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Very true. Some of OP statements paraphrased: I'm an ardent Christian...wanted a child, now I don't. I almost died with first pregnancy, but my husband and I wanted another child, so here I am pregnant again.
Can I willingly, willfully sin and then ask God to forgive me?
Putting forth such questions and statements reveal the real intent.
Can I willingly, willfully sin and then ask God to forgive me?
Putting forth such questions and statements reveal the real intent.
Even if you feel it's a troll. You should still come at it with God's grace and Love. Because IF she isn't.. Than treating it as if she is would really be wrong.
Although, I myself feel this is another trolling. But still treat it as if its not. If this is real.. It's a real concern and the OP does need some answers. Even if we may not agree with abortion.. It's a question about God's grace.
Troll or not.. Always show God's love.
Although, I myself feel this is another trolling. But still treat it as if its not. If this is real.. It's a real concern and the OP does need some answers. Even if we may not agree with abortion.. It's a question about God's grace.
Troll or not.. Always show God's love.
A little compassion for the less fortunate would be refreshing.
It is something to consider when Gods grace offends our sense of justice.
Gods desire is to bind up and mend in compassion the heart that is wounded. I hate abortion as much as the next person but I must find compassion for the person facing such terrible decisions as these.
How many times have I offended God with my sinfulness and He was compassionate toward me and just how many times God pitied me and forgave when I deserved judgment.
As Jesus said let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
Even if this is a troll thread it is good to consider the need to demonstrate kindness and compassion toward others who have needs.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
It is something to consider when Gods grace offends our sense of justice.
Gods desire is to bind up and mend in compassion the heart that is wounded. I hate abortion as much as the next person but I must find compassion for the person facing such terrible decisions as these.
How many times have I offended God with my sinfulness and He was compassionate toward me and just how many times God pitied me and forgave when I deserved judgment.
As Jesus said let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
Even if this is a troll thread it is good to consider the need to demonstrate kindness and compassion toward others who have needs.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The OP wanted to know if God's grace would cover her having the abortion. In other words, she's looking for justification to knowingly kill this baby and still be forgiven. Yes, she almost died the first time, BUT there's no guarantee that will happen again with this baby. God answered her prayer of wanting another baby. She needs to accept it and keep it.
But Galahad, when do we not WILLINGLY sin? Do people by any chance sin by accident? Its not like we didn't know certain things are or are not sinful...I will speak for myself and say when I sin I know very well that I am sinning...sometimes the sin can seem very appealing...does that make me less worthy of forgiveness or God's grace? Of course not...suggesting God won't forgive her for taking a nonGodly route...sounds as silly as suggesting God won't forgive someone who commits murder or adultery...they surely willingly and willfully sinned...suggesting that God's grace and forgiveness is conditional has just removed the term "Grace" from the equation...
Now my intention here is not to attack fellow Christians or pick and prod...in fact I put myself out there as someone who sins and needs God's unconditional grace...what I am suggesting is that we show some love and grace regardless of the position or decision one chooses to make as God does to you me and everyone of his children when we choose to sin or choose not to.
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5 post into this forum and you seem to think you have all the answers...well you have to earn the right to correct others here... and if you think killing a baby is a small thing? Or should not be called what it is? then you and me are going to disagree a whole lot ...im ok with that 
Play these games on the BDF or the conspiracy forum, but don't play games when someone's life might well hang in the balance.
Old adage: If someone calls you a duck, ignore them. If two people call you a duck, think about it. If three people call you a duck, start quacking and head for a pond. I have you ignored since I called you a duck. This is, at the very least, time to think about it. Quite possibly time to head for a pond. Meanwhile, shut your trap on someone who IS making a life or death decision.
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If someone come on this forum and said they was thinking of committing murder, and they had some reasons to do so...would Gods grace cover that? I think everyone would have very direct answers to such a person...but because our society has been taught to see abortion as a "womans issue" we are supposed to make excuses for it...no Im sorry, some of us never see the grace of God in anyway or at anytime being used to in anyway justify killing a baby...if that view offends others...ok
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If someone come on this forum and said they was thinking of committing murder, and they had some reasons to do so...would Gods grace cover that? I think everyone would have very direct answers to such a person...but because our society has been taught to see abortion as a "womans issue" we are supposed to make excuses for it...no Im sorry, some of us never see the grace of God in anyway or at anytime being used to in anyway justify killing a baby...if that view offends others...ok
The rest of us see a struggling soul who is desperately seeking help. If someone is threatening to commit suicide, and has a gun to their head -- Do you have compassion and empathy for that person, as you are trying to help them - Or, do you use brute-force and say: "If you pull that trigger, you're going to Hell." ??
Put yourself in the OP's shoes for a few. Imagine you almost lost your life after your first childbirth - and now you're preggo again.
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I slip sometimes. See Galatians 6:1. Overtaken in a fault. That's what is meant. The OP wants to kill the baby. The OP knows it is a sin. The OP is not overtaken in a fault.
"I will speak for myself and say when I sin I know very well that I am sinning." You may know you are sinning, but do you willfully sin all the time? Hope not. You ever get caught up, slip, fall.
My post does not say God will not forgive her.
I purposely left that out. Only God will know if she's truly sorry.
Her attitude: "I know abortion is wrong. It is a sin. I will abort my child so I don't have to carry the child and suffer. But I will HAVE A REPENTANT heart after I abort my child." And that's the attitude from someone who says she's an "ardent" Christian.
Do you know what produces repentance, convicts? The truth. The word of God, inspired by the Holy Spirit.
If she plans repenting afterwards, and knows she should, why doesn't she change before she aborts the child? Why? Because she's playing games with God and His grace, and if she doesn't stop playing games, she'll regret it.
Sadly, in her game she's introduced the life a helpless baby.
"I will speak for myself and say when I sin I know very well that I am sinning." You may know you are sinning, but do you willfully sin all the time? Hope not. You ever get caught up, slip, fall.
My post does not say God will not forgive her.
I purposely left that out. Only God will know if she's truly sorry.
Her attitude: "I know abortion is wrong. It is a sin. I will abort my child so I don't have to carry the child and suffer. But I will HAVE A REPENTANT heart after I abort my child." And that's the attitude from someone who says she's an "ardent" Christian.
Do you know what produces repentance, convicts? The truth. The word of God, inspired by the Holy Spirit.
If she plans repenting afterwards, and knows she should, why doesn't she change before she aborts the child? Why? Because she's playing games with God and His grace, and if she doesn't stop playing games, she'll regret it.
Sadly, in her game she's introduced the life a helpless baby.
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Please, in the future do not ever say that again. "But Galahad."
Why? It sounds like you are warning me that what I am about to see is of little thought and consequence.
"But Galahad. Look out. What is ahead is a but." So when I keep reading I am hit with the but nonsense.
All kidding aside. I appreciate your response. You do offer truthful things. You do. For this OP, those truths are far down the road from her present attitude.
Almost died by pregnancy. Wanted another child. Got pregnant. Want to abort the child.
Will abort. Then be sorry that I aborted the child.
I am an ardent Christian.
That's what I call a bologna sandwich topped with fudge.
Why? It sounds like you are warning me that what I am about to see is of little thought and consequence.
"But Galahad. Look out. What is ahead is a but." So when I keep reading I am hit with the but nonsense.
All kidding aside. I appreciate your response. You do offer truthful things. You do. For this OP, those truths are far down the road from her present attitude.
Almost died by pregnancy. Wanted another child. Got pregnant. Want to abort the child.
Will abort. Then be sorry that I aborted the child.
I am an ardent Christian.
That's what I call a bologna sandwich topped with fudge.
Sounds to me like the OP is wavering in her faith. We are all at different levels in our walk with God. She went through a terrible ordeal. She then asked God for a baby he granted her prayer.
I'm thinking maybe she allowed fear to grip her and all kinds of "what ifs" and "you shoulds" went through her head which increased her panic and fear.
Instead of praying she let it take root in her spirit and became desperate and confused. We all know who the author of confusion is. I pray she gets the help that she needs and that God intervenes and leads her the right way.
I'm thinking maybe she allowed fear to grip her and all kinds of "what ifs" and "you shoulds" went through her head which increased her panic and fear.
Instead of praying she let it take root in her spirit and became desperate and confused. We all know who the author of confusion is. I pray she gets the help that she needs and that God intervenes and leads her the right way.
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