So your opinions and feelings are more important than what God wants?

shineyourlight · Jul 30, 2015

She probably didn't come back on because of the type of responses she received.

Because she did respond, trying to explain in the thread, but not many people listened to her. Some people are desperate and their first posts might be something so serious because they need to reach out. I've done that in the past and I've never been a troll. Everyone is different.

I know that others have been trolls who have done something similar, but I personally don't think she was. And all she got was hateful and judgmental comments. I am 100% opposed to abortion, but instead of reaching out in judgment, we need to reach out in love and in truth.

kaylagrl · Jul 30, 2015

shineyourlight said:

You can have compassion all day long but you cannot agree that abortion is right.In the other post she finally posted again and said she and her husband have made up their minds so I dont know why she posted if she pretty much had her mind made up.What made me have a more direct response to her is the manner in which she posted.She asked if God would forgive her for the abortion she was about to commit.I could not agree to that.She wanted a baby and God gave her her desire.She knew she had a hard pregnancy before so why would she risk her health and that of the baby? If it was that serious a situation? This child has no choice,it didnt ask to be born.I said she needed to trust God to carry her through and ask for the women of her church to have round the clock prayer and someone here accused me of not being compassionate. I dont know how telling someone you can trust God to carry you through isnt compassionate.Yes I understand she has fear and health issues but that doesnt give her the right to take the life of the child.To say that God would be "ok" with that would be lying to her and Im not willing to lie to her just to make her feel better about what she is about to do.I truly hope she changes her mind.She will deeply regret it if she does not.

Mo0448 · Jul 30, 2015

kaylagrl said:

See Kaylagrl this is more about the responses on the thread that's rubbed some people myself included the wrong way...If I recall correctly you said that if she knowingly sinned and had an abortion that God wouldn't forgive her? What scripture says that if we sin we won't be forgiven? Last time I checked we ALL sin and knowingly do it...

I know what scriptures say and I'll be the first to say I'm pro-life all the way...and always will be...but IMO some of the responses did not convey grace...they conveyed a holier than thou attitude...I've really have held back as much as I can to not say this because I don't want to start an argument especially over the interwebs its silly...but while I agree with your cause I disagreed with yours and other's delivery of the message that's all...

kaylagrl · Jul 30, 2015

Mo0448 said:

No,I dont think I said God would not forgive her.I'd have to go back but pretty sure I did not say that. But that is something to be very careful about.I think I in fact avoided that question simply saying abortion is wrong.People ask if God will forgive you if you commit suicide.Again you need to be very careful when talking about the sanctity of life. So I simply say it is wrong to commit suicide.God can forgive murder but can we forgive ourselves? What consequences,what regret and grief do ,we have to face because of choices we make? To say to her so easily "oh yes God will forgive,go ahead and sin" to me is ridiculous. Abortion is wrong and she needs to stop and think,get support from the women of her church,her pastor and people who will pray her through.I did mention this in my posts.What she didnt need is for people to assuage her conscience and tell her God would forgive,end of story.Abortion has consequences and she cant go back in time.She said she is suffering depression,and this will only increase after an abortion.As a Christian when she realizes what she has done I believe she will not be able to handle that.People are worried about her health having the baby,I worry about her stability after an abortion,to the point she may take her own life since she is already under severe depression. There are two sides to all issues.Not one of us is a health care professional.We're not professional councilors. All our advice are opinions,ALL our advice.Even old doctor Phil puts a disclaimer at the end of the show along the lines that the advice was given for the person on the program and is not intended to diagnose people at home.She needs her pastor and church,professional advice and mostly Gods help to see her though.

shineyourlight · Jul 30, 2015

kaylagrl said:

I'm pretty sure I didn't say abortion is okay.

Just pray for a change in heart. That's what I've been doing since she posted. So maybe, instead of throwing out hate, start praying if this is a passion of yours that her husband and her heart will change.

I agree whole heartedly with what you stand for and what you're saying. I do. Please, hear my heart. Abortion is wrong and I've been to multiple abortion rallies, praying for people, talking to people. And the pro-choice people never hated me. Why? Because I showed them love and I hung out with them. In fact, I went to the pro-choice group, introduced myself, and talked to them and got to know them. Sure, there were a few people that hated me. But because I showed love instead of spurring out hatred, I was able to share Jesus with them. It's not about being "right." It's about showing love and compassion.

I think the message that people were trying to get through came off as more judgmental and hateful more than doing good. And that is sad and I feel bad that she isn't signing on anymore.

Mo0448 · Jul 30, 2015

kaylagrl said:

You did say it though...

kaylagrl said:

I don't mean to drag this out...because I agree and I am have been and always will be pro-life...this response you gave shows a little more compassion and grace than the first one in the Original Thread which I quoted in this response...But its up there...you said God does not forgive intentional sin...I'd like to ask just frankly, when is sin unintentional? Sin is always intentional...it's never by accident...

I know I've hated certain people so I'm or have been a murderer at one point...am I any better are you or shineyourlight or ANYONE any better? No we aren't...all sin is sin in God's eyes there isn't small medium or large sins...its the consequences of sins that are different. I have nothing but respect for you and all others that posted and wanted to genuinely provide advice for the OP. I just really wanted to get that point across not just say don't do it its murder you're wrong it's a sin...there are better ways to deliver the message is all I'm saying sister.

Pres19 · Jul 30, 2015

shineyourlight said:

I seen her new post. I would have said something to apologize for thinking she could have been a troll but I felt if I had then I'd well, get not so nicely spoken to by a different member of cc. personally, I didn't feel like causing anymore drama on her topic.
I did say I understand where this woman was coming from and I tried to reach out. It may have come across wrong but that wasnt my intentions. Tho I couldn't answer her question. Even tho I felt she could have been a troll, I was in no way meaning to put her down. It was my opinion, when I first stated what I thought (on the other thread) I still said I was praying for her.
The problem here is some don't like others stating their opinions but are %100 okay giving their own. I made a mistake. And I have an apology for that woman. But to keep from anymore negative feedback (I dont mean from you) I'm sending it to her inbox. Plus I feel it's more appropriate. I did feel it could have been a troll. That was my mistake.

Some did try to reach out and help her but even they got back rude remarks because others didn't appreciate their opinions on the matter. I did try to change her mind. Can't help it. It's a babies life. But I still tried to help with her question. I truly feel for that woman. Despite what someone else may think. (I don't mean that in a rude way)
Unfortunately, this topic is someone calling others out for their opinions, but have no problem giving their own.
It's never ending circle around here.

She did receive some some sweet comments from concerned members. I don't believe my first two post to her were judgemental. Maybe the first came off that way but I didn't mean it that way.

Pres19 · Jul 30, 2015

shineyourlight said:

Btw, my response to you was in no way me being rude.
Unfortunately, we are online. It's hard to read emotion through a comment and can be misleading at times. My post wasn't meant in a harsh tone. I promise

GuessWho · Jul 30, 2015

atwhatcost said:

Or you can simply go directly to Jesus Christ and read "love your neighbor like yourself". This is a commandment, by the way, not an advice.

People didn't even give advices, they were pretty pissed off with everything she said: from planning to abort a child that she was "longing for" to saying that the thread was not about her abortion because she was decided to abort the baby anyway, to asking this stupid, legalist question "if I have an abortion while being an active christian and commit this sin knowingly going against God, am I still forgiven?"

She even asked people to forget about the abortion plan and stick to that legalist question :if one deliberately commits a sin (no matter what sin) will God forgive them?

But of course, no person in her right mind could close the eyes to that abortion and just go ahead with the game and give intellectualist answers about how God loves her and so and so.

You don't turn a life matter into an ideological debate.

kaylagrl · Jul 30, 2015

shineyourlight said:

I think it is hard in a forum setting,without speaking face to face,to convey your heart to a person.I wanted to be straight forward hoping she would understand the consequences of her actions.I dont think I conveyed hatred.But I do agree going to Planned Parenthood and screaming at people will help nothing.I think what got me is that she seemed to have her mind made up and wanted Gods blessing or permission for what she was doing.And so I was very direct.But when she answered back I spoke to her again and hopefully she saw where I was coming from.Again,its hard in a forum setting because people are attacking you for what you are saying and you are trying to answer them and her.I guess we will have to wait and see what she does.But I truly pray she does not have an abortion.I really do not think she will be able to cope with it if she does.

Mo0448 · Jul 30, 2015

kaylagrl said:

I totally agree

blue_ladybug · Jul 30, 2015

I think what got people riled up on that thread was her statement that she's been wanting to have another child, they HAVE been trying and now that she IS pregnant, she wants an abortion. Why? Because she's "settled" (her word) and doesn't want it now that she has it. And she only wanted to know if God's grace would cover her sin, so it seemed like she's looking for justification to have the abortion because she will still be forgiven of murder.

shineyourlight · Jul 30, 2015

Pres19 said:

Hey, I have no hard feelings

Internet sucks. I actually hate messaging back and forth and rather Skype/FaceTime or do something face-to-face.

There were definitely some sweet comments towards her. I can't remember who wrote what, so I can't remember what you wrote to her.

shineyourlight · Jul 30, 2015

blue_ladybug said:

That makes sense as to why that could rile up some people.

I guess I just didn't like the way some of the responses were handled.

Pres19 · Jul 30, 2015

shineyourlight said:

I'm the same way lol

My comments to her were just me trying to get her to rethink about it. But also I wanted her to know I understand where she was coming from because I have been there. It's a tough decision to make. I can't say God will forgive but can't say He won't. I can't justify an abortion for any reason but I can't say God will hate her because well..I don't believe a loving and forgiving father would.

kaylagrl · Jul 30, 2015

Mo0448 said:

No,dont worry about dragging it out.I had thought I avoided answering that question.I wont talk around it though.God does forgive intentional sin,it was wrong to say that.Yet in saying that the Bible says once we are a Christian we should not continue in sin. So we are not living a Christian life if we continue in sin according to the Bible. She said she was a born again Christian,at least I think that is what she said.She made clear she was a committed Christian. I do think God knows the difference if we sin and in our heart regret and repent.But I think there is a difference if we say "God Im going to sin,and I want you to forgive me because Ive made up my mind to commit this sin" I believe that is different in Gods eyes.So it may be wrong to say God does not forgive intentional sin,to say to God "forgive me,Im about to sin" is different.I dont go though my day with the intent to sin.Oh what sin can I get into today? No,I dont want to sin.To say we intend to sin I believe is wrong.We may slip and fall but we dont intend to go against God. She was saying she made up her mind to abort and she wanted Gods permission to do so.I do not believe God works that way.I hope I am clear in what I am saying.

You are right all sin is sin. I guess I felt she was rushing into a decision and she needed a straight forward answer to wake her up.I wanted her to understand that the same God she was trusting to forgive her sin could carry her though her pregnancy and keep she and her child safe.I agree some responses were harsh.Maybe the best thing I could do is contact the OP myself.Thanks for pointing out what I said.If I say something wrong I said something wrong and I dont want to lead people away from truth.Hopefully you understand where I am coming from.I think I'll contact the OP and be able to make myself more clear without debating with other posters.Thank you for the respectful way you spoke to me and shineyourlight also. I understand your heart,I hear it,I do.I hope you also understand mine.With the videos of baby parts being sold in the news lately it just really stirs my blood and I wonder"who will speak up for the little ones who cant speak for themselves"? I hope you both have a blessed day.

Pres19 · Jul 30, 2015

shineyourlight said:

People let their emotions get the best of them. It's hard and we are all guilty of it. I'm sure most of us meant no harm. Once again some could have come off that way because its typing and it can be misleading.

blue_ladybug · Jul 30, 2015

shineyourlight said:

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Yes, especially since she asked people to take the abortion part out of it. And you can't really do that WITHOUT addressing the abortion as well as the grace issue.

shineyourlight · Jul 30, 2015

She is still a person with struggles, just like you & I. Let's look at her and her husband through the eyes of Christ, instead of using our own humanly filter.

blue_ladybug · Jul 30, 2015

Pres19 said:

But whether online or in her real life, I'm sure people around her are probably telling her differing opinions as to keep it or kill it.. So either way she's most likely getting the same responses from family and friends, that she is getting from us.

So your opinions and feelings are more important than what God wants?

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