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I have recently heard a sermon that stated a woman did not have to submit to her husband if he was mot living a Godly life. Is this biblical? My thoughts.... a woman does have to submit unless the husband is asking her to sin. By placing in the hands the option to submit by the woman you ate setting tbe marriage up for failure. Some women will use this against the husband and if he doesnt take out the trash she will not submit..... your thoughts.....
 
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my feeling is that any form of submission procured by any means other than what is given willingly out of love, is a thing of darkness.
 
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Submission should never be a bad word. A man needs to be able to lead his house. There are many times my ex would not submit. One being allowing our children to play killing graphic games. Games that cussed and just horrible. Everytime i would get rid of them she would buy more.
 
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What is your definition of submission? You realize that a wife submitting to her husband is a reflection of his treating her as Christ does the church (Laying down his life for her).

From the perspective of a woman who was married and had that kind of relationship with her husband, I'll tell you, it's exceptionally easy to submit to a man who so clearly has your best interest at heart, who wants to see you flourish as an individual, who champions your goals, who's eyes light up when you walk into the room. I'd probably have done anything for that man.

Don't get me wrong, he was well loved too, and he would tell you that if he were able to, but he'd be REALLY irritated at the focus on submission as though it was a grinding your wife under your heel. I'm pretty sure Jesus would too. If you are having issues in a marriage with regards to submission? Try loving your wife.

Try the love that lays down it's life, making sure she knows AND feels the great affection and care you have for her. Laying down your life might mean laying down the pride that says, "I AM OWED RESPECT". Let your love make you soft, be slow to anger, quick to forgive, gracious, merciful, kind. Cherish her. It easy for a woman to submit to that man when he is being that man.

(And before anyone get all up in arms over this 'who goes first' business, may I gently point out that as a man you are the head of the household and a true leader leads by example. A true leader teaches and guides at the pace of those following.)
 
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There is no amount of love i could show my ex that she would then submit. She left and cheated fifty times was abusive and hateful. Submission to me was different than her opinion. Mine is i have the deciding voice. Thats it. I lead my family in the direction Gods telling me to and if he says no violent video games then there is none. If he says help a family financially we do it. Hair dye for her and five friends is not more important. If i feel that God is leading me to go to texas or guatemala or mexico i should be able to. Casting out demons is more important than her insecurities. I never asked for a slave. When it came to cooking and cleaning she jumped at it. Loved to. But anything she was against she would say that since o didnt want to be locked in a room for hours fighting over stuff that didnt matter i did not love her like Christ loved the church so she didnt have to submit. This excuse she used for decades with no scripture to back it up. No where does it say she had the rigjt to choose when and if she will submit.
 
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Phew ! I reckon the ex Mrs Scope was bloody lucky to escape ........
 
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Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
 

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why should SHE have to submit to him if HE'S not living a Godly life? If she has a Godly life, and he doesn't, then he shouldn't expect her to submit to someone who's not living the same life as her.
 
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Huh. So, you preferred your opinion to loving your wife... or that's how it reads to me.

Does God pull you kicking and scared behind him so that you will do his will? Or does God approach you and comfort your fears and tell you that you will be alright? When you are fearful in taking the next step of submission to him, does he push you through that door, or out that window, or does he prove to you (again) how faithful he is, so that what lies beyond is not more than what you can trust him with?

A helpmate, a friend, a confidant, a prayer partner with whom you prayerfully consider God's direction in your lives is what you signed up for with a wife. Is that how you treated her? "Fighting over stuff that didn't matter"? Well, it sounds like it mattered to her. Did you hear her? Were you her champion in life? Was she able to trust that your ultimate decision was the direction that God was leading your family?

It sounds here (and forgive me, these two posts are all I know about you), like your view of advancing the kingdom were your sole focus. And as a married man? That's not the case. This is the reason that Paul encourages those who can abstain from marriage to do so, your primary ministry as a married man is to your wife and children. (Now as a single father, your primary ministry is to your children.) God will make a way for his will to be done, even for a man in ministry (or a woman in ministry), and he does soften hearts - including the heart of a wife who is afraid to trust God. But the way to do that isn't through force, it's coming together in prayer and asking God to give her confirmation that where you are being lead is where he wants you to go. God is faithful and does not want to see families broken. If you both are submitting to God, that way will be clear.

I hear a lot of pain in your post, and I am so very sorry that she left and betrayed your marriage. I don't know what abusive and hateful means (and I don't need to know). I know that neither of you are perfect. I don't know if either of you struggle with health issues or mental health issues. I don't know if you entered the marriage from a place of seeking God's glory or to satisfy each other.

If I may be so bold, prayerfully consider if you need to seek your ex-wife's forgiveness over how you lead your marriage, or the type of husband you were with her. I'm not saying that the marriage can be (or should be) reconciled, but again... as the male leader of the relationship, that's a huge point of leadership: Knowing that when you are wrong, seeking forgiveness for your wrongdoing. You might be surprised how true humility leads to submission.
 
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I know that verse is the ending of the one where wives are told to submit. No where does it say wives submit if the husband loves the wife as Jesus loved the church. It is two commands not Good ideas if the other is done to your satisfaction. If that were the case i would have the equally powerful argument of i will not love unless she submits. And only if she submits to my standards.
 
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By gum, you are right! GO YOU!

Wait, aren't you the spiritual leader (head) of the family? Aren't you supposed to lead? How do you lead? Do you lead by example or edict?

I suppose I should answer your original question, should a wife submit to an unbelieving husband? Yes... unless it's illegal or immoral to do so, I believe she should. I know I submitted to my unbelieving husband.
 
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The thing is that the things we argued about didnt even matter to her rather than getting her way or convincing me that although i found her in bed wearing nothing but panties sleeping with another man she did not have sex. And the time she said she was somewhere she really was even though her vehicle was not there. Im telling you most all fights did not matter. God is supposed to come first. Ministry is God. God sends to me many that other ministers know are within what God works through me. Am i to say sorry God that woman wont let me me do your will?
 
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why should SHE have to submit to him if HE'S not living a Godly life? If she has a Godly life, and he doesn't, then he shouldn't expect her to submit to someone who's not living the same life as her.
This thinking is not biblically based. Can you show me where that is? And i am a minister. Her saying i am not living right is scrutinizing my every flaw to twist it and say she doesnt have to submit. She has a problem with submission like many women do.
 
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By gum, you are right! GO YOU!

Wait, aren't you the spiritual leader (head) of the family? Aren't you supposed to lead? How do you lead? Do you lead by example or edict?

I suppose I should answer your original question, should a wife submit to an unbelieving husband? Yes... unless it's illegal or immoral to do so, I believe she should. I know I submitted to my unbelieving husband.
Thank you. Yes i am the spiritual leader. Have been for so long. I am a pk and a minister my children were raised in church and prayed her in. She is on church but still will not submit.
 
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Well if you are divorced I suppose this wouldn't be an issue for you any longer.
 
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By gum, you are right! GO YOU!

Wait, aren't you the spiritual leader (head) of the family? Aren't you supposed to lead? How do you lead? Do you lead by example or edict?

I suppose I should answer your original question, should a wife submit to an unbelieving husband? Yes... unless it's illegal or immoral to do so, I believe she should. I know I submitted to my unbelieving husband.
I ave always lead by example when possible.
 
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I am separated. However this does affect me later if i ever do get married again. I want to know wjat is biblical
 

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You seem to have confused the words "obey" with "submit."

Submission is voluntary. You cannot make a person submit, they do it from their own will and heart.

Obedience is what we give to God. A wife needs to respect and love her husband. She does not need to obey him if he is telling her to do things that are sinful, will hurt her or damage her.

I don't find anywhere in the Bible it says for a wife to obey her husband. Rather, a wife is to submit - a voluntary giving of the heart and life to her husband.

I think you and your wife must have had a very dysfunctional marriage, from what you have described here.
 
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Submitting encompasses obedience. Just as my submitting to Christ would encompass my obedience to Him. How can anyone submit to God and refuse to follow His lead.