Heartbroken and Filing for divorce

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Angela53510

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To everyone, including the OP:

PLEASE USE SPACES BETWEEN THE LINES! MAKE PARAGRAPHS!

Please use spaces between the lines! Paragraphs! So much easier to read!

With regards to the OP's husband, he sounds like text book abuse/narcissist. God does NOT expect anyone to stay with an abuser. Sadly, it is not really dealt with much in the Bible, but no one should be faced with a lying, cheating man, who uses and just gives you enough rope to haul you back in.

Please read this link on the Cycle of Abuse. I know you will recognize it.

Cycle of Abuse

As for you presidente, advising someone to be "more submissive" in order to save the marriage, indicates you do not understand or have a clue about the dynamics of abuse. That is exactly the way to get hurt, and escalate to physical abuse. A man who can call his wife those horrid names, could get much worse, if he doesn't get his way.

Another excellent book to read, by a Christian pastor is "A Cry for Justice" by Jeff Crippen.

I pray you stay away from this man, and value yourself above a marriage which seems doomed to destroy you.
 
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Presidente,



Not all marriages cant be saved and not all marriages are meant to be...I think u know this. Don't try to doom this lady to a life of prison. I know what God says about adultry. Why did God prohibit the Israelites from marrying other nations? Marriages of this sort leads God's people away from God. God has not changed concerning mixed marriages of pagan believers. Again, she knew something was wrong before marrying the guy. How much plainer can she be about the voice of God?
 

presidente

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Presidente,

Not all marriages cant be saved and not all marriages are meant to be...I think u know this. Don't try to doom this lady to a life of prison.


She's choosing to leave her husband. It's not a matter of 'saving' a marriage that is doomed to end. It's a matter of them both walking with the Lord together and improving their relationship. If he ran off and left her, she doesn't have control over that.

There are people dying over in Syrian getting their heads cut off for the sake of the name of Jesus. I hear some of the ones being persecuted are rejoicing to be counted worthy. When you compare it to that, staying in a difficult marriage where you don't trust your spouse doesn't sound quite so bad, IMO. Situations being difficult don't justify disobeying God.

I'm looking your handle. What do you think God would have said to the Israelite in Moses' day who said it was really hard to keep the Sabbath, and he didn't want someone to 'put him in prison' to keep the Sabbath every single week. Do you think God would let him off the hook for saying such things?

I know what God says about adultry. Why did God prohibit the Israelites from marrying other nations? Marriages of this sort leads God's people away from God. God has not changed concerning mixed marriages of pagan believers. Again, she knew something was wrong before marrying the guy. How much plainer can she be about the voice of God?
There is no evidence that this is a Jewish woman married to a Canaanite. She's married to a man who professes to be a believer who has sinned, and they are having difficulty getting along.
 
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She's choosing to leave her husband. It's not a matter of 'saving' a marriage that is doomed to end. It's a matter of them both walking with the Lord together and improving their relationship. If he ran off and left her, she doesn't have control over that.

There are people dying over in Syrian getting their heads cut off for the sake of the name of Jesus. I hear some of the ones being persecuted are rejoicing to be counted worthy. When you compare it to that, staying in a difficult marriage where you don't trust your spouse doesn't sound quite so bad, IMO. Situations being difficult don't justify disobeying God.

I'm looking your handle. What do you think God would have said to the Israelite in Moses' day who said it was really hard to keep the Sabbath, and he didn't want someone to 'put him in prison' to keep the Sabbath every single week. Do you think God would let him off the hook for saying such things?



There is no evidence that this is a Jewish woman married to a Canaanite. She's married to a man who professes to be a believer who has sinned, and they are having difficulty getting along.
You are mistaken. This is not a case of me wanting to leave because we don't get along. My husband and I were not "playing." He got angry at me because I told him I wanted space so he got really loud and in my face so I walked away to avoid it escalating. That is when he took the cup of icewater and threw it at me one of the huge fast food cups filled with ice. I went into the room but he followed me and that is when he took a towel and repeatedly hit me in the face with it. I was lying in bed trying to avoid a huge confrontation and just give him space. It was very scary, his rage. I seriously feel that it could escalate if he doesn't get help. Thing is he has to WANT help and be serious about it. This is not normal anger anything that instills fear in you is not normal. He has even kicked me out of the car a few times before. Are you saying I should keep taking it until it gets worse? It already is. I want more than anything for the marriage to work but what we want is not always healthy for us.
 

Angela53510

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You are mistaken. This is not a case of me wanting to leave because we don't get along. My husband and I were not "playing." He got angry at me because I told him I wanted space so he got really loud and in my face so I walked away to avoid it escalating. That is when he took the cup of icewater and threw it at me one of the huge fast food cups filled with ice. I went into the room but he followed me and that is when he took a towel and repeatedly hit me in the face with it. I was lying in bed trying to avoid a huge confrontation and just give him space. It was very scary, his rage. I seriously feel that it could escalate if he doesn't get help. Thing is he has to WANT help and be serious about it. This is not normal anger anything that instills fear in you is not normal. He has even kicked me out of the car a few times before. Are you saying I should keep taking it until it gets worse? It already is. I want more than anything for the marriage to work but what we want is not always healthy for us.
Fadingheart, you really need to leave this abuser. God does NOT want you to stay in a marriage with a violent man.

Here are some links about what God's Word really says about staying with an abuser.

Identifying Abuse and Grounds for Divorce

What Scripture Supports Separation from a Destructive Spouse? | Leslie Vernick- Christ-Centered Counseling


As for you, presidente, who constantly unwisely tells these women to save the marriage over themselves. And if they just "submitted" more, the marriage would change, and so would the husband, think on this!

Only God can change a person, not the outward behaviour of a wife or another person. In those links, it says that a man beat his wife for doing exactly what she said. So submission is NOT the answer, but rather leaving and being safe. No one deserves to live in fear, terror and with the turmoil of an abusive marriage.

That is perversion, and I have heard this story over and over, of women staying and dying because they hoped their husband would change.

Human life is sacred, a marriage is not! How will you feel if one of these women you so wrongfully have advised to stay with their abusive spouse, dies at that man's hands??

Because women die because of abuse. Being abused has NOTHING to do with standing for Christ. You shame the name of God by comparing the martyrs in Syria to an abused woman. Those people, men, women and children, are being massacred for their faith. An abused women is being destroyed by a self centered, egotistical and violent man. Not for the cause of Christ!

Please ladies, read these links, get some support from a support group. It is hard to leave, but God wants you to be safe, and at peace, not feeling threatened because you are caught in the hands of a twisted abuser. It is NOT the job of the wife to save and change the man, it is the job of God. The wife's job is to stay safe, and to work on her relationship with God.
 

Angela53510

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Here are some more verses, and some commentary on what the Bible says about being in ANY abusive relationship.

"We know that Proverbs is one of the books of wisdom, and the wisdom of Proverbs says this about separation:

Don’t befriend angry people or associate with hot-tempered people, or you will learn to be like them and endanger your soul (Pro 22:24-25).Some people love to harp on wifely submission even in light of abuse. This verse suggests that the wife of a hot-tempered man will learn to be like him and endanger her own soul.

A quick-tempered man acts foolishly (Pro 14:17A). Stay away from fools, for you will not find knowledge on their lips (Pro 14:7). Based on these verses, we can ascertain that the wife of a quick-tempered, foolish husband will not find knowledge on his lips.

A violent person entices their neighbor and leads them down a path that is not good (Pr 16:29). Based on this verse, we can ascertain that the wife of a violent man could be enticed and led down a path that is not good. After all, the husband is responsible for leading the wife according to those who harp on wifely submission. However, where is he leading her? That's a very important question that rarely gets adequately addressed.

Drive out the mocker, and out goes strife; quarrels and insults are ended (Pr 22:10). One definition or synonym for "Drive Out" in the Hebrew is divorce (# 1644 -garash). It's the same word used in Ez 44:22 to describe divorced.
 
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Well said Angela.


"The demon of heresy has mapped out the world, and has resolved to possess it as his kingdom. Those who are in his army are numerous. They are disgu9iised, and are subtle and persevering. They resist every divine influence, and employ every instrumentality in order to compass the ruin of even one soul. They possess a zeal, tact, and ability that is marvelous, and press their way into every new opening where the standard of truth is uplifted." Some men are so passive or have witnessed their own mom's being abused and accept this kind of behaviors against women. These kinds of marriages aren't healthy but dangerous..


Fadingheart,


Please stop making excuses for a very sick man. He does not love you. By your post, even in reality, you yourself don't believe he loves you. In the end, its your call. God says, He gives us blessings and cursings, chose life.
 
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Hi; firstly I want to thank you for being so brave and honest enough to share your story. Secondly I am very young and have never been married but what I can say I can relate to some extent. You say you have a daughter with him; I have a father who is like your husband except that he is a silent abuser; he is emotionally and financially abusive. Very irresponsible and untrustworthy. Me and my mom and little sister no longer live with him although my mom and him are still legally married and its in community of property. My mom got tired of the lies and constant lack of support. She would drive herself while pregnant; pay for everything and he would go out at odd hours of the night; come back the next day; go out gambling and financially ruin them. He is a silent person and will not shout back or respond; its like he is a destructive passive wall. So my mom moved into my grandfathers house with us and I constantly ecourage her to divorce him and because she is a christian she can remarry him just to get out of community of property; because should he die; she will be left with all of his debt. Like you she has supported him and forgiven and tried over and over again to make it work; even taking out a loan to help him clear his debt but he was very dis-honest about it all and she finally gave up. Like your husband my mother knows my father as a Christian; infact she sometimes tells me how irritated she used to get because he was always talking about the bible and Jesus (this is before she had a personal relationship with Jesus Christ). In short growing up in a situation like mine was and still continues to not be fun; I am constantly sadned by my mothers pain and how sad she seems; I feel her pain and want her to be happy. I want her to be free. I'm glad we don't live with my father because I would have to witness it constantly. In some ways it has affected me in that I fully understand more than my peers how important and hard marriage can be but at the same time I have grown a lot and know my rights; I have standards I keep to strictly because of witnessing my mothers trials. I'm over 18 and begging the process of taking my father to maintenance court as I'm tired of seeing my mother suffer financially. I will pray for and your daughter.
 

presidente

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With regards to the OP's husband, he sounds like text book abuse/narcissist. God does NOT expect anyone to stay with an abuser.
Is that the advice I Peter 2 gives? You seem awfully quick to speak for God. Can you really say that God would never lead anyone to do so? Do you think women who have testimonies of staying in difficult marriages whose spouses repented did the wrong thing? Couldn't the Lord have directed and empowered some of these women in their circumstances?

What really concerns me is people giving advice like this, implying that one should leave or divorce their spouse, just based on Internet posts.

I knew a couple once who had some marriage problems. One day, the wife came over with some bruises on her wrists. Her husband was a lot bigger than her. It was an awful situation. But it turns out the way she got the bruises was that she and her husband got in an argument in the car. She started hitting him while he was driving. They had a baby in the car. He bruised her wrists trying to keep her hands off him and save their lives. A lot of people, looking at the bruises, would have advised her to leave him.

I've also seen cases online where one person asks for advice, gives her perspective on her marriage situation and people advise divorce. But the other spouse comes online and the story turns out to be different. It's unprofessional to advise people to divorce based on an Internet conversation of this sort, especially since the physical aspects of the situation have been minimal-- throwing ice on someone, etc. There are situations where a reasonable person might throw ice or even wipe dog poop on someone. (Okay, that last one would be rare.) Also, if it's a woman doing it, people don't rush to offer the same sort of advice.

You also haven't asked what the situation was when he did these things. Did he just do this when she was talking calmly to him? Had she just yelled in his ear? Insulted his mother? Has she ever hit him? Has there ever been any other violence?

Sadly, it is not really dealt with much in the Bible, but no one should be faced with a lying, cheating man, who uses and just gives you enough rope to haul you back in.

Please read this link on the Cycle of Abuse. I know you will recognize it.

Cycle of Abuse
The chart probably also describes a lot of relationships where the couples don't really get along well and go through periods of arguing, whether or not one of them is an 'abuser.'

DV is not my area of research, but from what I've read, the Duluth model is based on extrapolating the pattern from one killer to all domestic violence situations. It's also based on the bogus feminist model that has to do with the patriarchy dominating women. A lot of the DV literature and philosophy behind organizations seems to be a lot more into promoting a feminist way of dealing with the issue than reality. Males are almost always presented as perpetrators of domestic violence and abuse, though a sizeable percent of women in DV homes are violent. Lesbian couples have more DV than other types of couples. When looking at domestic violence literature from feminist organizations, one needs to keep that in mind and evaluate the material rather than just accept it as gospel truth. As a teen, I was exposed to some rather anti-male domestic violence literature that a relative had gotten at some kind of safe house. The 'once an abuser, always an abuser' philosophy wasn't consistent with the Gospel.

As for you presidente, advising someone to be "more submissive" in order to save the marriage, indicates you do not understand or have a clue about the dynamics of abuse.
It indicates that I have read the scripture in question and believe what it says. Do you believe it is true or not? You also don't know the dynamics of the relationship and whether submission would actually help it.

That is exactly the way to get hurt, and escalate to physical abuse. A man who can call his wife those horrid names, could get much worse, if he doesn't get his way.
I agree that there are some serious problems in the marriage, and name calling like that is very damaging. If he doesn't have a history of violence (beyond the examples she gave), then is there a reason to think that he will suddenly become violent?

I pray you stay away from this man, and value yourself above a marriage which seems doomed to destroy you.
I'll pray he'll repent and their marriage will be restored.
 
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My dear sister before I respond to your OP could you please tell me about your walk with Christ? I would like to see where you are with God before I respond as my response is centered upon God's Word and my own personal experience with divorce, remarriage and abuse caused by the other party in both of my marriages.
 
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My dear sister before I respond to your OP could you please tell me about your walk with Christ? I would like to see where you are with God before I respond as my response is centered upon God's Word and my own personal experience with divorce, remarriage and abuse caused by the other party in both of my marriages.
Grrr I forgot to add examples of which I am asking. Do you attend church, do you read your Bible. Basically what is your own personal relationship with God?
 

blue_ladybug

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ABUSERS NEVER CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR! This man has serious issues. Some of you expect her to be submissive to him.. well, I think she HAS been submissive by walking away when he's angry, and trying to defuse his anger. However, she should NOT submit to any further physical and mental abuse from him, because clearly he is deeply troubled and IS a threat to society in general, and himself/ his family in particuluar. He does not seem interested in getting help for himself. Only God can help him, and he seems to not want God, either.

fadingheart, you need to turn him over to God and leave him before something even worse happens.. he's smeared dog poop on your face, thrown ice in your face, and even whipped you with a rolled-up towel to the face. What's he gonna do next? Hold your hand over a hot burner? Throw boiling water on you? Beat you senseless and break bones? Smarten up and leave his butt now!! Before he kills you. Wait until he leaves the house, then pack a suitcase and get out of there with the kids, and for heaven's sake, get a restraining order.
 
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Personally, if that were me in your situation I'd have got out of that marriage whether a scripture said it or not. When you have abused someone you have broken the covenant (agreement) that you made on your wedding day. I am a Christian but am not some religious person either. Some things are common sense, and if a person is dangerous you get away from them, you and your children, then think about forgiveness. You cannot forgive whilst the hostile action continues. Another way of saying forgive means to forget. So how can you forget something that is still happening.

If he will not adhere to his covenant before God, the terms he made before God, "I promise to love you...", then you should not blindly have to adhere to yours. For that matter, there is a monumental difference between being persecuted for God against psychopathic ISIS, with regards to being a martyr unto death, staying faithful. Get real! No one in free countries has stay in a persecuted marriage - as it's not really marriage anyway given that marriage means a unification between a couple. How can there be unity if the man is treating her like an animal. He threw poop in her face, he hit her repeatedly with a towel. That is criminal assault!


It would be nice if we shared the church, or even the planet Earth actually, with persons who didn't live in a religious bubble. We are not qualified to tell anyone what they should do, just because we can find a scripture that says what we want it to say, we are here to offer advice and no more. Perhaps some Christians would do well to remember: love your wives as Christ loves the church.

Is that the advice I Peter 2 gives? You seem awfully quick to speak for God. Can you really say that God would never lead anyone to do so? Do you think women who have testimonies of staying in difficult marriages whose spouses repented did the wrong thing? Couldn't the Lord have directed and empowered some of these women in their circumstances?

What really concerns me is people giving advice like this, implying that one should leave or divorce their spouse, just based on Internet posts.

I knew a couple once who had some marriage problems. One day, the wife came over with some bruises on her wrists. Her husband was a lot bigger than her. It was an awful situation. But it turns out the way she got the bruises was that she and her husband got in an argument in the car. She started hitting him while he was driving. They had a baby in the car. He bruised her wrists trying to keep her hands off him and save their lives. A lot of people, looking at the bruises, would have advised her to leave him.

I've also seen cases online where one person asks for advice, gives her perspective on her marriage situation and people advise divorce. But the other spouse comes online and the story turns out to be different. It's unprofessional to advise people to divorce based on an Internet conversation of this sort, especially since the physical aspects of the situation have been minimal-- throwing ice on someone, etc. There are situations where a reasonable person might throw ice or even wipe dog poop on someone. (Okay, that last one would be rare.) Also, if it's a woman doing it, people don't rush to offer the same sort of advice.

You also haven't asked what the situation was when he did these things. Did he just do this when she was talking calmly to him? Had she just yelled in his ear? Insulted his mother? Has she ever hit him? Has there ever been any other violence?



The chart probably also describes a lot of relationships where the couples don't really get along well and go through periods of arguing, whether or not one of them is an 'abuser.'

DV is not my area of research, but from what I've read, the Duluth model is based on extrapolating the pattern from one killer to all domestic violence situations. It's also based on the bogus feminist model that has to do with the patriarchy dominating women. A lot of the DV literature and philosophy behind organizations seems to be a lot more into promoting a feminist way of dealing with the issue than reality. Males are almost always presented as perpetrators of domestic violence and abuse, though a sizeable percent of women in DV homes are violent. Lesbian couples have more DV than other types of couples. When looking at domestic violence literature from feminist organizations, one needs to keep that in mind and evaluate the material rather than just accept it as gospel truth. As a teen, I was exposed to some rather anti-male domestic violence literature that a relative had gotten at some kind of safe house. The 'once an abuser, always an abuser' philosophy wasn't consistent with the Gospel.



It indicates that I have read the scripture in question and believe what it says. Do you believe it is true or not? You also don't know the dynamics of the relationship and whether submission would actually help it.



I agree that there are some serious problems in the marriage, and name calling like that is very damaging. If he doesn't have a history of violence (beyond the examples she gave), then is there a reason to think that he will suddenly become violent?



I'll pray he'll repent and their marriage will be restored.
 
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blue_ladybug

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forgiving does not necessarily mean forgetting. Forgiving someone just means you have enough compassion for them to forgive them of whatever they've done. As a victim of physical abuse myself, I know somewhat how the OP feels. I've forgiven the people who have hurt me, but I haven't forgotten what they did. I simply moved on past it, and I don't let it hold me back from entering the future..
 
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ABUSERS NEVER CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR! This man has serious issues. Some of you expect her to be submissive to him.. well, I think she HAS been submissive by walking away when he's angry, and trying to defuse his anger. However, she should NOT submit to any further physical and mental abuse from him, because clearly he is deeply troubled and IS a threat to society in general, and himself/ his family in particuluar. He does not seem interested in getting help for himself. Only God can help him, and he seems to not want God, either.

fadingheart, you need to turn him over to God and leave him before something even worse happens.. he's smeared dog poop on your face, thrown ice in your face, and even whipped you with a rolled-up towel to the face. What's he gonna do next? Hold your hand over a hot burner? Throw boiling water on you? Beat you senseless and break bones? Smarten up and leave his butt now!! Before he kills you. Wait until he leaves the house, then pack a suitcase and get out of there with the kids, and for heaven's sake, get a restraining order.
I have to agree with blue on this. The Bible tells a wife to be submissive to her husband but only if that man has her best interest at heart. As soon as he removed concern about your well being you no longer need to be submissive. The husband is to have his wives well being so much at the center that he is willing to die for her. Nope he isn't doing that so therefore you no longer need to be submissive. Also I want to add that being submissive does not mean you are a slave. It means knowing he has your best interest at heart that you want to follow his lead.

He is using fear to keep you there. He is using fear so much that he is using "suicide" to scare you into staying. So I can understand why it is difficult for you to leave. Men use fear all the time to get their own way. Once a man places fear in the heart of a woman that woman, to him, becomes an object which he can control. Sorry but nope that's not the way it works. Turn the tables on him. File a restraining order on him have the police escort you out of the house and place the fear upon him.

I am very protective just as God our Father is protective. God destroyed cities to protect His children from abuse.
 
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I have to agree with blue on this. The Bible tells a wife to be submissive to her husband but only if that man has her best interest at heart. As soon as he removed concern about your well being you no longer need to be submissive. The husband is to have his wives well being so much at the center that he is willing to die for her. Nope he isn't doing that so therefore you no longer need to be submissive. Also I want to add that being submissive does not mean you are a slave. It means knowing he has your best interest at heart that you want to follow his lead.

He is using fear to keep you there. He is using fear so much that he is using "suicide" to scare you into staying. So I can understand why it is difficult for you to leave. Men use fear all the time to get their own way. Once a man places fear in the heart of a woman that woman, to him, becomes an object which he can control. Sorry but nope that's not the way it works. Turn the tables on him. File a restraining order on him have the police escort you out of the house and place the fear upon him.

I am very protective just as God our Father is protective. God destroyed cities to protect His children from abuse.
Just to clarify he didn't wipe the dog poop on my face but he stepped in it barefoot and used his foot and wiped it on my chest to prevent me from leaving than he forcibly grabbed me and dragged me back inside. What Christian is saying is what I feel. I believe once I divorce I can forgive as I've felt this marriage has been dragging me down spiritually. Maybe once this happens I can build up my strength and faith and pray for him to be able to come to know God. I know I cannot do that staying there in a hostile environment.

My walk with God was hindering and it was just the last couple months that I've been really reading the bible and developing a relationship with him. In the marriage it seemed stagnant and I was becoming someone I wasn't.

I thank you all for your advice and ask for prayers as I am filing today. I pray that God can turn this mess into a testimony and a victory.
 
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Praying that God will be with you through this difficult time. That He will give you peace.

I would really like to encourage you to stay in your walk with God. Keep praying and reading His Word.

If there is any way possible myself or others can help you in His Word please do not hesitate to ask. I know from personal experience how difficult a time like this is and how important fellowship with other Christians is.
 
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What has not been considered here is what message this sends to the child who sees her dad verbally and physically abusing her mom. The repercussion this will have on any relationship she has. More than likely she will chose someone like her dad because she saw her mom put up with this. But I pray the damage done to this child's psychologically is not irreparable. This is one of the reason women end up in prison is by killing their abusive other. Wishing you the best fadingheart as you embark on a journey to finally live.

I have worked in shelters for abusive women and children. The children lash out at the parents because they are scared and frustrated and know no other way to express themselves. Many times the abused spouse ends up returning to the abuser even when she or he knows the abuser has not gotten treatment but is always saying they are sorry until they get angry again. Then the cycle starts all over again. Some parents go underground to hide from their abusers. Some end up dead because they really felt the abuser loved them. The abuser loved them to death. So those of you who advocate an abused person to return, you are for the most part clueless the dangers that lie ahead for the abused and their children.
 
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What has not been considered here is what message this sends to the child who sees her dad verbally and physically abusing her mom. The repercussion this will have on any relationship she has. More than likely she will chose someone like her dad because she saw her mom put up with this. But I pray the damage done to this child's psychologically is not irreparable. This is one of the reason women end up in prison is by killing their abusive other. Wishing you the best fadingheart as you embark on a journey to finally live.

I have worked in shelters for abusive women and children. The children lash out at the parents because they are scared and frustrated and know no other way to express themselves. Many times the abused spouse ends up returning to the abuser even when she or he knows the abuser has not gotten treatment but is always saying they are sorry until they get angry again. Then the cycle starts all over again. Some parents go underground to hide from their abusers. Some end up dead because they really felt the abuser loved them. The abuser loved them to death. So those of you who advocate an abused person to return, you are for the most part clueless the dangers that lie ahead for the abused and their children.

It's very hard because we see a kind gentle side and get confused and think maybe there's some good and hope they'll change. I filed today and he was difficult about having the papers served. He still needs to be served and said he doesn't believe that I filed. I pray that this will be a wakeup call that things need to change.