Should we be advocating divorce?

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Rosesrock

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#42
I hope not! That bull was so last year.
Also, judging by what I've seen of Rose around the forums, I don't get that vibe from her post.
Im confused and thanks um....:)
 
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Tintin

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#43
Im confused and thanks um....:)
There has been a lot of man-bashing in the forums the past year or more. You know, the typical nonsense - women are always right, men are stupid dunder-heads and are always wrong. I have no problem with admitting I'm wrong, if I'm wrong, but people who verbally castrate guys, and don't take responsibility for their own stuff, whilst calling themselves Christians, aren't helping anyone.
 
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Rosesrock

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There has been a lot of man-bashing in the forums the past year or more. You know, the typical nonsense - women are always right, men are stupid dunder-heads and are always wrong. I have no problem with admitting I'm wrong, if I'm wrong, but people who verbally castrate guys, and don't take responsibility for their own stuff, whilst calling themselves Christians, aren't helping anyone.
Oh i was joking..bahaha i have no desire in arguing with anyone here. I share scripture and if someone doesnt want to engage in a discission than i agree to disagree. Im a huge sarcastic individual, but im super sorry if ive come across less then kindhearted and just looking for a laugh.
 
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Tintin

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Oh i was joking..bahaha i have no desire in arguing with anyone here. I share scripture and if someone doesnt want to engage in a discission than i agree to disagree. Im a huge sarcastic individual, but im super sorry if ive come across less then kindhearted and just looking for a laugh.
No, no. I was explaining what happened here in the past, to give you an understanding where Not-At-All-Ugly was coming from. I have no bone to pick with you, sister. It's all good. :)
 
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Rosesrock

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#46
No, no. I was explaining what happened here in the past, to give you an understanding where Not-At-All-Ugly was coming from. I have no bone to pick with you, sister. It's all good. :)
Ok lol ......
 
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atwhatcost

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There has been a lot of man-bashing in the forums the past year or more. You know, the typical nonsense - women are always right, men are stupid dunder-heads and are always wrong. I have no problem with admitting I'm wrong, if I'm wrong, but people who verbally castrate guys, and don't take responsibility for their own stuff, whilst calling themselves Christians, aren't helping anyone.
Whoa! Sorry. I really was kidding.
 
Nov 25, 2014
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The reason I posed the question is that it seems a lot of the advice here is to divorce. Now, I agree that some marriages will end and should end because of a lot of reasons, but I wonder if we would be wise to offer to pray, listen and support the person starting the thread th doing whatever they can to keep their vows.

We are a Christian community, and it seems in every other arena we argue ad nauseum to follow the bible strictly, but here, over and over again the advice isn't pray for them and watch God work. The encouragement isn't how can I support you in your vows of better or worse?

my heart aches for the heartache of those in tough marriages, as well as those who have divorced. In no was am I intending to shame. I want so much to love and encourage my Brothers and Sisters. Truly, this was a late night posted thread after reading here for awhile.

please forgive me if I am offensive.
I'm glad you mention this because I've been disturbed by it as well.

It's easy for any of us to flippantly tell a poster or chatter here that they should just "divorce the so-and-so and get on with your life." We are not subject to any kind of (immedidate) accountability for these words. Additionally, there is no onus to spiritually support the person or walk with them through their suffering.

It's really reckless.

Plus, some of the people who advocate quick divorce here have never even been married.

I agree with you that if we are to actually BE the Body of Christ, we need to support our fellow members who are suffering. We need to pray for those whose marriages are imploding. We need to implore them to seek PROFESSIONAL counsel with a therapist or pastor. We need to make sure that they have a real life support system available to them in the midst of their trial.

What we don't need to do is presume much knowledge based on a brief post and dispense flip advice for which we will have to answer to God.
 
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And I think we should be careful to not let our own experience color our response before praying that we are granting God's best counsel. I believe that God still performs miracles in lives and marriages. He wouldn't honor how he holds them sacred if he didn't.

One we of our jobs as spouses is to intercede for our spouse... And that never ends.

im STILL not advocating abuse.
 
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Tintin

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Whoa! Sorry. I really was kidding.
No harm, I wasn't talking about you, sister or any others here. It was some time ago, before all of you were even members.
 
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Sirk

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"WHAT A MESS

Our world is a mess because our marriages are a mess. The Juvenile prisons are full of violent felons because they either grew up in homes without fathers, or had multiple abusive step fathers and step mothers. But broken homes are nothing new to our earth village. However what is new is the steep statistical growth in broken homes. At the beginning of the 20th century 10 out of every 100 marriages ended in divorce. By the end of the century it had grown to an alarming 60 out of every 100.

The number of people living together without marriage, and consequently the number of illegitimate children is pandemic.

Disturbingly the statistics for divorces among Christians are no different than from the general population.

I believe part of the fault lies in Christians no longer knowing Yah's teaching on Divorce.
  • "Where there is no vision the people perish" ( Proverbs 22.18 )
  • "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" ( Hosea 4.6 )

The Church leaders since the 20th Century have not given a consistent, clear teaching on marriage. At the beginning of the Century the message from every pulpit was "Marriage is between one man and one woman. Until death do us part."

But by the 21st Century many of the clergy were divorced. It is not uncommon to find them with their second mate, and some are with their sixth, or seventh spouse. As for the mess of marriage the preachers throw up their hands and say: "Can you unscramble an egg?" 99 out of 100 now accept divorce and remarriage as an unfortunate, but normal way of life.

SO WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?" >>>

The Marriage Bed is Upside Down
So does that mean that people are sleeping on the underside of the box spring?
 
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atwhatcost

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No harm, I wasn't talking about you, sister or any others here. It was some time ago, before all of you were even members.
I know. In part, you're the reason I am a member. I was looking up something I found in the Bible that wasn't explained well enough by my Dead Guys, so I googled. It seems you asked that same question sometime last year, so this site showed up. Never did get a full answer to my question, (there isn't one, at least, not in this lifetime), but joined this site. lol
 
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atwhatcost

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So does that mean that people are sleeping on the underside of the box spring?
See now? Perspective is everything. I hate cleaning, so pictured turning the mattress upside down all day, so dust doesn't fall on it. No more dust mite problems. lol
 
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BettyAnn

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Advocating,no. But as sad as it is there are Christians who are. And whether the Bible approves of the situation or ourselves as believers,they need the same respect as anyone else. Beyond that is a matter between the couple,God and preacher, and the right action depends on situation.

I myself am against divorce and err on the Bible. Doesn't mean I'm going to be disrespectful even if honest about things.
 

Shannon50

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The reason I posed the question is that it seems a lot of the advice here is to divorce. Now, I agree that some marriages will end and should end because of a lot of reasons, but I wonder if we would be wise to offer to pray, listen and support the person starting the thread th doing whatever they can to keep their vows.

We are a Christian community, and it seems in every other arena we argue ad nauseum to follow the bible strictly, but here, over and over again the advice isn't pray for them and watch God work. The encouragement isn't how can I support you in your vows of better or worse?

my heart aches for the heartache of those in tough marriages, as well as those who have divorced. In no was am I intending to shame. I want so much to love and encourage my Brothers and Sisters. Truly, this was a late night posted thread after reading here for awhile.

please forgive me if I am offensive.

--as a divorced woman, I can say, absolutely, that at Christians we should not be advocating divorce. When marriage dies, it is horribly painful, for everyone involved. I believe that God can restore anything. I also believe people have free will, will make poor decisions, and that God allows divorce, eventhough it is painful. He can create goodness out of tragedy.

I do think it is important not to condemn those who are divorced (so don't condemn me!) One of my struggles after I seperated was this feeling that I needed to share with others about what went wrong in my marriage, mostly so people wouldn't condemn me-- at the same time, I didn't want to lambaste my husband (now ex) in the small community where we live, where my children will grow up. I wanted people to make their own judgements about him, and not judge him from what I shared about him.

Before I experienced divorced, I was VERY judgemental in my heart against others who were divorced; without even knowing it!! God is teaching me through this process-- I have grown in my faith exponentially. I think it was Joni Eareckson who said, "Our God is bigger [meaning he is revealed to those who live with suffering] because we need him more"
 
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I am so sorry if you got the impression that I was condemning. I AM NOT. I just am concerned when I see thread after thread of people being advised to divorce. YES, we are given a Biblical reason when divorce is acceptable, however, I still think we should be encouraging our brothers and sisters to forgive and win back their spouses if at all possible.

I'm not advocating for abuse and that one should stay in a marriage just because, but I think it's dangerous to advise, "just divorce" and "he/she will never change". God does change hearts. And it says that the reason divorce is granted is because of hardness of hearts.

Please, please, please hear that I am not condemning, but encouraging the advisers on these threads to prayerfully consider if the advise they are giving is what they should be giving.
 

jandian

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GOD is the one who knows everything. He knows if you situation should result in divorce. Remember with all the arguments we give we cannot lie to the TRUTH. JESUS said divorce was only allowed if there is infidelity and even in that case it is for hardness of heart sake that it is allowed. This said to me that every opportunity to salvage a marriage should be explored before finally giving up. Only GOD will knows if you have truly maxed out your options.

Do all things through prayer.

Abide in peace