Defining Homosexuality

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jlm47

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To make one thing clear, I am not homosexual. However, I've become very annoyed with a lot of people who mercilessly shame and degrade them. I understand that there are many gay and lesbian people who are actively trying to destroy the foundations of Christianity. But there are also few who claim they have no say in who they love. Seeing as the concept of love is somewhat cloudy these days, I want to define IT before I attempt to define homosexuality. The perfect example of love is Christ's selfless sacrifice for us on the cross. Wanting to save us - the sinful, foul, dirty beings that we are - and inviting us into His family and His care. Love is more than just something you feel. It's when you are selfless enough to put others above yourself and treat them with a sincere serving heart.

I've thought a lot about whether people are born homosexual or not and have come to an unfinished conclusion.
It is that people are conceived in sin and that it is the law that condemns us. Whether we want to seek Christ and obey Him or follow our own wishes and desires - it is a choice we make with how we live our lives. I don't doubt that there are gay and lesbian couples who put their partner above themselves and love them dearly. However, this isn't the plan that God envisioned when he designed both man and woman. There are multiple occasions when the scriptures tell us that sleeping or being partners with people of the opposite genders is unnatural (in God's eyes) - indirectly in Genesis and clearly in Romans.

I see too many people treating the homosexual community like they're barely people. Others try to guilt trip or shame them by telling them that God hates them or they're going to hell. While the first is false and the second is frighteningly true, I think many Christians are making a mistake by calling out people on the sins they struggle with - when they should be telling them that everyone is filthy compared to Christ and that his blood can wash away all of that.

Please feel free to clearly comment what you think or feel below. Like, your experiences with the gay community or why you hate them so much - or if you're gay, your perspective is desired but not demanded. I hope people of different world views can feel free to comment on this.
 

blue_ladybug

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This is more appropriate for the Family forum, not the teens forum..
 
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jlm47

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Whoops

How do I delete this so I can repost it there?
 

blue_ladybug

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Whoops

How do I delete this so I can repost it there?

I already sent the mods a report, asking them to please move this thread to Family for you.. :)
 
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To make one thing clear, I am not homosexual. However, I've become very annoyed with a lot of people who mercilessly shame and degrade them. I understand that there are many gay and lesbian people who are actively trying to destroy the foundations of Christianity. But there are also few who claim they have no say in who they love. Seeing as the concept of love is somewhat cloudy these days, I want to define IT before I attempt to define homosexuality. The perfect example of love is Christ's selfless sacrifice for us on the cross. Wanting to save us - the sinful, foul, dirty beings that we are - and inviting us into His family and His care. Love is more than just something you feel. It's when you are selfless enough to put others above yourself and treat them with a sincere serving heart.

I've thought a lot about whether people are born homosexual or not and have come to an unfinished conclusion.
It is that people are conceived in sin and that it is the law that condemns us. Whether we want to seek Christ and obey Him or follow our own wishes and desires - it is a choice we make with how we live our lives. I don't doubt that there are gay and lesbian couples who put their partner above themselves and love them dearly. However, this isn't the plan that God envisioned when he designed both man and woman. There are multiple occasions when the scriptures tell us that sleeping or being partners with people of the opposite genders is unnatural (in God's eyes) - indirectly in Genesis and clearly in Romans.

I see too many people treating the homosexual community like they're barely people. Others try to guilt trip or shame them by telling them that God hates them or they're going to hell. While the first is false and the second is frighteningly true, I think many Christians are making a mistake by calling out people on the sins they struggle with - when they should be telling them that everyone is filthy compared to Christ and that his blood can wash away all of that.

Please feel free to clearly comment what you think or feel below. Like, your experiences with the gay community or why you hate them so much - or if you're gay, your perspective is desired but not demanded. I hope people of different world views can feel free to comment on this.
Your a teenager so your welcome to post. This topic is fine - it rages in every other room and for the record, its TEEN homosexuals who suffer endless bullying, depression and self harm. This is a good topic for us and its one close to my heart because I have friends I adore who are gay and I feel hurt for them when I read some of the things written here. I appreciate you posting this - ty
 
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I already sent the mods a report, asking them to please move this thread to Family for you.. :)
Rule #9
9. Please do not hang out where you do not belong.
Please do not use the Teens chat room unless you are between 13 and 19 years old. And please do not use the Singles chat room unless you are single and 18 or older. (The other chat rooms are for general fellowship and are open to all.)

I believe Zoii is correct.
 

zoii

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When I think of my beautiful friends, so smart and gentle - I really struggle with all this. How can someone like this be despised. How can they be held so negatively that not only are they told they are going to hell but that they threaten society as a whole. I know here I'm bound to cop criticism for my view but I hold onto the view that god made everyone. God made us what and who we are.... and yes I know the verses in the bible that are quoted about this. That they are instinctively are attracted to the same sex is...well just that an instinct - something they are born to. if god made them this way and they are loving and gentle and smart and everything a good person should be....well who am I to judge....the answer is I'm not going to judge..... God will and I think he will be kind and just and merciful.
 
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kaylagrl

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To make one thing clear, I am not homosexual. However, I've become very annoyed with a lot of people who mercilessly shame and degrade them. I understand that there are many gay and lesbian people who are actively trying to destroy the foundations of Christianity. But there are also few who claim they have no say in who they love. Seeing as the concept of love is somewhat cloudy these days, I want to define IT before I attempt to define homosexuality. The perfect example of love is Christ's selfless sacrifice for us on the cross. Wanting to save us - the sinful, foul, dirty beings that we are - and inviting us into His family and His care. Love is more than just something you feel. It's when you are selfless enough to put others above yourself and treat them with a sincere serving heart.

I've thought a lot about whether people are born homosexual or not and have come to an unfinished conclusion.
It is that people are conceived in sin and that it is the law that condemns us. Whether we want to seek Christ and obey Him or follow our own wishes and desires - it is a choice we make with how we live our lives. I don't doubt that there are gay and lesbian couples who put their partner above themselves and love them dearly. However, this isn't the plan that God envisioned when he designed both man and woman. There are multiple occasions when the scriptures tell us that sleeping or being partners with people of the opposite genders is unnatural (in God's eyes) - indirectly in Genesis and clearly in Romans.

I see too many people treating the homosexual community like they're barely people. Others try to guilt trip or shame them by telling them that God hates them or they're going to hell. While the first is false and the second is frighteningly true, I think many Christians are making a mistake by calling out people on the sins they struggle with - when they should be telling them that everyone is filthy compared to Christ and that his blood can wash away all of that.

Please feel free to clearly comment what you think or feel below. Like, your experiences with the gay community or why you hate them so much - or if you're gay, your perspective is desired but not demanded. I hope people of different world views can feel free to comment on this.

Quote---"Please feel free to clearly comment what you think or feel below. Like, your experiences with the gay community or why you hate them so much"...

You are making an assumption that to disagree with the gay lifestyle is to hate a gay person.This is not true. To hate anyone is the same as murder according to the Bible. So a true Christian doesnt hate anyone.

God loves the sinner.He just hates sin.I believe if Jesus were walking our streets today he would be talking with homosexuals,telling them there is a better way than the bondage of homosexuality.
 
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kaylagrl

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Rule #9
9. Please do not hang out where you do not belong.
Please do not use the Teens chat room unless you are between 13 and 19 years old. And please do not use the Singles chat room unless you are single and 18 or older. (The other chat rooms are for general fellowship and are open to all.)

I believe Zoii is correct.

This issue is an adult one and will be dealt with in another forum. Im guessing people are like me and see a post but not what forum it is in and may comment.But this post is an adult topic and should be dealt with elsewhere.
 

zoii

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This issue is an adult one and will be dealt with in another forum. Im guessing people are like me and see a post but not what forum it is in and may comment.But this post is an adult topic and should be dealt with elsewhere.
Kaylagrl I don't agree. People my age have huge problems around this. If teens didn't think this was an issue we would never discuss it. Saying we shouldn't know about it is too late - we already do and we discuss it. Its been spoken about here with respect to one another and probably with a lot more sensitivity than I have seen in the rooms you want to shift it to. Your pretty much telling teens that its the adults who will tell us what to discuss even though we conduct ourselves according to guidelines and with gentleness.
 
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kaylagrl

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Kaylagrl I don't agree. People my age have huge problems around this. If teens didn't think this was an issue we would never discuss it. Saying we shouldn't know about it is too late - we already do and we discuss it. Its been spoken about here with respect to one another and probably with a lot more sensitivity than I have seen in the rooms you want to shift it to. Your pretty much telling teens that its the adults who will tell us what to discuss even though we conduct ourselves according to guidelines and with gentleness.

No Im saying its an issue that needs to be talked about with adult Christians involved,not just teen discussion. We need to be careful we are following Bible guidelines when talking about issues regarding sex.Gay or straight. As ladybug has said there are better forums to discuss this.The family forum has good discussion.The Bible forum is where things get heated.
 

zoii

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No Im saying its an issue that needs to be talked about with adult Christians involved,not just teen discussion. We need to be careful we are following Bible guidelines when talking about issues regarding sex.Gay or straight. As ladybug has said there are better forums to discuss this.The family forum has good discussion.The Bible forum is where things get heated.
I know your saying this because you have teens best interests at heart. I know some adults will comment here anyway. I just know from past experiences that I do not want to say anything in any other room. I am nervous about how things can go. Here I feel like I can say something and feel a little safer. Please don't take this opportunity away from me and other teens.
 
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kaylagrl

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I know your saying this because you have teens best interests at heart. I know some adults will comment here anyway. I just know from past experiences that I do not want to say anything in any other room. I am nervous about how things can go. Here I feel like I can say something and feel a little safer. Please don't take this opportunity away from me and other teens.
Im sorry you dont feel safe in other rooms.I have reprimanded adults because of that. I will drop in on the discussion and see how it progresses. I understand mods not wanting adults hanging here for safety reasons but sometimes teens need adult answers.I guess its up to the mods to decide if an adult cannot post here.
 
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Kaylagrl I don't agree. People my age have huge problems around this. If teens didn't think this was an issue we would never discuss it. Saying we shouldn't know about it is too late - we already do and we discuss it. Its been spoken about here with respect to one another and probably with a lot more sensitivity than I have seen in the rooms you want to shift it to. Your pretty much telling teens that its the adults who will tell us what to discuss even though we conduct ourselves according to guidelines and with gentleness.
I agree with THAT Zooii!

You are an ADULT teen of 14? (I´m happily surprised)

I hope TEENS do have a moderator, if case that be needed but, I do agree on what you said, when it is NOT too late.

I have talk to some girls, friends of one of my siblings and, that problem, is ALSO affecting teen BECAUSE that sexual exploration also could be "rooted" at that age.

God bless you all, childs of God!
 
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Im sorry you dont feel safe in other rooms.I have reprimanded adults because of that. I will drop in on the discussion and see how it progresses. I understand mods not wanting adults hanging here for safety reasons but sometimes teens need adult answers.I guess its up to the mods to decide if an adult cannot post here.
Hi, Kayla!

Let´s face it! They need you (if you would like).

Adulhood or teenagers are exploring it.

I beg you to walk with them, please. The way you think better.
 
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I know your saying this because you have teens best interests at heart. I know some adults will comment here anyway. I just know from past experiences that I do not want to say anything in any other room. I am nervous about how things can go. Here I feel like I can say something and feel a little safer. Please don't take this opportunity away from me and other teens.
I´d dare to recommend Teenager do not say: "I´m doing this" or that. Here, on the internet, are ppl preying, taking pics of our thoughts, scanning our minds, to see what they can harvest and, as far as I could, I would post on the "adult" forum. I´m too visual (graphic) and, it seems I say things the wrong way, some other way ppl do not like. So I will follow up CC´s rules.

May the Lord lead YOU all on FLEEING from homosexuality.
 

CS1

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To make one thing clear, I am not homosexual. However, I've become very annoyed with a lot of people who mercilessly shame and degrade them. I understand that there are many gay and lesbian people who are actively trying to destroy the foundations of Christianity. But there are also few who claim they have no say in who they love. Seeing as the concept of love is somewhat cloudy these days, I want to define IT before I attempt to define homosexuality. The perfect example of love is Christ's selfless sacrifice for us on the cross. Wanting to save us - the sinful, foul, dirty beings that we are - and inviting us into His family and His care. Love is more than just something you feel. It's when you are selfless enough to put others above yourself and treat them with a sincere serving heart.

I've thought a lot about whether people are born homosexual or not and have come to an unfinished conclusion.
It is that people are conceived in sin and that it is the law that condemns us. Whether we want to seek Christ and obey Him or follow our own wishes and desires - it is a choice we make with how we live our lives. I don't doubt that there are gay and lesbian couples who put their partner above themselves and love them dearly. However, this isn't the plan that God envisioned when he designed both man and woman. There are multiple occasions when the scriptures tell us that sleeping or being partners with people of the opposite genders is unnatural (in God's eyes) - indirectly in Genesis and clearly in Romans.

I see too many people treating the homosexual community like they're barely people. Others try to guilt trip or shame them by telling them that God hates them or they're going to hell. While the first is false and the second is frighteningly true, I think many Christians are making a mistake by calling out people on the sins they struggle with - when they should be telling them that everyone is filthy compared to Christ and that his blood can wash away all of that.

Please feel free to clearly comment what you think or feel below. Like, your experiences with the gay community or why you hate them so much - or if you're gay, your perspective is desired but not demanded. I hope people of different world views can feel free to comment on this.

your post is very interesting and I would like to give it the respect by answering some points you have spoken about. in your post you yourself speak of "gay community " how can a sexual preference be seen as such? This is part of the deception of this type of sin. Also " lesbianism" roots are in feminism created in opposition to male dominant society and strong attacks to the word of God and His plan for Marriage. You stated " I see too many people treating the homosexual community like they're barely people." Is that in context to this web site ? because it is not the norm because some would argue the " church has been way to silent on this issue which like no other sin attacks each family, mandated to be taught in school in many states, laws created to prevent the message of Conversion i.e. Banned of "Conversion therapy". and I do not know how much history you have on the issue of sexual orientation but many Christians supported the law of Not to discriminate one in getting a job based on sexual preference. Many in the church believed as they do now no one should stop a person from working. Now we said when this law passed back then this could lead to gay marriage our law makers then said no it would not. that was just 30 years ago.
it is not Christian today who are attacking those who see themselves as struggling with sin. it is those who remove every Monument from public " TEN Commandments", Military Crosses memorials, courts over turning laws voted by the people. the gender neutral restrooms in out public schools, the talk of suing church who preach Homosexuality is a sin as they do Adultery, stealing, Murder, and fornication. it is the attack on those who Quote the bible gen 2:24 and Our Lord Jesus Christ in Matt 5, 6, and 7. it the assumption as you stated of doubt of their love. it can not be love if one has be deceived. "
I've become very annoyed with a lot of people who mercilessly shame and degrade them. " ​I agree that is not the way to witness Christ however, the last gay parade had Jesus on a Christ mocking and other perverted things I will not mention. Christian have been taking that for the sake of Christ and continue to do so. The struggling homosexual , drunks, drug addict, and many other issues of life can be found in many of the churches today. And Christ is till the answer and is the only Answer.
 

PennEd

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To make one thing clear, I am not homosexual. However, I've become very annoyed with a lot of people who mercilessly shame and degrade them. I understand that there are many gay and lesbian people who are actively trying to destroy the foundations of Christianity. But there are also few who claim they have no say in who they love. Seeing as the concept of love is somewhat cloudy these days, I want to define IT before I attempt to define homosexuality. The perfect example of love is Christ's selfless sacrifice for us on the cross. Wanting to save us - the sinful, foul, dirty beings that we are - and inviting us into His family and His care. Love is more than just something you feel. It's when you are selfless enough to put others above yourself and treat them with a sincere serving heart.

I've thought a lot about whether people are born homosexual or not and have come to an unfinished conclusion.
It is that people are conceived in sin and that it is the law that condemns us. Whether we want to seek Christ and obey Him or follow our own wishes and desires - it is a choice we make with how we live our lives. I don't doubt that there are gay and lesbian couples who put their partner above themselves and love them dearly. However, this isn't the plan that God envisioned when he designed both man and woman. There are multiple occasions when the scriptures tell us that sleeping or being partners with people of the opposite genders is unnatural (in God's eyes) - indirectly in Genesis and clearly in Romans.

I see too many people treating the homosexual community like they're barely people. Others try to guilt trip or shame them by telling them that God hates them or they're going to hell. While the first is false and the second is frighteningly true, I think many Christians are making a mistake by calling out people on the sins they struggle with - when they should be telling them that everyone is filthy compared to Christ and that his blood can wash away all of that.

Please feel free to clearly comment what you think or feel below. Like, your experiences with the gay community or why you hate them so much - or if you're gay, your perspective is desired but not demanded. I hope people of different world views can feel free to comment on this.
Hi Jlm, Peace and Grace to you!
Your'e description of how some Christians are treating those who practice homosexuality may have been true in the past, and I'm sure to some extent still happens today, but it has been my experience that the OPPOSITE of what you describe is happening today. Many homosexuals and their supporters bully, harrass, threaten, and in cases physically assault Bible-beleiving Christians. Here is just one example of Christian teens being bullied AT SCHOOL by of all people a homosexual advocate talking about bullying!:

[video]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/30/dan-savage-is-wrong-for-anti-bullying-campaign-following-controversial-comments/[/video]
 

CS1

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your post is very interesting and I would like to give it the respect by answering some points you have spoken about. in your post you yourself speak of "gay community " how can a sexual preference be seen as such? This is part of the deception of this type of sin. Also " lesbianism" roots are in feminism created in opposition to male dominant society and strong attacks to the word of God and His plan for Marriage. You stated " I see too many people treating the homosexual community like they're barely people." Is that in context to this web site ? because it is not the norm because some would argue the " church has been way to silent on this issue which like no other sin attacks each family, mandated to be taught in school in many states, laws created to prevent the message of Conversion i.e. Banned of "Conversion therapy". and I do not know how much history you have on the issue of sexual orientation but many Christians supported the law of Not to discriminate one in getting a job based on sexual preference. Many in the church believed as they do now no one should stop a person from working. Now we said when this law passed back then this could lead to gay marriage our law makers then said no it would not. that was just 30 years ago.
it is not Christian today who are attacking those who see themselves as struggling with sin. it is those who remove every Monument from public " TEN Commandments", Military Crosses memorials, courts over turning laws voted by the people. the gender neutral restrooms in out public schools, the talk of suing church who preach Homosexuality is a sin as they do Adultery, stealing, Murder, and fornication. it is the attack on those who Quote the bible gen 2:24 and Our Lord Jesus Christ in Matt 5, 6, and 7. it the assumption as you stated of doubt of their love. it can not be love if one has be deceived. "
I've become very annoyed with a lot of people who mercilessly shame and degrade them. " ​I agree that is not the way to witness Christ however, the last gay parade had Jesus on a Christ mocking and other perverted things I will not mention. Christian have been taking that for the sake of Christ and continue to do so. The struggling homosexual , drunks, drug addict, and many other issues of life can be found in many of the churches today. And Christ is till the answer and is the only Answer.
the gay agenda which is ran by those who are not even homosexual mostly should be addressed. And it appears from the past 30 years Christians are not the problem :)
 

zoii

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I'm trying to take a deep breath here - A teen posted something. I know this topic is discussed by teens. I know that I for one have things to say about it. I really think its unfair Adults hijack this room. You have all the other rooms to comment about this topic because I see its the feature topic in everyone of them. I don't think its fair that the agenda in those rooms are pushed here. This room I thought was for the Teens to push the agenda. I am afraid that the issues in the USA causing lots of emotion are going to be dumped here. If your an adult thinking of doing that well this is one teen whos telling you...think about posting it in an adult room and don't inject your emotions and agendas here please.