on FB by family and friends.Heard so much about it I went and read a small excerpt.Now all I heard was 50 shades constantly,I didn't know the content,I guess no one wanted to say it out on FB.So as I said I read an excerpt of what all these hens were going on about.Now Im not a writer but I am an avid reader so here's my take on the book from what I've read and heard discussed on tv.Not only is the book very poorly written,sounds like an amourous teenager wrote it, it promotes abuse of women in my opinion.That bothers me as much as the porn issue.There is constant talk on entertainment shows of a" pleasure room".There are scenes of being tied up,slapped and other "pleasures".

When I heard talk of this book I thought of the woman that were found tied in that basement in Cleveland.I doubt they would consider their experience "pleasure" filled.Im just saying what are we teaching young women today? Is that all you are worth? All these woman who fought for the vote and women to be equal with men and now we're back at square one.A woman being a sex object.Ive heard women say this book is "liberating".I dont see how a man punishing and commanding a woman and tying her up is liberating.It is sending a wrong message to young women,that your only value to a man is sexually.The book is sophomoric and is terribly written and sends all the wrong messages to woman.Its demeaning.After two paragraphs I had more than enough.I upset a few hens for sure when I gave my opinion of it on FB. Really are women so immature these days? smh

IM just going to say there is a huge difference between the quasi-consensual form of bdsm discussed in the novel and then the kidnappings you try to relate it with. A bit more understanding of your conversation topics may be in order. You would be surprised how many couples incorporate bdsm in some form or another into their relationships.
 
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Now let it simply be asked, how is this any different from pornography? The book may not have any pictures, I grant you, but pornography is not limited to visual content...
It is porn, but it is not a book. It's horribly written, plagiarized Twilight fanfiction that was turned into a cruel mockery of books. And it isn't just porn, either; it's a depiction of an abusive relationship between a vapid ingénue and her handler. If I haven't already made it abundantly clear by now, I HATE this book with the fiery passion of a thousand suns.

"Mr. Grey" (or shall we say Satan) come in.
That is an insult ... to Satan. Even evil has standards.
 
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kaylagrl

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Okay...here's the deal with 50 Shades of Grey. I've read the series, btw.

1. It's a TERRIBLE book. I don't mean morally speaking. I mean it's terribly written, has little/no real character development, has little/no figurative language, etc. Basically it's an "episodic" novel. Also, the writer began the story as a fan-fiction response to Twilight...so there you go.

2. It's ARCHETYPAL. Basically, the arc of the three books is "Beauty and the Beast." It's basically a "beastly" man saved by the love of a good woman.

3. It's "radical" because it brought kinky sex to middle-class, white women. (As an aside: There are seriously like 20-30 page sex scenes in the novels...it's not remotely sexy. It's like a beat-down actually).

Christians want to point to the sex in the book and pretend that is what is "dangerous" about it. It's not. That's a smoke screen. If we can keep you talking about the overt, kinky sex in the book, maybe you won't notice the really scary content underneath. What's dangerous about this book is that it basically posits the idea that women can "save" men....which is a very, very old and appealing story. Women become involved in all kinds of unhealthy relationships because of this underlying belief. Men become disappointed and cynical about women because they can never find one who will save them from themselves. Now it's being repackaged and presented to a new generation. We're razzle-dazzled by the woohoo sexy sexy of the book, so we don't realize that the underlying idea sets both men and women up for unrealistic (and potentially abusive) relational issues.

People are making a big deal about this book because of the sex scenes. However, if you've been a reader of romance (as I have) the trend for more sex and less actual content has been in the industry for YEARS (15 or more). Because of this, "vanilla" or "normal" sex seems dull, so kinkier stuff has an attraction for people. But, honestly, I'm not worried about the woman who gets the paddle for the bedroom. I'm more worried about the young girl who meets the mean, difficult, deeply troubled man and presumes that she can save him with her love. THIS is why you should object to the novel.

Humm Id say if we blend my point and yours we'd have it about right.lol Thats my opinion.But you do bring up a different angle I didnt see before.I'd say that was perceptive. Thanks for sharing.
 
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IM just going to say there is a huge difference between the quasi-consensual form of bdsm discussed in the novel and then the kidnappings you try to relate it with. A bit more understanding of your conversation topics may be in order. You would be surprised how many couples incorporate bdsm in some form or another into their relationships.
2 things:
1) Not surprised hearing your answer, knowing your liberal demeanor.
2) How do you know what couples are doing behind closed doors?
 
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2 things:
1) Not surprised hearing your answer, knowing your liberal demeanor.
2) How do you know what couples are doing behind closed doors?
1) Irrelevant. What couples do consensually in the bedroom is free-reign to experiment.
2) The interweb? Magazines? TV? Newspapers? The sales figures for Ann Summers? His own sex life?

What he said is true, regardless of your issue with it.