Can a person be both Liberal and Christian?

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CharlieGrown

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Would you prefer to hold up the repub policies next to those of Jesus? Which ones - their legalization of abortions, their imperialistic terrorism on the Middle East, their enriching of the wealthy at the expense of the poor ??? Only those lacking in even the slightest degree of common sense would do that. Right wingers may think they have a right to say Jesus was one of them. He would say "I never even knew ye".
In a word, No, I would not prefer to.
 
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CharlieGrown

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Yes, but it wouldn't be a Christian who has broken the grid to paraphrase Nancy Pearcey.
Not sure if that's for me Des, but I have been fruitful and multiplied. :D
 
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I'd say no. I still see many liberals who wont acknowledge the evil / wickedness of their party and play the blame game. Christ is truth & some liberals ignore truth and rather stay faithful to their worldly party.
 

peacenik

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I'd say no. I still see many liberals who wont acknowledge the evil / wickedness of their party and play the blame game. Christ is truth & some liberals ignore truth and rather stay faithful to their worldly party.



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CharlieGrown

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Yeah, i was joshin'. I don't know much of anything about Nancy Pearcy except that she is a proponent for increasing the population...I think...
 

Mo0448

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While as a Christian I see that abortion and many of the other issues facing society today are unChrist like...I do know that Jesus never forced anyone to accept or follow him...that's why its called Love. Christ offers us the gift of eternal life by accepting him as Lord and Savior...he doesn't force or demand that they accept him...in fact he does the opposite...he conveys Love...a Love where He accepts someones refusal of his offer of eternal life (which I'm certain hurts Christ).

Scriptures tell us that in John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life...there's nothing there suggesting we are forced to accept or believe it...if someone makes the conscious choice to NOT accept and to NOT believe it...well Christ accepts their choice...

Going back to the original comment...while I am against abortion...I cannot force people to accept that view in any way because as Christ gives us all choices and freewill to accept or turn down his offer of eternal life so does everyone have a choice to sin or to turn away from sin
 

Desdichado

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It's worth noting to guide this discussion that not all Republicans are conservative. Not all conservatives are Republican. Not all conservatives are Christian conservatives.

Though it is true that someone can consistently occupy all three categories (we'll see how long that lasts). Many do.

Similarly, not all Democrats are Progressive. Not all Progressives are Democrats. Not all liberals are Secular Humanists.

Though it is true that people occupy all three categories for the sake of ideological consistency.

The trouble is that both ideological persuasions and consequently both parties are becoming less Christian.
 

Desdichado

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Heck, we have trouble defining what they are all about. Where it all gels.

We know what we oppose (which is important), but few of us understand who we are and what we believe. That is, I think, the next step.
 

peacenik

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You still haven't answered the question why your supporting a criminal liberal. You're one of many who plays the blame game

You are supporting a right wing criminal who has 75 legal cases​ pending against him. No true Christian would do anything like that. For Republicans to say he is more representative of Christian teaching as opposed to those of the Democrats is a total absurdity.
 

Desdichado

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We're all reduced to choosing the lesser of two evils on the basis of survival.

Not a good overall direction.
 
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You are supporting a right wing criminal who has 75 legal cases​ pending against him. No true Christian would do anything like that. For Republicans to say he is more representative of Christian teaching as opposed to those of the Democrats is a total absurdity.
There you go again lol. I'm not going down that road again. You can have fun in your Clinton fantasy land.
 
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CharlieGrown

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We're all reduced to choosing the lesser of two evils on the basis of survival.

Not a good overall direction.
Then maybe you agree, this is happening TO us and not by us which is the misconception? It's a powerful spell.
 

peacenik

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I'm not going down that road again. You can have fun in your Clinton fantasy land.

There you go again ... LOL
 

Desdichado

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Then maybe you agree, this is happening TO us and not by us which is the misconception? It's a powerful spell.
Well, it's a combination of the two in my mind. The citizenry must uphold moral and civic standards. They ultimately determine the course the culture takes. Political outcomes are, as they say, downstream from those cultural trends. Tyrants will always lay in wait, but the overall environment they are in can determine whether or not people will buy what they're selling.

It's comparable to what they say about possession. Demons always exist and they'll take advantage of wayward souls. People who involve themselves in the occult or routinely engage in unrepentant sin are opening special doorways.

So yeah, it's being done to us. But we also suffer their presence.
 

peacenik

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Liberal Democrat Harry S Truman said, if you want to live like a Republican, vote Democrat.




He sure had a good point:


Fact Check: Democrats Have Created Twice As Many Jobs As Republicans Since 1950’s




Democrats are better for the economy. This statement is not an opinion, but a fact. According to economist Steven Stoft, who created a series of graphs charting job creation under each party over the last 72 years (during which time Democrats and Republicans have held control for 36 years each), Democrats have created 58 million jobs while Republicans can only claim 26 million.
For roughly the last century, electing a Democrat has been the better option for the economy, with Dems creating more than double the jobs than that of Republicans, and faster.
Even when taking the percent change of number of jobs held, or scaling population (to avoid counting an increased population, thus falsely indicating an increase in jobs), Democrats still prove more successful than Republicans in job creation, and by a wide margin.


Another way of studying job creation is to take unemployment into account. When a Democrat is in the White House, logically unemployment decreases as well. By this rational, of course, when a GOP takes the Oval Office unemployment rises (and has risen under this party) since 1945.

Indeed, this extends to state and federal levels—the top 20 years of national GDP growth have all been under a Democrat. This is not only true for GDP, but for all economic growth in general—extending to the stock market, income growth and debt as a percentage of GDP.
As if you needed more proof that the blue party is better for the economy, simply turn to the numbers over the last 70 years. When it comes time for Election Day, it’s a matter of fact that with every Democratic ballot cast, it’s almost guaranteed the country will be in a better economic position than if a Republican is sworn in.






Fact Check: Democrats Have Created Twice As Many Jobs As Republicans Since 1950's



Patriotism - Liberalism - Christianity = all very fitting together.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Im not liberal or conservative I choose which ever party makes sense and stands for my religious freedom, and the constitution. So far the conservative party hands down lines up with this. I dont care about the political parties and in fact this is another reason why I like Trump because neither party wanted him to get this far. Maybe because he will bring justice to all the corruption. This election has set in motion the beginning of freedom. Either by Trump or the people. This election has so many people involved its like no other. We are ready to clean the white house of the political filth. And yet Hillary finds herself in another scandal and liberals still want to vote for a criminal. Something wrong with this? I think so. Its so funny to watch the liberals right now freaking out about these new emails. Hillarys polls are dropping and one poll dropped 11 points in 1 day. That's crazy! Most polls only show them 1 point apart with still 6 days to go. Polls still dont mean much since they are polling off of last years election and Hillary will not pull in the same kinda votes Obama did with the black and Hispanic community. The black lives matter and black panther group has publicly announced their support for Trump. Latinos are disenchanted with Hillary Clinton after eight years of an Obama presidency where he promised immigration reform the first year, and he didn’t even come close to that.


 

peacenik

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Hillary finds herself in another scandal and liberals still want to vote for a criminal. Something wrong with this? I think so. Its so funny to watch the liberals right now freaking out about these new emails.



Some people are preoccupied with emails, others with this:







along with the 175 other lawsuits pending against Trump - no true Christian can possibly support such a criminal




As for Latinos, Hillary has FAR more of them in her corner, especially in states such as California, NY, and Florida.