My husband's double life - is divorce the best option?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
P

Pijow

Guest
#1
I'm a 32 year old Christian woman, I have been married 7 years and inside it gave birth to two beautiful children. The past few weeks have been a series of events that have led me to the doors of separation and probably divorce... I'm seeking wise, experienced Christian advice. This is very long and if you read it all with some advice at the end, I will be very thankful.

When I got married, our relationship was wonderful. He was a generous, helpful and loving man. I had a very slight reservation about him not being a fully professed Christian, and maybe it was foolish, but I asked God to end it and prevent me from marrying if He did not wish for me to be in that relationship. My husband wasn't raised in any faith and I was a Christian, though he hadn't fully gotten to the point of submitting his life to Christ and God, he prayed with me, was supportive, and provided a safe loving home for both of us.

Slowly, I began to see things change a bit. When I was pregnant with my first child, he wouldn't touch me or give me any affection. It was heartbreaking and I was so incredibly lonely. He seemed to eventually snap out of it and I tried my best to accommodate both him and baby, but I always felt a bit of resentment on his part. I chalked it up to him being such a serious teen with many jobs and that he never really was able to enjoy a carefree young adult life and that he was thrown right into parenthood.

He had a lot of female friends from his past, and he knew my stance on them. I wasn't comfortable having him meet up with them alone and expected him to be respectful. I did the same for him. I also began to change the way I fought with people, making a conscious effort to not be passive-aggressive but more direct, so to make my relationship with my husband all the better during times of disagreement.

We had another child, and he constantly complained about sex. Even if we had it 3x a week, he'd complain it wasn't enough. He also criticized the way I initiated it and would make me cry. He made sure I knew I was a good mother but terrible wife, and he never let me forget that. No matter what I did for him, it was never good enough. He began to spend a lot of time with friends that I did not like--they lacked morals and showed it in their lifestyle (addiction, dishonest business dealings, theft, sexual immorality) and they always told me that my husband tried to keep them out of trouble. He would often go out 3x a week with them. He betrayed my confidence by spending $800+ a month on them just with beer and food at the bar. We were scraping by financially at this point and I really wanted to get out of debt. I told him I was beginning to have trust issues with him and that he was a father and husband and cannot live a life like that.

During this time in our marriage, his mood swings were unbearable. I would secretly hope he would leave me because his stonewalling me was so emotionally painful. He would emotionally manipulate me to get what he wanted and treated me like a servant. For months he would give me one word answers and I could feel him glaring at me all the time. I tried so hard to provide a nice, calm, clean loving house for him to come home to and to cheer him up, or to open up to me. It was beginning to be quite clear, from things he said, that he was angry with God, and also resented the fact I wasn't the same person he married--which I wasn't as I was still growing in God and had developed interests and passions that I was so excited about. I began walking around on eggshells around the house, and tried my best to avoid offending him which I did quite often with my actions and words, apparently.
I also had an incident where a spirit tried to assault me sexually in our bed while our entire family napped, and my daughter screamed. It was very frightening but my husband brushed it off and had nothing to say about it nor did he seem to care. I still loved him very much, and want the best for him and try everything to make our marriage work..everything seemed OK to stay with him, and I prayed to God a few times that I wanted my husband to live in Christ one day, and if it took something drastic, that I would be willing to even give my life for it.

A couple years pass, and I find a cash advance on our credit card from a casino for a few hundred dollars. I felt like my trust did not mean much to him. I asked him point blank what else I didn't know, and if he had cheated on me as well. He denied everything and then when he knew I had papers backing up the advance, he apologized saying it was one mistake.

A month later, I am giving sex 4-8 times a week. He is still criticizing me, asking why I don't wear lingerie anymore, or if I say after intercourse "that was fun" he would say "that doesn't count, it's in the day" and put on his clothes and go on with his day. One night in this same month, I lose my cell phone and he's sleeping. I use his cellphone to call mine, and as I close his programs I notice text messages from random numbers. I look closer to discover he had a sex date with an escort in 10 hours. I was shaking..devastated. I began going through his entire phone and found disrespectful texts between him and a coworker talking about girls, and another escort he was trying to sleep with. I searched all his bags and coat pockets and vehicle for more evidence but didn't find any. I wake him up, telling him not to go to the girl that morning, and that I love him and want our marriage to work out. He says he's sorry, that he is messed up and hates himself and wants to die. He goes out and buys affair books and relationship books for us to work on stuff, and we cease sexual relations for a week. He gave me passwords and let me look at his phone when he returned every day for 'complete transparency'. One night, while he was at work, I am going through his emails and find cybersex between him and a woman. He's telling her the most atrocious things and that I'm out of town. I called him crying and very angry, and he denied it. When I showed him the proof, he said he forgot that he did that. I said that no normal person would forget the first time they ever cheated. I then began to believe there was much more. I asked him to get his stuff and live with his parents the next day.

I beg him for more truth, and he keeps denying and finally, finally I find out he had exchanged inappropriate texts with a married female friend during my first pregnancy. They talked about previous sexual escapades (while she was married) they had that I never knew about (and I even asked him if they've ever had a history which he denied years before). Additionally, at least 3 women were sending him naked pictures which he was asking for, including one of our bridesmaids from our wedding party. I am quite confident there is more that I still don't know about. There is also porn involved. THEN, I find out he had a full out affair with a girl I knew of that I knew had a crush on him, and that he would go over there a lot over the course of 5 months and would also do it without condoms, putting me at risk physically. He'd lie and say he was at a friend's but stop at her house, have sex with her and then criticize me before bed about my sexuality the same night. I find out that a ton of people know about this, and he has humiliated me and made a fool out of me in front of all his friends! He also complained about what a bad wife I was to all of them. I was not a bad wife. I was committed and loving. I cannot articulate the betrayal I feel. During this disclosure, my son wakes and yells from his room that there is something shaking his bed and he was terrified. More supernatural attacking. My world crashed down and all I could think was 'this man does not love me! I need to save myself and the kids and run away from him as fast as I can!'

He has moved out and began seeing a therapist. I am not protecting him anymore, and now his parents, my parents and close family and friends know the truth. He claims he has lost everything and is very remorseful, but I feel like he's uncomfortable and just wants his easy life back. He has gotten a new cell phone and says he dropped all his bad friends. Says he's attending church, praying hard and reading his bible and searching out for good Christian men to hang out with. I suspect sex addiction alongside other addictions like alcohol, but also narcissistic characteristics as I really, REALLY notice a lack of empathy. After all this, even today, he asked if I would be willing to help him cross an item off his bucket list by going to see a favorite musician of his. Like I would feel honored or enjoy doing that with him?? It feels like there is a disconnect.

I don't know who this man is! I feel physically violated and ill... like my soul has been raped. I do not trust him, I can't imagine trusting him again. I gave myself fully to him to receive extreme heartache, emotional manipulation and shattered trust. I care about him still, but I don't know what to do. This guy has years of therapy ahead of him. If he becomes a true Christian, how will I know? I do plan to forgive, and I know Christ can do anything, but would he want me to forgive and go back to a man that could do that to me and his family? I know in the bible divorce was granted with Moses because of our human hardened hearts, so does Christ desire that I soften mine and forgive and submit to this man once again? Now I know I am not perfect by any means, but I know I am a beautiful, intelligent (though I feel like a fool for trusting this man for years), loving woman. At the age of 32, at what point am I wasting my time and/or putting my family at risk? What if I waited for 5 years and reconciled only to find out his was still morally bankrupt? My kids come first, but will I ever be able to experience the God-filled love of a wonderful husband.. someone who could never have found it in his heart to do those things to me?

I am in agony. My gut is telling me no. My head is telling me to give him a chance and be open to reconciliation in a few years. I am constantly flipping back and forth. I want a happy, healthy, intact family. I wanted 3 kids and a loving husband and environment. I feel like my life and dreams of family was stolen from me. I never in a million years thought I'd be a single mother.

Please, I very much need a ton of prayer and words of wisdom. If you made it this far in my post, thank you for listening.
 

maxwel

Senior Member
Apr 18, 2013
9,338
2,427
113
#2
Trying going into the chat room, and asking if some of the women there will pray with. I'm sure you can make some new friends, as well as get some advice.

Primarily I would recommend getting some counseling with your pastor.
 

santuzza

Senior Member
Feb 12, 2013
1,609
38
48
#3
Didn't read the entire post -- did your husband ever accept Jesus as his Savior? I saw that he went into counseling which is great, but until he gets down on his knees before Christ, there will always be a disconnect with him.

I agree with Maxwel, get some good Christian counseling. There has been a lot of hurt in your relationship with him. Even if he is truly repentant and has become born again, it still is going to take A LOT of time for your relationship to heal. You both need Christian counseling -- both separately and as a couple.

Bottom line: Stay separated from him until you have both been through counseling and he can win back your trust. Not a moment before!
 
P

Pijow

Guest
#4
He said he asked Christ in to lead him. I asked if he specifically said the prayer about being a sinner and and asking forgiveness and Jesus in his heart... he said yes he did that. I just feel like he's been so far down an evil path his character has been destroyed and doesn't have any discernment whatsoever. I find it very confusing. I'm seeing a counselor right now, she's not Christian but it's covered so it's what I can afford at this point. I think I may look toward a church for other counselling though. I agree, to not get together a moment before trust is won back.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Angela53510

Senior Member
Jan 24, 2011
11,780
2,943
113
#5
I'm so sorry to hear how badly this man has betrayed you. And you may be right about the sexual addiction and narcisism. But has he seen a therapist? He needs to get a diagnosis, and if he won't see someone, I think it might be game over. How hard is he working to change? Just walking through some books is not really enough.

He needs a life changing experience with Jesus Christ. It does not sound like he has had that. And on top of it, he wants his cake and eat it too.

You are young, and you have two possible futures. One is to walk away completely, and start your life again, although with two children. The other is to wait a bit longer, see what God has in store for you. In the end, your marriage may be restored, or you might end up having to take plan A if you wait.

My thought is to keep praying, and see a marriage counselor and an individual counselor for yourself. What he has been doing, with the emotional abuse means you should also be getting abuse counseling. I think it is going to be extremely hard for your husband to change, unless God gets a hold of his life. I don't want to hold out hope that is not there. And I also want to see you safe, especially from sexually transmitted diseases.

This man is a manipulator, and he has had his way a long time. I'm going to pray that God will show you sooner, rather than later the course you should take. You have every right to leave him, biblically, but that does not mean you should right now. Praying for your husband to truly change, or for God to give you the peace to leave him.
 
T

tenderhearted

Guest
#6
It sounds like you are correct about him having a sexual addiction. You said that he told you he is seeing a therapist and has given his life to Christ. If this is so then he should be sharing with you about what is going on in those counseling sessions. In these sessions they would have diagnosed him. Tell him that in order to build trust he needs to share with you about what is going on. This way you know he's really going and you know how to pray for him. If he really gave his life to Christ then you will see the fruit. God commands us to forgive everyone that has hurt us. Not for their benefit, but so that you don't become a bitter person-- As far as trusting him that's a different story. He really has to prove that he is getting help and I think that you should try to go to church with him. You guys should pray together. As you seek God, He will reveal to you if in fact your husband is sincere about wanting to change. He will lead you. I truly believe that if this man is remorseful and wants to change that God can heal him. I believe in a case like that God would want you to work it out. Pray and ask God what you should do, he will give you peace. Also, I think it's great you are getting counseling for yourself.:) Great approach!
 
Dec 1, 2014
1,430
27
0
#7
Okay..so what do you do with a husband who has broken and violated all marriage vows? Sadly, a lot of those who do suddenly find JESUS and claim to make restitution. What do you do now? Stand firm, be all Christian woman you can muster up, he has already kicked his own self to the curb. Stay clear of him and you having physical relationships at this moment. Allow your children to understand without always condensending him in front of them. Hold you head high, realizing that your life is now forever changed..but..not for the worse because you've gone through the storms. Life with him was heading towards a disaster and now you're stuck with all of the wreckage around you. The neat thing about LIFE is that it is still ahead of you...your children were never 'mistakes' and GOD's plan for you and them is still in place, despite the ROADBLOCK. In time, you can look back and see how this is a fresh new start and that although your marriage as it was is gone (thank GOD), behold..you can be a new creature. GOD bless you, sister...you are not the only girl going through this..JESUS is still in the healing business!
 

dave_in_KWC

Senior Member
May 21, 2014
287
89
28
KWC, Ontario
#8
The story you tell possibly suggests significant attachment and emotional maturity issues within your marriage. There are likely addiction and maybe deeper underlying mental health issues that your husband is experiencing and if he hasn't been assessed by a good Psychiatrist for possible biochemical problems, he should be just to rule that stuff out.

There's a good chance your marriage may not survive all of this and this is very sad. I've seen situations like yours get better, but it will take a lot. It depends on you both getting the support and good help you need. None of us heal and mature without good support and care, so get it, unswervingly!

Celebrate Recovery (CR) is a good resource for both of you and is church-based, google it and find a program near you, if you decide to go, go for at least two months before you decide and if you do decide, go all the way and do a full "step-study", it will help a lot! He might want to look into a program like Sexaholics Anonymous(SA). SA is based on clear Christian principles, but attended and led by people coming from all sorts of spiritual backgrounds (whereas CR is pointedly Christian). Then, if he can get a good solid professional Christian Counsellor, that would likely be worth a lot. Be clear, I'm thinking BOTH of you are needing significant support and you will have to "taste and see" what will suit best. A real mature, solid church will be essential for you guys and you may need two separate ones depending on how amenable your hubby is to work on his issues.

You guys are in for what will likely be a long haul, if you are to mature, heal and recover, think of it as a marathon, not a sprint. You will need good, wise counsel to set clear boundaries and expectations for what you need to see from your husband if you are to be able to trust him and begin to reconcile. If you are concerned for those boundaries or child support or other financial or parenting issues, seriously consider a separation agreement, I can see lots of reasons for having such a formal agreement in what you have shared. You don't have to use a lawyer to do a separation agreement in most localities (check with your authorities), but it needs to be able to stand up in court if it goes south for you guys. A separation agreement doesn't mean you are going toward divorce, it means you want things clearly delineated and agree to in writing.

Let us know how it goes, please! Praying for you guys, now!
 
S

soccermom19

Guest
#9
First I would like to say I am so sorry for what you are dealing with.
Second, I apologize that my response must be brief for now as I have an appointment very soon. I will come back and respond more later.
Third, don't go with him. Make it clear that you are not associating with him until he has changed, which I doubt he will.
I am going through something somewhat similar. Sexting, infidelity, and constant lies even after 6 months of separation. If you would like to know more you can check out my previous posts about it.
hang in there and stay strong!
Pray, pray, pray!
God Bless! I will comment more later.
 
N

Nemakiza

Guest
#10
I cried, While I was reading your story. My prayer is that may God strengthen you. Your biggest mistake is from beginning you should have not married him, God always alert us. I don't blame you because all women we love to change our men, and that is impossible. Your story is very touching and hurting.

I don't think that man will change because;

1. He seems to hate himself so he is a broken heart. There are some broken hearts that never mend.

2. He was born like this, and you seem to like a man who loves worldly things, and this is their problem. You can't change him my dear, next time he will hurt you more than this. When I say you can't change him, it is because Jesus once said" For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it". ( mat 19:12) To change him is like crying over spilled water.

3. He also said we can divorce who cheats us. " It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:[SUP] [/SUP]But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, cause her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced commit adultery".(mat 5: 31-32). So power to you, You can divorce him.

I wish you all the best and my prayers are with you. With love.
 
C

ChristianRock

Guest
#11
When people have come through a great storm, they usually fall down on their knees and thank God for deliverance. They then with God's help access or rightly divide the damages and make preparations for repairs or replacements. There are times when things that are not so badly damaged and they can be repaired with minimal time and effort ; there are still times that thing can be repaired that take more time and effort yet still is never the same (it forever looks patched-up); and lastly , there are things that are damaged beyond repair and have to be replaced completely (moving on to something new or different).
Sympathy and emotional support is often offered during this time, but it does not help your immediate needs for survival after that the great storm. Your needs of stability are paramount. While I truly feel compassion towards your situation, I will try to offer a little helpful advice of stability after the storm. I will try to be consistent with your letter and moving from start to finish try to help.
You said that your husband was not a "fully professed Christian" and that you "asked God to end it and prevent me from marrying if"........... What does " not fully professed" mean? Sometimes when we truly trust God we will end the relationship and allow God to put it back if that is His will. God is always so clear with us either we belong to Him or we don't and the only way is through His Son Jesus Christ.
Dear one your husband did not began to slowly change he was never what he pretended to be and the true character is what you are now seeing. He pretended long enough to show you what you wanted to see. and then his true character presented itself. But lets start out in honesty and continue that way. You knew this from the beginning. Like many Christians we sometimes fool ourselves into thinking we can change people. When it does not work that way. Sometimes we look for a project to be fixed instead of looking for a mate a companion and having certain things that we look for in their character. But enough of that.
Throughout you post you make excuses for his behavior. He is emotionally abusing you. Emotional abuse is difficult for many to recognize so they continue to accept this type of behavior from others not just your spouse but family and friends as well. Who told you or showed you that this type of behavior towards you is okay. He heaps more emotional abuse on you by calling you a "terrible wife." Understand that he was simply laying the foundation for his bad behavior. If you are a "terrible wife" he has an excuse for cheating ,disrespecting you and taking money from your household without regards for you and your children. Please research Narcisistic Sociopath-- this is classic behavior.
He keeps you off balance in one area of your relationship but give you enough support to build up your hope in other areas. This is a total sabotage tactic to gain control and manipulate your behavior. "Have you walking on egg shells, not knowing how to respond, making you cry in bed, even up to manipulating your environment. "Please take time to watch a movie called "GasLighting." You can probably find it on Youtube or Internet Archives.
If his friends are addicts, dishonest in business, thieves, and have low moral standards why would you believe anything they say. They are helping to cultivate his lie by spending that web telling you that your husband tried to keep them out of trouble. What grown men need someone to keep them out of trouble. Don't forget he is ""HANGING OUT"" with these addicts that steal , lack character in business dealings, and are moral repubates at least 3 times a week. Be honest with yourself, your husband can possibly be the leader of the ""PACK"".
I am not trying to be subtle by any means I really want you to hear how this sounds. As if it is not concerning you and you are actually reading about someone else. Sometime when actually look at things from a different perspective it is helpful.
Again, Who told you that it is your job or duty as a wife to be treated this way? You are worth more than this.
Why would you want to spend one more minute with a person that totally dsrespects you and intentionally causes you emotional distress that is not good for either you or your children. You are allowing this!
Your concern should not be on his relationship with God. Your concern should be on your relationship with God. When we understand how much God truly loves us and how high a value he places on us that He gave His only Son. Your value is far above you imagination or the situation you are now in. You are WORTHY. What? Do you think that God will send you here on this journey through this life to be subject to this abuse, oppression, emotional blackmail, shame, belittleling by anyone. God is so great is even allows us to choose to serve Him or not. Yet we serve these relationships, placing then above who you are in Christ. And sometimes placing them above Christ. God say you are more valuable that this. Your are worthy. You have strength, Christ tells us that when we come to Him.
Stop searching for physical evidence of this mans behavior. You knew what he was doing even before you saw the phone text or any other evidence. The searching is/was just a game that many females play with themselves when the are in denial. They have all the information they need. He has not humiliated you in front of his friend, they knew what he was doing. You know what to do you said it. "....Run away from him as fast as you can ...." He gets to enjoy this carefree life of spending loads of money gambling, drinking, and prostitutes (oh escorts) with no regards for your finances. Taking money out of you household with not consequences of behavior. I really want you to get how this sounds. Read your post as if it was about someone else and not you and you will have a lot of your answers.
Try not to allow his parents to influence any decision that you make. After all they raised this, irresponsible, spoiled, self-centered, lier, cheat, and thief. And I doubt that they are surprised at his behavior. Close friend and family already knew the truth.
I doubt that he is remorseful, or that he has dropped his old friends. " He is now attending church, praying hard" (praying hard on your emotions), and Christian men to ""HANGOUT""with. That word again hangout. Why does any married or Christian man need to ""HANGOUT"" so much. People , grown-up people have lives and responsibilities.
Are these similar to the tactics he played in the beginning of your relationship. Becoming the person you wanted long enough to get you emotionally involved and then his true character would emerge. I have one thing to say this is a quote from the Forrest Gump move, "...ARE YOU CRAZY OR JUST PLAIN STUPID...."
You are out stay out until or if God says so and if your don't get and answer from God you have you answer stay out. ......by the way your husband is not God. Christians have to under that forgiveness does not equal reconciliation. Remember that David was walking in complete forgiveness towards Saul. We know this from the time he spared his life and also the anger he felt when a soldier took credit for killing Saul, David has the soldier put to dealth. Yet remember that David stayed away from Saul because it was dangerous to be around him. Saul was trying to kill him. Sometimes even though we are walking in forgiveness it dangerous to be around certain people. Because you are walking in forgiveness does not mean that the perpetrator has changed. You want need to guard your heart and emotions ask God to strengthen you in this area. Not to allow you to repeat past decisions.
I understand that because of the emotional rollercoaster you have been on with him that you may face challenges learning how to make sound decisions. God understands as well, continue to ask Him for strength. Detach yourself from conversations with your husband. You learn to control the times that he can contact you. Only talk when absolutely necessary and you pick a time and stick to it and limit it to 15min or less for now. Don't get off topic and talk about your relationship talk about your needs for financial support or the children. After all you had all the time in the world when you guys were together. He chose to spend time with others. So don't sit by and wait for a call or allow him the call you when ever he wants. Detach, Detach, Detach. Work on YOURSELF and give you children and mom that is emotionally well and at peace. No on that spends their life in a back and for struggle with their dad and you miss out on them growing up. Two children are enough to keep the anyone busy. He told you what to think and what to do by virtue of his behavior. Stop letting him control you now.
Sometime the new life because it is unpredictable we want to return to old lives that are messed up from the floor up simply because the are familiar and predictable. Stay strong you can do it. Don't let fear make your decisions.
Don't worry about being a single mom, you forget you were already a single mom. If he was gone as much as you say and taking your money as well. You can consider this a plus now you are still a single mom but no longer on the rollercoaster ride with him. Say to yourself, "THIS IS WHERE I GET OFF".
Ask God to keep you strong and planted in moving forward. Your concern as I said earlier should be focused on you relationship with God. Study His Word, consider Ruth and Naomi. Naomi knew when a season was finished in her life and knew when to move. She had get faith and compassion and knew how to give wise advice. Ruth knew how to receive wise advice and was strong and full of love and compassion and wisdom. Consider Esther she knew the great responsibility that was place on her to save her people. She was strong and courageous. She was also afraid to make her move but she did it any way. Consider Hannah who felt so blessed to be a mother that she dedicated her son to the Lord , she cared for him and loved him her heart was so full and the strength and courage she had to do this. Consider Moses mother who saved his life how much love and courage this must have taken. Consider Deborah a woman who lead her people into battle she did what was necessary. Rebekeh is called mother of millions. These are all women of strength. God shows us what we are able to do through His Word. Take some time and study other women in the bible. They are such a wealth of knowledge and strength, how we should conduct ourselves, and the strength of being a mother. None of these women fit the description of what today's "Christian" women display that some how it is acceptable to be abuse in a marriage.
God has truly blessed you with two children. Why would you want them subject to abusive behavior they see everything and the take it all in. Guide them and teach them allow them the ability to know that they are WORTHY of LOVE and RESPECT and HONOR. Teach them that you don't have to give up who you are to be loved and give love. Teach them that it is not okay to be abused emotionally or physically. Teach them that your love for them is simply because they ARE. They don't have to do any thing to earn it and you will never hold their love hostage.
Dear one you have a responsible to yourself and your children. Don't allow yourself to be abused by anyone emotionally or physically. That includes friend and family.
YOU ARE WORTHY. KNOW YOUR WORTH. YOUR ARE BLESSED AND HIGHLY VALUED.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
N

Nemakiza

Guest
#12
Number 3 correction on the part of bible;

3. Jesus once said "It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce. But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery". (Mat 5:31-32)
 
S

soccermom19

Guest
#13
All I can advise is to be careful, pray often and listen to God!
Long story short: I am separated from my husband of nearly 19 years. He had messages and pictures on his phone which he lied about until confronted with evidence and then only told half truths about them. I discovered a year long affair: again he lied and only told the truth after me baggering him and providing evidence. I forgave him, set some guidelines and tried to move on in our marriage. I ended up discovering another woman about 1 year later. This time I asked him to leave.
Since then, I have discovered one other woman between the two I already discussed and he has slept with at least two other women since we separated. Yet he claims that he still wants to be a family with me and our three children. He has lied to me while saying he was telling the truth.
My husband is also leading a double life. We are not divorced yet, but I believe we will be in the near future.
Dont put up with it. He will continue if you allow him to. You were right for separating. Just be very careful if he claims he has changed. That is very unlikely. You should forgive him. However, you don't have to forget or accommodate his ungodly behavior. Unfortunately, for both of us, I fear divorce is most likely the only way out.
Feel free to contact me if you wish. You can PM me or send a friend request.
God Bless you!
 
M

microscoped

Guest
#14
It sounds as if you are willing to stay. If you are then you must pray against this curse in your husbands life and he must as well. Find out how the curse got there and break it. If there are demons in him, he needs deliverance. Casting out demons is easy if one is willing to turn them loose.
 
G

gerlie

Guest
#15
I like what you said God bless you brother maxell
 
Last edited by a moderator:
G

gerlie

Guest
#16
When people have come through a great storm, they usually fall down on their knees and thank God for deliverance. They then with God's help access or rightly divide the damages and make preparations for repairs or replacements. There are times when things that are not so badly damaged and they can be repaired with minimal time and effort ; there are still times that thing can be repaired that take more time and effort yet still is never the same (it forever looks patched-up); and lastly , there are things that are damaged beyond repair and have to be replaced completely (moving on to something new or different).
Sympathy and emotional support is often offered during this time, but it does not help your immediate needs for survival after that the great storm. Your needs of stability are paramount. While I truly feel compassion towards your situation, I will try to offer a little helpful advice of stability after the storm. I will try to be consistent with your letter and moving from start to finish try to help.
You said that your husband was not a "fully professed Christian" and that you "asked God to end it and prevent me from marrying if"........... What does " not fully professed" mean? Sometimes when we truly trust God we will end the relationship and allow God to put it back if that is His will. God is always so clear with us either we belong to Him or we don't and the only way is through His Son Jesus Christ.
Dear one your husband did not began to slowly change he was never what he pretended to be and the true character is what you are now seeing. He pretended long enough to show you what you wanted to see. and then his true character presented itself. But lets start out in honesty and continue that way. You knew this from the beginning. Like many Christians we sometimes fool ourselves into thinking we can change people. When it does not work that way. Sometimes we look for a project to be fixed instead of looking for a mate a companion and having certain things that we look for in their character. But enough of that.
Throughout you post you make excuses for his behavior. He is emotionally abusing you. Emotional abuse is difficult for many to recognize so they continue to accept this type of behavior from others not just your spouse but family and friends as well. Who told you or showed you that this type of behavior towards you is okay. He heaps more emotional abuse on you by calling you a "terrible wife." Understand that he was simply laying the foundation for his bad behavior. If you are a "terrible wife" he has an excuse for cheating ,disrespecting you and taking money from your household without regards for you and your children. Please research Narcisistic Sociopath-- this is classic behavior.
He keeps you off balance in one area of your relationship but give you enough support to build up your hope in other areas. This is a total sabotage tactic to gain control and manipulate your behavior. "Have you walking on egg shells, not knowing how to respond, making you cry in bed, even up to manipulating your environment. "Please take time to watch a movie called "GasLighting." You can probably find it on Youtube or Internet Archives.
If his friends are addicts, dishonest in business, thieves, and have low moral standards why would you believe anything they say. They are helping to cultivate his lie by spending that web telling you that your husband tried to keep them out of trouble. What grown men need someone to keep them out of trouble. Don't forget he is ""HANGING OUT"" with these addicts that steal , lack character in business dealings, and are moral repubates at least 3 times a week. Be honest with yourself, your husband can possibly be the leader of the ""PACK"".
I am not trying to be subtle by any means I really want you to hear how this sounds. As if it is not concerning you and you are actually reading about someone else. Sometime when actually look at things from a different perspective it is helpful.
Again, Who told you that it is your job or duty as a wife to be treated this way? You are worth more than this.
Why would you want to spend one more minute with a person that totally dsrespects you and intentionally causes you emotional distress that is not good for either you or your children. You are allowing this!
Your concern should not be on his relationship with God. Your concern should be on your relationship with God. When we understand how much God truly loves us and how high a value he places on us that He gave His only Son. Your value is far above you imagination or the situation you are now in. You are WORTHY. What? Do you think that God will send you here on this journey through this life to be subject to this abuse, oppression, emotional blackmail, shame, belittleling by anyone. God is so great is even allows us to choose to serve Him or not. Yet we serve these relationships, placing then above who you are in Christ. And sometimes placing them above Christ. God say you are more valuable that this. Your are worthy. You have strength, Christ tells us that when we come to Him.
Stop searching for physical evidence of this mans behavior. You knew what he was doing even before you saw the phone text or any other evidence. The searching is/was just a game that many females play with themselves when the are in denial. They have all the information they need. He has not humiliated you in front of his friend, they knew what he was doing. You know what to do you said it. "....Run away from him as fast as you can ...." He gets to enjoy this carefree life of spending loads of money gambling, drinking, and prostitutes (oh escorts) with no regards for your finances. Taking money out of you household with not consequences of behavior. I really want you to get how this sounds. Read your post as if it was about someone else and not you and you will have a lot of your answers.
Try not to allow his parents to influence any decision that you make. After all they raised this, irresponsible, spoiled, self-centered, lier, cheat, and thief. And I doubt that they are surprised at his behavior. Close friend and family already knew the truth.
I doubt that he is remorseful, or that he has dropped his old friends. " He is now attending church, praying hard" (praying hard on your emotions), and Christian men to ""HANGOUT""with. That word again hangout. Why does any married or Christian man need to ""HANGOUT"" so much. People , grown-up people have lives and responsibilities.
Are these similar to the tactics he played in the beginning of your relationship. Becoming the person you wanted long enough to get you emotionally involved and then his true character would emerge. I have one thing to say this is a quote from the Forrest Gump move, "...ARE YOU CRAZY OR JUST PLAIN STUPID...."
You are out stay out until or if God says so and if your don't get and answer from God you have you answer stay out. ......by the way your husband is not God. Christians have to under that forgiveness does not equal reconciliation. Remember that David was walking in complete forgiveness towards Saul. We know this from the time he spared his life and also the anger he felt when a soldier took credit for killing Saul, David has the soldier put to dealth. Yet remember that David stayed away from Saul because it was dangerous to be around him. Saul was trying to kill him. Sometimes even though we are walking in forgiveness it dangerous to be around certain people. Because you are walking in forgiveness does not mean that the perpetrator has changed. You want need to guard your heart and emotions ask God to strengthen you in this area. Not to allow you to repeat past decisions.
I understand that because of the emotional rollercoaster you have been on with him that you may face challenges learning how to make sound decisions. God understands as well, continue to ask Him for strength. Detach yourself from conversations with your husband. You learn to control the times that he can contact you. Only talk when absolutely necessary and you pick a time and stick to it and limit it to 15min or less for now. Don't get off topic and talk about your relationship talk about your needs for financial support or the children. After all you had all the time in the world when you guys were together. He chose to spend time with others. So don't sit by and wait for a call or allow him the call you when ever he wants. Detach, Detach, Detach. Work on YOURSELF and give you children and mom that is emotionally well and at peace. No on that spends their life in a back and for struggle with their dad and you miss out on them growing up. Two children are enough to keep the anyone busy. He told you what to think and what to do by virtue of his behavior. Stop letting him control you now.
Sometime the new life because it is unpredictable we want to return to old lives that are messed up from the floor up simply because the are familiar and predictable. Stay strong you can do it. Don't let fear make your decisions.
Don't worry about being a single mom, you forget you were already a single mom. If he was gone as much as you say and taking your money as well. You can consider this a plus now you are still a single mom but no longer on the rollercoaster ride with him. Say to yourself, "THIS IS WHERE I GET OFF".
Ask God to keep you strong and planted in moving forward. Your concern as I said earlier should be focused on you relationship with God. Study His Word, consider Ruth and Naomi. Naomi knew when a season was finished in her life and knew when to move. She had get faith and compassion and knew how to give wise advice. Ruth knew how to receive wise advice and was strong and full of love and compassion and wisdom. Consider Esther she knew the great responsibility that was place on her to save her people. She was strong and courageous. She was also afraid to make her move but she did it any way. Consider Hannah who felt so blessed to be a mother that she dedicated her son to the Lord , she cared for him and loved him her heart was so full and the strength and courage she had to do this. Consider Moses mother who saved his life how much love and courage this must have taken. Consider Deborah a woman who lead her people into battle she did what was necessary. Rebekeh is called mother of millions. These are all women of strength. God shows us what we are able to do through His Word. Take some time and study other women in the bible. They are such a wealth of knowledge and strength, how we should conduct ourselves, and the strength of being a mother. None of these women fit the description of what today's "Christian" women display that some how it is acceptable to be abuse in a marriage.
God has truly blessed you with two children. Why would you want them subject to abusive behavior they see everything and the take it all in. Guide them and teach them allow them the ability to know that they are WORTHY of LOVE and RESPECT and HONOR. Teach them that you don't have to give up who you are to be loved and give love. Teach them that it is not okay to be abused emotionally or physically. Teach them that your love for them is simply because they ARE. They don't have to do any thing to earn it and you will never hold their love hostage.
Dear one you have a responsible to yourself and your children. Don't allow yourself to be abused by anyone emotionally or physically. That includes friend and family.
YOU ARE WORTHY. KNOW YOUR WORTH. YOUR ARE BLESSED AND HIGHLY VALUED.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Wowi like your comment God blless christianrock
 
S

ServantStrike

Guest
#17
Trying going into the chat room, and asking if some of the women there will pray with. I'm sure you can make some new friends, as well as get some advice.

Primarily I would recommend getting some counseling with your pastor.
This is the best advice anyone could possibly give in this situation.

You're going to need time, and a lot of prayer, plus a church family to support you whatever you decide to do.


We had another child, and he constantly complained about sex. Even if we had it 3x a week, he'd complain it wasn't enough. He also criticized the way I initiated it and would make me cry. He made sure I knew I was a good mother but terrible wife, and he never let me forget that.

During this time in our marriage, his mood swings were unbearable. I would secretly hope he would leave me because his stonewalling me was so emotionally painful. He would emotionally manipulate me to get what he wanted and treated me like a servant.


No man should ever do this to another human being - even an unsaved man knows better than that. he sounds like he needs serious help - you're going to have to see in time whether or not that works. Honestly, he needs to see a psychiatrist as well as a therapist, there may be something chemically wrong. Those mood swings are not normal.

He has moved out and began seeing a therapist. I am not protecting him anymore, and now his parents, my parents and close family and friends know the truth. He claims he has lost everything and is very remorseful, but I feel like he's uncomfortable and just wants his easy life back. He has gotten a new cell phone and says he dropped all his bad friends. Says he's attending church, praying hard and reading his bible and searching out for good Christian men to hang out with. I suspect sex addiction alongside other addictions like alcohol, but also narcissistic characteristics as I really, REALLY notice a lack of empathy. After all this, even today, he asked if I would be willing to help him cross an item off his bucket list by going to see a favorite musician of his. Like I would feel honored or enjoy doing that with him?? It feels like there is a disconnect.

If he becomes a true Christian, how will I know? I do plan to forgive, and I know Christ can do anything, but would he want me to forgive and go back to a man that could do that to me and his family? I know in the bible divorce was granted with Moses because of our human hardened hearts, so does Christ desire that I soften mine and forgive and submit to this man once again?
You'll know someone is a Christian by their fruits.

Adultery is biblical grounds for divorce. Whether or not you chose to stay is not something I'm comfortable advising you on - as Maxwel said, you're going to need to talk to a pastor, and a good one at that.

If you decide to try and make this work, the only thing I can think of is you're going to have to basically start the dating process all over again even though you're married - he's going to have to earn your trust again. He needs to be reading his bible and telling you about it frequently, and what it's teaching him.
 

Jesus4ever

Senior Member
May 18, 2015
783
19
18
#18
Very sorry to know that. I can´t simply understand why so many people suffer so much because of love issues. Love is the most important and noble thing God gives to us all and still, there are so many problems and suffering...!

Regarding your situation, your husband need Jesus! Pray for him, pray for your marriage and have faith the Lord will help him. I´ll pray for you, my dear.


God bless you and your family!
 
T

twotwo

Guest
#19
I'm a 32 year old Christian woman, I have been married 7 years and inside it gave birth to two beautiful children.

Slowly, I began to see things change a bit. When I was pregnant with my first child, he wouldn't touch me or give me any affection. It was heartbreaking and I was so incredibly lonely. He seemed to eventually snap out of it and I tried my best to accommodate both him and baby, but I always felt a bit of resentment on his part.

We had another child, and he constantly complained about sex. Even if we had it 3x a week, he'd complain it wasn't enough. He also criticized the way I initiated it and would make me cry. He made sure I knew I was a good mother but terrible wife, and he never let me forget that. No matter what I did for him, it was never good enough. He began to spend a lot of time with friends that I did not like--they lacked morals and showed it in their lifestyle (addiction, dishonest business dealings, theft, sexual immorality) and they always told me that my husband tried to keep them out of trouble. He would often go out 3x a week with them. He betrayed my confidence by spending $800+ a month on them just with beer and food at the bar. We were scraping by financially at this point and I really wanted to get out of debt. I told him I was beginning to have trust issues with him and that he was a father and husband and cannot live a life like that.

During this time in our marriage, his mood swings were unbearable. I would secretly hope he would leave me because his stonewalling me was so emotionally painful. He would emotionally manipulate me to get what he wanted and treated me like a servant. For months he would give me one word answers and I could feel him glaring at me all the time. I tried so hard to provide a nice, calm, clean loving house for him to come home to and to cheer him up, or to open up to me. It was beginning to be quite clear, from things he said, that he was angry with God, and also resented the fact I wasn't the same person he married--which I wasn't as I was still growing in God and had developed interests and passions that I was so excited about. I began walking around on eggshells around the house, and tried my best to avoid offending him which I did quite often with my actions and words, apparently.
I also had an incident where a spirit tried to assault me sexually in our bed while our entire family napped, and my daughter screamed. It was very frightening but my husband brushed it off and had nothing to say about it nor did he seem to care. I still loved him very much, and want the best for him and try everything to make our marriage work..everything seemed OK to stay with him, and I prayed to God a few times that I wanted my husband to live in Christ one day, and if it took something drastic, that I would be willing to even give my life for it.

A couple years pass, and I find a cash advance on our credit card from a casino for a few hundred dollars. I felt like my trust did not mean much to him. I asked him point blank what else I didn't know, and if he had cheated on me as well. He denied everything and then when he knew I had papers backing up the advance, he apologized saying it was one mistake.

A month later, I am giving sex 4-8 times a week. He is still criticizing me, asking why I don't wear lingerie anymore, or if I say after intercourse "that was fun" he would say "that doesn't count, it's in the day" and put on his clothes and go on with his day. One night in this same month, I lose my cell phone and he's sleeping. I use his cellphone to call mine, and as I close his programs I notice text messages from random numbers. I look closer to discover he had a sex date with an escort in 10 hours. I was shaking..devastated. I began going through his entire phone and found disrespectful texts between him and a coworker talking about girls, and another escort he was trying to sleep with. I searched all his bags and coat pockets and vehicle for more evidence but didn't find any. I wake him up, telling him not to go to the girl that morning, and that I love him and want our marriage to work out. He says he's sorry, that he is messed up and hates himself and wants to die. He goes out and buys affair books and relationship books for us to work on stuff, and we cease sexual relations for a week. He gave me passwords and let me look at his phone when he returned every day for 'complete transparency'. One night, while he was at work, I am going through his emails and find cybersex between him and a woman. He's telling her the most atrocious things and that I'm out of town. I called him crying and very angry, and he denied it. When I showed him the proof, he said he forgot that he did that. I said that no normal person would forget the first time they ever cheated. I then began to believe there was much more. I asked him to get his stuff and live with his parents the next day.

I beg him for more truth, and he keeps denying and finally, finally I find out he had exchanged inappropriate texts with a married female friend during my first pregnancy. They talked about previous sexual escapades (while she was married) they had that I never knew about (and I even asked him if they've ever had a history which he denied years before). Additionally, at least 3 women were sending him naked pictures which he was asking for, including one of our bridesmaids from our wedding party. I am quite confident there is more that I still don't know about. There is also porn involved. THEN, I find out he had a full out affair with a girl I knew of that I knew had a crush on him, and that he would go over there a lot over the course of 5 months and would also do it without condoms, putting me at risk physically. He'd lie and say he was at a friend's but stop at her house, have sex with her and then criticize me before bed about my sexuality the same night. I find out that a ton of people know about this, and he has humiliated me and made a fool out of me in front of all his friends! He also complained about what a bad wife I was to all of them. I was not a bad wife. I was committed and loving. I cannot articulate the betrayal I feel. During this disclosure, my son wakes and yells from his room that there is something shaking his bed and he was terrified. More supernatural attacking. My world crashed down and all I could think was 'this man does not love me! I need to save myself and the kids and run away from him as fast as I can!'

He has moved out and began seeing a therapist. I am not protecting him anymore, and now his parents, my parents and close family and friends know the truth. He claims he has lost everything and is very remorseful, but I feel like he's uncomfortable and just wants his easy life back. He has gotten a new cell phone and says he dropped all his bad friends. Says he's attending church, praying hard and reading his bible and searching out for good Christian men to hang out with. I suspect sex addiction alongside other addictions like alcohol, but also narcissistic characteristics as I really, REALLY notice a lack of empathy. After all this, even today, he asked if I would be willing to help him cross an item off his bucket list by going to see a favorite musician of his. Like I would feel honored or enjoy doing that with him?? It feels like there is a disconnect.

I don't know who this man is! I feel physically violated and ill... like my soul has been raped. I do not trust him, I can't imagine trusting him again. I gave myself fully to him to receive extreme heartache, emotional manipulation and shattered trust. I care about him still, but I don't know what to do. This guy has years of therapy ahead of him. If he becomes a true Christian, how will I know? I do plan to forgive, and I know Christ can do anything, but would he want me to forgive and go back to a man that could do that to me and his family? I know in the bible divorce was granted with Moses because of our human hardened hearts, so does Christ desire that I soften mine and forgive and submit to this man once again? Now I know I am not perfect by any means, but I know I am a beautiful, intelligent (though I feel like a fool for trusting this man for years), loving woman. At the age of 32, at what point am I wasting my time and/
or putting my family at risk? What if I waited for 5 years and reconciled only to find out his was still morally bankrupt? My kids come first, but will I ever be able to experience the God-filled love of a wonderful husband.. someone who could never have found it in his heart to do those things to me?

I am in agony. My gut is telling me no. My head is telling me to give him a chance and be open to reconciliation in a few years. I am constantly flipping back and forth. I want a happy, healthy, intact family. I wanted 3 kids and a loving husband and environment. I feel like my life and dreams of family was stolen from me. I never in a million years thought I'd be a single mother.

Please, I very much need a ton of prayer and words of wisdom. If you made it this far in my post, thank you for listening.
Your husband behaviour is typical of perverse narcissist manipulator, which means that there is no hope of happiness for you. You and your children are definitively at risk. Go away, take care of your children and protect them. Do not deceive yourself; the signals are unambiguous!

Do not worry about tomorrow but TRUST THE LORD for he is gentle and humble in heart.
 
J

JustAnotherUser

Guest
#20
I didn't read all of it, but to the point where he denies these things and then 'forgets that he did them' should tell one flat out what type of person he is. He's not willing to change and expects you to do the work, and for as long as you provide and give or tell him what he wants then he's going to take that as an advantage. People who are manipulative are very hard to truly convince for them to change, and even by then you can't be fully assured.