Defining Homosexuality

[sealabeag]

I'm trying to take a deep breath here - A teen posted something. I know this topic is discussed by teens. I know that I for one have things to say about it. I really think its unfair Adults hijack this room. You have all the other rooms to comment about this topic because I see its the feature topic in everyone of them. I don't think its fair that the agenda in those rooms are pushed here. This room I thought was for the Teens to push the agenda. I am afraid that the issues in the USA causing lots of emotion are going to be dumped here. If your an adult thinking of doing that well this is one teen whos telling you...think about posting it in an adult room and don't inject your emotions and agendas here please.

Don't agree with the whole "agenda pushing" thing you said, but yes, this is clearly Christian TEENS Forum, so I agree that non teens shouldn't be posting here. Us old folks have plenty other places. (I'm aware of the irony of me posting this here, but it was just to agree with Zoii) *disappears*

 

[zoii]

hopefully jlm we now can finally get a teen discussion. Do you know many in the gay community?

 

[kingerik]

I believe you can be born a homosexual, we are born and shaped by inquity, sin has deformed many of God's original and holy plans and until he comes back, it only gets worst.

How do we deal with this then? With love, righteous love but without giving up your own beliefs. I have gay friends and I love them and some of them are really funny and special to my heart but they know who I am and what I believe and they respect that and you know what works? Hanging out with them, not bible bashing, these are people with hearts and struggles and honestly, their sin is no worst to me then that of someone who's an adulter or a liar. Will they go to hell? If they don't except Jesus Christ as their savior they will. Just like any one else. God is righteous and once you accept he will change you to be more like him through his Holy Spirit. The liar will stop lying to be like Jesus, the cheater will stop cheating, and the homosexual will be changed to accurately reflect God's vision of sexuality.

Homosexuality is a sin? Yep
Do we love like usual? Yep.
Do we support homosexuality? No

That's how I feel, it burns me to pieces to see such hate and bigotry toward lgbt people.

 

[zoii]

I really like what you said about the bigotry against LBG teens

 

[zoii]

I cant imagine the unbearable pressure for some gay teens. One of my closest friends is Gay. Noone, not even her parents (especially not her parents) knows she's gay. Shes super pretty and guys buzz around her. She acts like shes interested and talks boys sometimes when my other friends are discussing guys. Why does she feel trapped - why does she feel like she cant talk about the emotions in her.

Well for a start her parents are very devout Christians. They are lovely people and have been good to my friend and I can she how she is loved. I was having dinner with her family when the news of Ireland's decision to legalize gay marriage came through. Without meaning to be hurtful they remarked how sinful this was. How condemned gays were. How horrible their acts were. How intolerable the whole gay issue was.

I was frozen. I just wanted to pull my friend into a hug. We got to her room and she cried and cried and cried. My beautiful and gentle friend.....it was so heart breaking.

I know all about self esteem issues and things that can build in your head until you do something you shouldn't. SO - I acknowledge the bible's position - but what I want from Christians is to go very very gently with teens. Telling them about some sort of reversion therapy or telling them they r going straight to hell just might send them to the end of a rope.

If that ever happened to my precious friend it would crush me n this world would have lost a jewel.

 

[pwrnJC]

OK....since you already know how GOD deals with homos, and what Scripture says about it..and yet you have this utopian idea that gays are being misunderstood and mistreated. Let's open up your heart and home and have a huge PITY PARTY for them. After all, gays were forced to be that way. Why, GOD himself made most of them that way, right? Gays parade their goods in public with PRIDE. Gays expect others to automatically include them in all events, movies, books, magazines, and personal plans. Gays have RIGHTS, as much as anyone else to choose a same sex partner, perform sexual acts together, show physical love and affection in public parks, grabbing each others buttocks, kissing, tickling, and carressing, right? Gays believe GOD smiles down upon them. Why, several gays told me that the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is FAKE and that sodomy is not connected to the city of SODOM at all..only CHRISTIANS assume that it is. Since your heart lies with the sad gays who suffer so much hatred because of their own choice, why not 'convert" Them to CHRISTIANITY so they can continue to praise GOD and give HIM The glory as they continue to believe they are Gay CHRISTIANS. Comments?

 

[pwrnJC]

Christ is the only resource your friend has. Only the Holy Spirit can move in such a way that she can change her homo ways. There is NO middle road when it comes to being Gay...THere is NO possible way to serve CHRIST and be gay at the same time. JESUS CHRIST died and rose for our sins..and sins include choosing to be a same sex partner to someone else. ONce forgiven, there is NO need to return to that same sin. However, humans tend to believe they can! Does your friend want to change? Are you encouraging her to be what she is? Her sad choices are her on. You cannot defend her to others. It is not your job or calling. Yes, you two can be friends..and if you can stomach a future with her and her significant other, knowing what lesbians do to each other, and it goes way beyond kissy poo and going to bed together, then that is YOUR choice. Excuse me, I have to run and vomit........

 

[zoii]

OK....since you already know how GOD deals with homos, and what Scripture says about it..and yet you have this utopian idea that gays are being misunderstood and mistreated. Let's open up your heart and home and have a huge PITY PARTY for them. After all, gays were forced to be that way. Why, GOD himself made most of them that way, right? Gays parade their goods in public with PRIDE. Gays expect others to automatically include them in all events, movies, books, magazines, and personal plans. Gays have RIGHTS, as much as anyone else to choose a same sex partner, perform sexual acts together, show physical love and affection in public parks, grabbing each others buttocks, kissing, tickling, and carressing, right? Gays believe GOD smiles down upon them. Why, several gays told me that the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is FAKE and that sodomy is not connected to the city of SODOM at all..only CHRISTIANS assume that it is. Since your heart lies with the sad gays who suffer so much hatred because of their own choice, why not 'convert" Them to CHRISTIANITY so they can continue to praise GOD and give HIM The glory as they continue to believe they are Gay CHRISTIANS. Comments?

pwrnJC. I don't want to have this thread deteriorate into the shambles I see in some adult rooms. Teens here are kind to each other and even though we have different views we make sure we don't bully one another. I'm no Mod but as I see it you are not here to support Teens or to guide - your here to post your own view. You have an adult room to do that - Its totally unfair you come in here and try to hammer teens expressing their thoughts. I will be making a complaint to the mods not because you have a view - but that you expressed it here and in this horrible way

 

[zoii]

Christ is the only resource your friend has. Only the Holy Spirit can move in such a way that she can change her homo ways. There is NO middle road when it comes to being Gay...THere is NO possible way to serve CHRIST and be gay at the same time. JESUS CHRIST died and rose for our sins..and sins include choosing to be a same sex partner to someone else. ONce forgiven, there is NO need to return to that same sin. However, humans tend to believe they can! Does your friend want to change? Are you encouraging her to be what she is? Her sad choices are her on. You cannot defend her to others. It is not your job or calling. Yes, you two can be friends..and if you can stomach a future with her and her significant other, knowing what lesbians do to each other, and it goes way beyond kissy poo and going to bed together, then that is YOUR choice. Excuse me, I have to run and vomit........

By the way as an 60 year old adult - your not welcome to post here - particularly hate mongering isn't welcome. You have adults rooms to practice this. Directing this at me or other teens is simply bullying and disgraceful

 

[Practice-English]

Zoii I don't want to talk about this subject,
It's too long to read...
It doesn't concern me...
I don't want to have any troubles anymore!!!
Sorry...

 

[zoii]

Zoii I don't want to talk about this subject,
It's too long to read...
It doesn't concern me...
I don't want to have any troubles anymore!!!
Sorry...

aww that's Ok don't worry. You can post whatever or whenever you want

 

[prodigal]

there are gay and lesbian sites for promoting their lifestyle, in cc we have quite a few that did live led by their gay desires, but since they came to the lord, they dont let their desires control them, we have seen the modern day preachers saying some are born that way, its in their dna, which is simply not true as as we can see with twins when only 1 is gay . We've had people trying to say its a bad translation in the bible, which doesn't stand up when we ask hebrew speaking scholars to go through the scriptures. as Christians we welcome all people but that doesn't mean we have to promote their lifestyle or keep quiet on issues that are affecting the church.

also i see the original poster has unsure next to spiritual status, so i think it is wise for older Christians to keep an eye on the direction of the thread that written by a non committed christian directed at our christian teens

 

[zoii]

there are gay and lesbian sites for promoting their lifestyle, in cc we have quite a few that did live led by their gay desires, but since they came to the lord, they dont let their desires control them, we have seen the modern day preachers saying some are born that way, its in their dna, which is simply not true as as we can see with twins when only 1 is gay . We've had people trying to say its a bad translation in the bible, which doesn't stand up when we ask hebrew speaking scholars to go through the scriptures. as Christians we welcome all people but that doesn't mean we have to promote their lifestyle or keep quiet on issues that are affecting the church.

also i see the original poster has unsure next to spiritual status, so i think it is wise for older Christians to keep an eye on the direction of the thread that written by a non committed christian directed at our christian teens

Thanks prodigal. I don't suppose anyone has the answer yet (probably more accurate is that I don't know the answer) regarding why some men and women are gay. I was interested in your point that some remain Christians and suppress their desires.... when I think about my friend I feel sad for her....She'll be told if shes to be a Christian she cannot fall in love.... how heart breaking.

I accept your view what the bible says.
You've made points and you didn't do it in a hateful way. I appreciate that.
The person who posted - being unsure doesn't mean your not entitled to post...to me it means he's finding his way...so am I.
I don't know wot to think about adults posting - Ive had bad experiences around this and I was hoping it was the Mods job to ensure things went OK here. I guess wot I want to say is all I ask for is a better level of conduct then I see elsewhere and you've done that - ty

 

[kaylagrl]

To whoever wrote a nasty reputation comment to me about this thread I wasnt the only adult who mentioned this shouldnt be discussed in the teen forum. So I didnt "get my wish" and didnt appreciate the comment.If you have something to say to me have the courage to private mail me and speak to me,not leaving a nasty comment.I have nothing to do with how things are discussed here.Im not a moderator and dont know any of them.

 

[Mitspa]

To make one thing clear, I am not homosexual. However, I've become very annoyed with a lot of people who mercilessly shame and degrade them. I understand that there are many gay and lesbian people who are actively trying to destroy the foundations of Christianity. But there are also few who claim they have no say in who they love. Seeing as the concept of love is somewhat cloudy these days, I want to define IT before I attempt to define homosexuality. The perfect example of love is Christ's selfless sacrifice for us on the cross. Wanting to save us - the sinful, foul, dirty beings that we are - and inviting us into His family and His care. Love is more than just something you feel. It's when you are selfless enough to put others above yourself and treat them with a sincere serving heart.

I've thought a lot about whether people are born homosexual or not and have come to an unfinished conclusion.
It is that people are conceived in sin and that it is the law that condemns us. Whether we want to seek Christ and obey Him or follow our own wishes and desires - it is a choice we make with how we live our lives. I don't doubt that there are gay and lesbian couples who put their partner above themselves and love them dearly. However, this isn't the plan that God envisioned when he designed both man and woman. There are multiple occasions when the scriptures tell us that sleeping or being partners with people of the opposite genders is unnatural (in God's eyes) - indirectly in Genesis and clearly in Romans.

I see too many people treating the homosexual community like they're barely people. Others try to guilt trip or shame them by telling them that God hates them or they're going to hell. While the first is false and the second is frighteningly true, I think many Christians are making a mistake by calling out people on the sins they struggle with - when they should be telling them that everyone is filthy compared to Christ and that his blood can wash away all of that.

Please feel free to clearly comment what you think or feel below. Like, your experiences with the gay community or why you hate them so much - or if you're gay, your perspective is desired but not demanded. I hope people of different world views can feel free to comment on this.

I would be glad to help anyone who struggles with this sin...I have had real issues with sexual lust in the past but I admitted my sin to Christ and ask for His grace and power to overcome and He has been faithful where I have been honest about my sin. Had I not confessed and admitted my sin because others or society had convinced me that it was not sin...I would not have ever know the true grace of God ... So I don't hate or despise anyone in sin, but I love them enough to want to see them come to Christ and be set free from sins power.

 

[jlm47]

Hi Jlm, Peace and Grace to you!
Your'e description of how some Christians are treating those who practice homosexuality may have been true in the past, and I'm sure to some extent still happens today, but it has been my experience that the OPPOSITE of what you describe is happening today. Many homosexuals and their supporters bully, harrass, threaten, and in cases physically assault Bible-beleiving Christians. Here is just one example of Christian teens being bullied AT SCHOOL by of all people a homosexual advocate talking about bullying!:

[video]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/30/dan-savage-is-wrong-for-anti-bullying-campaign-following-controversial-comments/[/video]

I can testify to this and I admit that the last time I reread my post, ,it appeared as if I was defending the sin of homosexuality (and now I'm like GOD FORBID because it is abhorrent to the almighty). Even at my school, almost every teacher I've sat under has said degrading things about Christ and his followers. But I can't get up and say "But you don't understand," because of the shunning that is beginning to take place.

 

[jlm47]

the gay agenda which is ran by those who are not even homosexual mostly should be addressed. And it appears from the past 30 years Christians are not the problem

I've been hearing a lot about the gay agenda, the globalist agenda and stuff like that lately but do you really think they're planning everything out? Or would Satan be devising our demise? There are many things being pushed that are making Christians appear at fault. I can smell a time approaching where Christians are going to be called criminals. But wasn't this already coming?

 

[jlm47]

also i see the original poster has unsure next to spiritual status, so i think it is wise for older Christians to keep an eye on the direction of the thread that written by a non committed christian directed at our christian teens

I changed it to unsure not too long ago because I was scared about whether I had the ability to be obedient to Christ. Gonna go change that now ------- because I can't save myself only Jesus can

 

[jlm47]

@zoii I know this is a teen forum but I think the adults have the authority to make sure we young ones are on the right track

As the blue ladybug lady said earlier, I should have posted this in the family forum.

 

[pwrnJC]

Whether you think a person expresses their thoughts on being gay as sweet or hateful..the fact remains...by accepting homosexuality as the norm for some people, it still ends up a disgusting sin, knowing the physical things they do with each other during their love making episodes...it goes way beyond holding hands in public....how anyone can embrace that and praise it only shows how deeply they are misguided and bent on lusts and worst. I'm not sure which is worse: Being gay or accepting it as being natural and supporting gays staying as they are.