So your opinions and feelings are more important than what God wants?

[atwhatcost]

I am appalled by the responses on here to heartfelt appeals.

A woman almost died from having her last child, then spends months in a mental ward, and then years in recover from that, yet mostly what she got was easy-Christianese. "Don't murder." "When isn't sin a choice?" "My opinion." "I feel." Who cares what you think?

Can you prove biblically that the life of the baby is more important than the life of the mother? Can you prove biblically any of your positions? What would you do if your words did it for her and then you found out this pregnancy killed her? Does that feeling change if it kills her and the baby? Do you really think it should? Is that part of your easy-Christianese?

"Get a divorce." "Stay with him no matter what." Such easy words for people not in that position. Who gives you Solomon's wisdom for all people based on a cursory knowledge?

Words matter, People. If you can't back up your opinions based on God's word have the good grace to give room that God can!

People are hurting, yet the important thing seems to be prove-a-point. "I know something she/he doesn't know and must share just because I'm important."

God does want. If you don't know what he wants for that person, stop pretending you do. And no, that doesn't get the easy-Christianese answer of "God wants only good things," because you have no idea what a good thing is in any given situation. What is the good thing if it's a choice between mother and child's life? Can you decide? NO! Absolutely not. You cannot decide so stop acting like it is up to you to decide. Help a person. Do nothing, but stop hurting for no other reason than self-gratification. To give an opinion or a feeling.

And let the endless useless debates start here.

 

[GuessWho]

Are you talking about the comments of people on the thread Abortion and God's grace which is about a married woman who has a child (in great pain that almost killed her) and is longing for a second child and she tries to have it and when she finally gets pregnant she decides she wants to abort the baby?

Yeah...

 

[kaylagrl]

I am appalled by the responses on here to heartfelt appeals.

A woman almost died from having her last child, then spends months in a mental ward, and then years in recover from that, yet mostly what she got was easy-Christianese. "Don't murder." "When isn't sin a choice?" "My opinion." "I feel." Who cares what you think?

Can you prove biblically that the life of the baby is more important than the life of the mother? Can you prove biblically any of your positions? What would you do if your words did it for her and then you found out this pregnancy killed her? Does that feeling change if it kills her and the baby? Do you really think it should? Is that part of your easy-Christianese?

"Get a divorce." "Stay with him no matter what." Such easy words for people not in that position. Who gives you Solomon's wisdom for all people based on a cursory knowledge?

Words matter, People. If you can't back up your opinions based on God's word have the good grace to give room that God can!

People are hurting, yet the important thing seems to be prove-a-point. "I know something she/he doesn't know and must share just because I'm important."

God does want. If you don't know what he wants for that person, stop pretending you do. And no, that doesn't get the easy-Christianese answer of "God wants only good things," because you have no idea what a good thing is in any given situation. What is the good thing if it's a choice between mother and child's life? Can you decide? NO! Absolutely not. You cannot decide so stop acting like it is up to you to decide. Help a person. Do nothing, but stop hurting for no other reason than self-gratification. To give an opinion or a feeling.

And let the endless useless debates start here.

How big is God? Can He heal? Could He not carry her through? Is God so small? I dont think so. She knew what she had gone through before yet she wanted another child.God gave her that child.Is God wrong? Did He make a mistake? No. She has the child she longed for.Now she needs to trust God to carry her though.She cant assume that because she had trouble before she will have trouble again.But in the end Im thinking this person was a troll.Time will tell.

 

[Pres19]

How big is God? Can He heal? Could He not carry her through? Is God so small? I dont think so. She knew what she had gone through before yet she wanted another child.God gave her that child.Is God wrong? Did He make a mistake? No. She has the child she longed for.Now she needs to trust God to carry her though.She cant assume that because she had trouble before she will have trouble again.But in the end Im thinking this person was a troll.Time will tell.

I have to agree.
She asked and God answered.
He gave her and her husband the child they waited.
I get being scared to have another after what happened the first time. But that doesn't mean it will happen again.

I also think she might have been a troll as well. I hate to think that but she did make that her first post.
She asked for help but logged off and hasn't been back on.
She hasn't made any other posts so it really seems trollish to me. I hope I'm wrong. I would hate to believe someone would make up such a thing just to cause others to fight.

 

[atwhatcost]

Are you talking about the comments of people on the thread Abortion and God's grace which is about a married woman who has a child (in great pain that almost killed her) and is longing for a second child and she tries to have it and when she finally gets pregnant she decides she wants to abort the baby?

Yeah...

That's one I'm talking about, but check out the rest. Everyone always has an answer for any given problem. On here, the problems are usually about marriage and divorce. Yet the same people give the same advice time and time again. It's NOT the same advice. It's a case by case thing. If anyone doesn't believe that it's time to go back to Exodus through Deuteronomy again, because most of those books are case-by-case decisions based on the law. (I've been reading Number 9 today. The laws for the Passover were given back in Exodus. But two dudes helped deal with a corpse right before the last Passover until they got to the Promise Land and they were stressed because they were unclean. They wanted to participate. So the Law remained, but a decision was reached for just such a case. It really is case-by-case.)

Meanwhile, the same people tell others to get a divorce each and every time. The same people say to "trust God" each and every time. There are Godly rules on marriage. There are Godly rules on murder. But deciding how much you're going to put yourself in jeopardy for the possible life of your child is NOT covered exactly. I'm absolutely sure it IS covered in God's word somewhere, but his word will speak to her, not we telling her. And his word tells a person if they should divorce, not us.

Trusting God is not the same thing as "believe everything I tell you because I know it all and I AM God's word!"

 

[blue_ladybug]

Well, Lynn, this IS the internet. Those people who post their problems on here usually are looking for advice. They MUST expect to get differing opinions and advice on whatever topic they present us. Yes, God hates divorce, but I believe sometimes he also uses divorce as a way to introduce something better into those people's lives. In the case of that woman, can anyone say she'll have problems again with her second baby? Can anyone say it's better to kill the baby so mom can live to go get pregnant again and have ANOTHER abortion? Or is it better that she have it, even though she may sacrifice her own life so that the baby can live? All WE can do is offer advice and opinions, one way or the other. Ultimately, that mother must answer to God for her decision. I agree with kayla and pres19-- I also feel she is a troll, considering she's looking for God's grace as justification to commit murder WILLINGLY AND KNOWINGLY, yet still be forgiven for her blatant sin against God's commandment "thou shall not kill." That applies to abortions also, ya know.. :/

 

[atwhatcost]

How big is God? Can He heal? Could He not carry her through? Is God so small? I dont think so. She knew what she had gone through before yet she wanted another child.God gave her that child.Is God wrong? Did He make a mistake? No. She has the child she longed for.Now she needs to trust God to carry her though.She cant assume that because she had trouble before she will have trouble again.But in the end Im thinking this person was a troll.Time will tell.

So none of us are ever going to die because God is too big?

Get over yourself. It's not that easy!!!

And wow. You think she's a troll? What did you do to deserve Solomon's wisdom to know such a thing?How did God so solemnly choose you to be the bearer of all wisdom? Again, get over yourself! It's not that easy!!!

Unless God bestowed you with exceptional wisdom, (which can be proven, if you can find proof biblically for either claim), assume the person is real. Assume she's really hurting. Assume your words put her life in your hands. And then, dagnabit! Take it to God instead of proving how your opinions should never be question, because got to say, I'm really, really questioning you and your opinions because they aren't line up with God's word. They're lining up with easy-peasy-American-middle-class-conservative Christianese, a drastically different thing than God's word!

You're not a troll, so stop acting like our live-in trolls! You need to trust God too. When a fresh-face walks into your church do you automatically assume troll? Either/or at any given moment, but you assume the best until otherwise notified. Geesh! That's just a relatively healthy person walking into your church. (I can go that far into my assumptions because the person could get to the church and then walk in. Not all can.) If a person wheels in on a wheelchair do you really hit that person immediately with "How big is God? Can He heal? Could He not carry you through? Is God so small?" I don't think so.

I know you. You wouldn't! So why are you doing that to a fresh-face in pain?

It's you who need to trust God more. I have absolutely no idea what God's answer to this problem is, so I gave her the only two things I knew to give her -- don't make this decision in your moment of panic and find out what you should do in the time you've been given to do that. I trust God enough to know if she seeks him, he will give her the answer that is right for her and her family.

So, no. He's not too small. He also doesn't always heal our bodies or minds in this lifetime. Get that?

I know I'm coming down hard on you, but I'm doing that because I know you well enough to know you can take it and all you've done here and in the post was hit with your knee-jerk reaction. I have plenty of knee-jerk reactions on this forum in particular. This is the most important forum though, because this is where people dump their messes. The right response isn't usually to pull out the broom and dust pan, even if that's our knee-jerk reaction.

There's knee-jerk reaction, and then wait a minute... wait a little longer... ah! There! God's speaking to us. Wait for the second, don't go with the first.

 

[atwhatcost]

Well, Lynn, this IS the internet. Those people who post their problems on here usually are looking for advice. They MUST expect to get differing opinions and advice on whatever topic they present us. Yes, God hates divorce, but I believe sometimes he also uses divorce as a way to introduce something better into those people's lives. In the case of that woman, can anyone say she'll have problems again with her second baby? Can anyone say it's better to kill the baby so mom can live to go get pregnant again and have ANOTHER abortion? Or is it better that she have it, even though she may sacrifice her own life so that the baby can live? All WE can do is offer advice and opinions, one way or the other. Ultimately, that mother must answer to God for her decision. I agree with kayla and pres19-- I also feel she is a troll, considering she's looking for God's grace as justification to commit murder WILLINGLY AND KNOWINGLY, yet still be forgiven for her blatant sin against God's commandment "thou shall not kill." That applies to abortions also, ya know.. :/

And they can get most of the advice their given anywhere they want on the Internet.

I keep thinking this is where they go hoping for God's answer, not more knee-jerk reaction advice. Otherwise, what's the difference between here and Yahoo Answers?

You tend to give your advice, not God's advice. That's my complaint.

 

[blue_ladybug]

kayla, pres19, myself and many others who have been here for a few years, know how to recognize trolls and their behavior on threads that they start. Many newbies here haven't any idea how to spot a troll.. No offense to the newbies..lol..

 

[atwhatcost]

I have to agree.
She asked and God answered.
He gave her and her husband the child they waited.
I get being scared to have another after what happened the first time. But that doesn't mean it will happen again.

I also think she might have been a troll as well. I hate to think that but she did make that her first post.
She asked for help but logged off and hasn't been back on.
She hasn't made any other posts so it really seems trollish to me. I hope I'm wrong. I would hate to believe someone would make up such a thing just to cause others to fight.

We really need a special section on this site for those gifted for discerning trolls in one post.

Because obviously it couldn't possibly be she had the abortion today as planned and knows better than to come back here to find out all our opinions and feelings. It can't possibly be because she has a four year old who also has problems because her mother wasn't able to care for her well in the first few months of her life. It couldn't possibly be because she's in pure-panic mode and can't think.

So, yeah, we need a special section on this site for the troll discerners, so the rest of us can come to you whenever we want to know if someone is a troll. Is that gift better than tongues? Is it better than healing? How about teaching or evangelizing? Where does that stand on the cool-gifts list, and should I be seeking that gift too?

It seems I'm particularly gifted in sarcasm and empathy. I should probably pray for deliverance of empathy, huh? Sarcasm seems to work though.

 

[atwhatcost]

kayla, pres19, myself and many others who have been here for a few years, know how to recognize trolls and their behavior on threads that they start. Many newbies here haven't any idea how to spot a troll.. No offense to the newbies..lol..

I recognize your need to place your way of thinking above all other guides. Should I be seeking confirmation about that from others too? I bet I could! (I know I could. I've seen others tell you straight-up to stop doing that, but you keep right at it.)

I've been online since 1994. I have full concept of what a troll is, what they look like, and how they act. I just don't assume every new person is one simply because some people spend more time discerning trolls than actually seeking God's guidance on how to answer fresh-faces coming on here to dump their messes.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I recognize your need to place your way of thinking above all other guides. Should I be seeking confirmation about that from others too? I bet I could! (I know I could. I've seen others tell you straight-up to stop doing that, but you keep right at it.)

I've been online since 1994. I have full concept of what a troll is, what they look like, and how they act. I just don't assume every new person is one simply because some people spend more time discerning trolls than actually seeking God's guidance on how to answer fresh-faces coming on here to dump their messes.

I don't place my way of thinking above all other guides, NOR do I assume that EVERY new person is a troll. Like I said b4, people are going to give differing advice and opinions. IMO, if someone is going through a divorce because other spouse cheated/is cheating, and the cheater has told them that they love someone else, and their having sex with someone else, then YES, I tell them maybe a divorce is what is needed because without faithfulness, trust AND love in a marriage, THERE IS NO MARRIAGE, therefore it's not worth trying to hold onto anymore..

Alot of people here "dump their messes", ask for advice, then blatantly refuse to take it and say their gonna do what their gonna do, and to h*ll with anyone who's tried to help them. Yes someone here (now banned) actually said that, so I'm not assuming here..

​Oh, and btw, pride and sarcasm don't look good on you. Might want to pray about that..

 

[Pres19]

We really need a special section on this site for those gifted for discerning trolls in one post.

Because obviously it couldn't possibly be she had the abortion today as planned and knows better than to come back here to find out all our opinions and feelings. It can't possibly be because she has a four year old who also has problems because her mother wasn't able to care for her well in the first few months of her life. It couldn't possibly be because she's in pure-panic mode and can't think.

So, yeah, we need a special section on this site for the troll discerners, so the rest of us can come to you whenever we want to know if someone is a troll. Is that gift better than tongues? Is it better than healing? How about teaching or evangelizing? Where does that stand on the cool-gifts list, and should I be seeking that gift too?

It seems I'm particularly gifted in sarcasm and empathy. I should probably pray for deliverance of empathy, huh? Sarcasm seems to work though.

I never said she was a troll. I said she could be.
After all who makes a post asking for help then never comes back not even once to look at the replies. Oh and she logged off right after.
Once again. I never said I was right. It's a possibility tho.
No need to get all sarcastic on me. It was an observation I had. That's all.

 

[Pres19]

I recognize your need to place your way of thinking above all other guides. Should I be seeking confirmation about that from others too? I bet I could! (I know I could. I've seen others tell you straight-up to stop doing that, but you keep right at it.)

I've been online since 1994. I have full concept of what a troll is, what they look like, and how they act. I just don't assume every new person is one simply because some people spend more time discerning trolls than actually seeking God's guidance on how to answer fresh-faces coming on here to dump their messes.

I don't assume every new person is a troll. -_-
And I've come across soooo many on here that start off like she did so yes I think she might be one.

You know? For someone who thinks others think their opinions are more important than what God wants.. You sure are a sarcastic and very opinionated person. Js

 

[atwhatcost]

I never said she was a troll. I said she could be.
After all who makes a post asking for help then never comes back not even once to look at the replies. Oh and she logged off right after.
Once again. I never said I was right. It's a possibility tho.
No need to get all sarcastic on me. It was an observation I had. That's all.

Who doesn't come back here every single day? Hmmm, I don't know. I don't spend time checking.

It's not just what you observed. It's also what you said so she is free to see what you said. I observe a lot of things on here. I keep my fingers still in voicing them if I'm afraid I can hurt someone in great need. (I admit it. It's hard. I'm mouthy and opinionated.)

 

[atwhatcost]

A PM I received after writing this. One question: Is this person right? Y'all are really big on the "you haven't been here long enough to..." thingy, so, is this person right? Not good if this is correct.

Instead of getting defensive, how about listening and praying?

Thank you so much for your post about what people were saying to the lady who was trying to decide about her pregnancy. I left here a few years ago because it appeared that people on here were outright mean spirited and hateful. It was more pleasant on the non christian
forum that I was looking at people were more friendly there and less combative.

I just came back a few weeks ago and it has gotten worse. I have seen people say horrible things and called themselves a child of the Most High. What I have learned is people can't give what isn't in them. If kindeness, love, temperance, meekness,etc. isn't in them they cannot show it.

People need discernment on when to show love and be gentle and when to be stern. Some call it being brutally honest. Why does one need to be a "brute" to be honest.

Thanks again and have a wonderful day.

 

[kaylagrl]

So none of us are ever going to die because God is too big?

Get over yourself. It's not that easy!!!

And wow. You think she's a troll? What did you do to deserve Solomon's wisdom to know such a thing?How did God so solemnly choose you to be the bearer of all wisdom? Again, get over yourself! It's not that easy!!!

Unless God bestowed you with exceptional wisdom, (which can be proven, if you can find proof biblically for either claim), assume the person is real. Assume she's really hurting. Assume your words put her life in your hands. And then, dagnabit! Take it to God instead of proving how your opinions should never be question, because got to say, I'm really, really questioning you and your opinions because they aren't line up with God's word. They're lining up with easy-peasy-American-middle-class-conservative Christianese, a drastically different thing than God's word!

You're not a troll, so stop acting like our live-in trolls! You need to trust God too. When a fresh-face walks into your church do you automatically assume troll? Either/or at any given moment, but you assume the best until otherwise notified. Geesh! That's just a relatively healthy person walking into your church. (I can go that far into my assumptions because the person could get to the church and then walk in. Not all can.) If a person wheels in on a wheelchair do you really hit that person immediately with "How big is God? Can He heal? Could He not carry you through? Is God so small?" I don't think so.

I know you. You wouldn't! So why are you doing that to a fresh-face in pain?

It's you who need to trust God more. I have absolutely no idea what God's answer to this problem is, so I gave her the only two things I knew to give her -- don't make this decision in your moment of panic and find out what you should do in the time you've been given to do that. I trust God enough to know if she seeks him, he will give her the answer that is right for her and her family.

So, no. He's not too small. He also doesn't always heal our bodies or minds in this lifetime. Get that?

I know I'm coming down hard on you, but I'm doing that because I know you well enough to know you can take it and all you've done here and in the post was hit with your knee-jerk reaction. I have plenty of knee-jerk reactions on this forum in particular. This is the most important forum though, because this is where people dump their messes. The right response isn't usually to pull out the broom and dust pan, even if that's our knee-jerk reaction.

There's knee-jerk reaction, and then wait a minute... wait a little longer... ah! There! God's speaking to us. Wait for the second, don't go with the first.

Quote...So none of us are ever going to die because God is too big?Get over yourself. It's not that easy!!!

I never said we would never die.I didnt say it was easy.I did say she needed to trust God rather than abort the child. Thats not a decision you can undo.God gives life,only he has the right to take it away.Her body is not her own,the child belongs to God and it is wrong for her to take that life.She knew the risks now she needs to trust God to see her through.When has serving God and trusting Him ever been easy? Christians faced the lions,Christians have faced ISIS,both faced fear and death.God is either God and He is sufficient or He is not.


Quote...And wow. You think she's a troll? What did you do to deserve Solomon's wisdom to know such a thing?How did God so solemnly choose you to be the bearer of all wisdom? Again, get over yourself! It's not that easy!!!

I dont think I said anything about being smart or having wisdom.I said "time will tell" because I was not sure.She didnt respond for 4 pages,usually that means a person is trolling.It happens all the time around here so it was an easy conclusion to make.


Quote.... Assume your words put her life in your hands. And then, dagnabit! Take it to God instead of proving how your opinions should never be question, because got to say, I'm really, really questioning you and your opinions because they aren't line up with God's word. They're lining up with easy-peasy-American-middle-class-conservative Christianese, a drastically different thing than God's word!

My opinions dont line up with Gods word?

Ps 22 10--I was cast on you from the womb: you are my God from my mother's belly.

Jer 1:5--Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

For You created my inmost being; You knit me together in my mother’s womb… Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in Your book before one of them came to be.
—Psalm 139:13, 16

Your hands shaped me and made me… Did You not clothe me with skin and flesh and knit me together with bones and sinews? You gave me life.
—Job 10:8-12

Did not He who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same One form us both within our mothers?
—Job 31:15

Children are a gift from God.
—Psalm 127:3

In His hand is the life of every living thing and the breath of every human being
—Job 12:10

If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman, and she gives birth prematurely, but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined …if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life.
—Exodus 21:22,23

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] I think my opinions line up pretty well with the Bible.God knew us and formed us in the womb.He had a plan for our lives. Life and breath belong to God and life is important to Him. So I really dont think I need to get over myself.I think the verses speak for themselves.If thats Christianese to you you need to take that up with the author of the verses,not me.

[/FONT]Quote-- If a person wheels in on a wheelchair do you really hit that person immediately with "How big is God? Can He heal? Could He not carry you through? Is God so small?" I don't think so.

I have personal experience with pain and sickness,I do have empathy but I dont God against Gods Word.I cannot say abortion is okay.FYI several years ago a lady came to our church as a visitor with one of our church members.Half way through the service she seemed distressed and was crying.She had a teen daughter with her.As the singing ended the pastor began to pray.I kept looking back,the friend that brought her was ignoring her.Other women older and more spiritually mature than I saw her but no one made a move toward her.I saw her daughter tug her mother to go and as they headed to the door I didnt stop to thing but rushed to the door ahead of them.I took the mothers hand and led her to a Sunday school room.The daughter was upset and angry and wanting to leave.I asked her mother who was crying what was wrong.She told me she had a brain tumor.I lost my grandmother to a brain tumor.The daughter interrupted again and I said "you can leave in a minute but your mother needs prayer,that is why shes here."I began to pray,I was young and fumbling for words.But I was determined to pray.After a lady of the church came in and "took over" the daughter grabbed her mother and left.Had that woman said to me "Im going to commit suicide,will God forgive me?" I would have said the very same thing..."Trust God,we will pray you through but God is the only one who has the right to take a life." So no,I dont speak flippant Christianese.

Quote---It's you who need to trust God more.

As someone who suffers chronic pain everyday I think you need to be careful of making assumptions.I traveled in ministry 20yrs I could tell stories all day long about trusting God.

Quote--So, no. He's not too small. He also doesn't always heal our bodies or minds in this lifetime. Get that?

As I said above,as someone whos suffers chronic pain I think you need to be careful of making assumptions.Just because she hasnt been healed doesnt mean she wont be.Ive been healed of other things in my life,Im waiting on this one.Still doesnt justify abortion.I believe God is speaking to her.She came to the forum for a reason.She wanted us to tell her what she was doing was ok with God.That means she has doubts.I hope she listens to that still small voice and makes the right decision.

 

[atwhatcost]

Quote...So none of us are ever going to die because God is too big?Get over yourself. It's not that easy!!!

I never said we would never die.I didnt say it was easy.I did say she needed to trust God rather than abort the child. Thats not a decision you can undo.God gives life,only he has the right to take it away.Her body is not her own,the child belongs to God and it is wrong for her to take that life.She knew the risks now she needs to trust God to see her through.When has serving God and trusting Him ever been easy? Christians faced the lions,Christians have faced ISIS,both faced fear and death.God is either God and He is sufficient or He is not.


Quote...And wow. You think she's a troll? What did you do to deserve Solomon's wisdom to know such a thing?How did God so solemnly choose you to be the bearer of all wisdom? Again, get over yourself! It's not that easy!!!

I dont think I said anything about being smart or having wisdom.I said "time will tell" because I was not sure.She didnt respond for 4 pages,usually that means a person is trolling.It happens all the time around here so it was an easy conclusion to make.


Quote.... Assume your words put her life in your hands. And then, dagnabit! Take it to God instead of proving how your opinions should never be question, because got to say, I'm really, really questioning you and your opinions because they aren't line up with God's word. They're lining up with easy-peasy-American-middle-class-conservative Christianese, a drastically different thing than God's word!

My opinions dont line up with Gods word?

Ps 22 10--I was cast on you from the womb: you are my God from my mother's belly.

Jer 1:5--Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

For You created my inmost being; You knit me together in my mother’s womb… Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in Your book before one of them came to be.
—Psalm 139:13, 16

Your hands shaped me and made me… Did You not clothe me with skin and flesh and knit me together with bones and sinews? You gave me life.
—Job 10:8-12

Did not He who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same One form us both within our mothers?
—Job 31:15

Children are a gift from God.
—Psalm 127:3

In His hand is the life of every living thing and the breath of every human being
—Job 12:10

If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman, and she gives birth prematurely, but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined …if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life.
—Exodus 21:22,23

I think my opinions line up pretty well with the Bible.God knew us and formed us in the womb.He had a plan for our lives. Life and breath belong to God and life is important to Him. So I really dont think I need to get over myself.I think the verses speak for themselves.If thats Christianese to you you need to take that up with the author of the verses,not me.

Quote-- If a person wheels in on a wheelchair do you really hit that person immediately with "How big is God? Can He heal? Could He not carry you through? Is God so small?" I don't think so.

I have personal experience with pain and sickness,I do have empathy but I dont God against Gods Word.I cannot say abortion is okay.FYI several years ago a lady came to our church as a visitor with one of our church members.Half way through the service she seemed distressed and was crying.She had a teen daughter with her.As the singing ended the pastor began to pray.I kept looking back,the friend that brought her was ignoring her.Other women older and more spiritually mature than I saw her but no one made a move toward her.I saw her daughter tug her mother to go and as they headed to the door I didnt stop to thing but rushed to the door ahead of them.I took the mothers hand and led her to a Sunday school room.The daughter was upset and angry and wanting to leave.I asked her mother who was crying what was wrong.She told me she had a brain tumor.I lost my grandmother to a brain tumor.The daughter interrupted again and I said "you can leave in a minute but your mother needs prayer,that is why shes here."I began to pray,I was young and fumbling for words.But I was determined to pray.After a lady of the church came in and "took over" the daughter grabbed her mother and left.Had that woman said to me "Im going to commit suicide,will God forgive me?" I would have said the very same thing..."Trust God,we will pray you through but God is the only one who has the right to take a life." So no,I dont speak flippant Christianese.

Quote---It's you who need to trust God more.

As someone who suffers chronic pain everyday I think you need to be careful of making assumptions.I traveled in ministry 20yrs I could tell stories all day long about trusting God.

Quote--So, no. He's not too small. He also doesn't always heal our bodies or minds in this lifetime. Get that?

As I said above,as someone whos suffers chronic pain I think you need to be careful of making assumptions.Just because she hasnt been healed doesnt mean she wont be.Ive been healed of other things in my life,Im waiting on this one.Still doesnt justify abortion.I believe God is speaking to her.She came to the forum for a reason.She wanted us to tell her what she was doing was ok with God.That means she has doubts.I hope she listens to that still small voice and makes the right decision.

No, your verses lines up with your opinions. Not one of them showed the case where the mother's life was in danger. Not one of them was about killing the baby either.

Okay, like I said in my first post, "And let the endless useless debates start here." Keep defending your opinions.

 

[Agricola]

I see, so you were so outraged with the responses you disagreed with, that you had to make another thread on the subject.

Let us look at the title of this thread and the question again.

[h=2]So your opinions and feelings are more important than what God wants?[/h]
Ok, so our body, the flesh and our soul, we also have a spirit as well, enjoy pleasures and things which go against God, we all do it every day.

Abortion is murder, to non-beleivers we are just talking about a blob of cells, but God clearly states that He knows us in the womb, as a Christian I also know we have a spirit, and it is that spirit which remains the same, that spirit is created at conception, the spirit is a complete person waiting to start on lifes journey in its body growing in the womb.

Murder is never right, but abortion is legalised murder, so someone aborting a child is definitely putting opinions and feelings first and making them out to be more important than what God wants.

 

[kaylagrl]

No, your verses lines up with your opinions. Not one of them showed the case where the mother's life was in danger. Not one of them was about killing the baby either.

Okay, like I said in my first post, "And let the endless useless debates start here." Keep defending your opinions.

She does not know whether she will have the same problem again.She knew she could possibly have an issue again but she chose to have another child.If she is so afraid why would she put herself and her unborn in jeopardy? And is it fair to take the life of a child based on her own choice to get pregnant again? No,it is not. She has a responsibility now to the child she has in here womb.

Once again,did God make a mistake? She said she longed for another child,God gives her that child now she wants to end that life.You say that I proved nothing with Scriptures in regards to the danger of the mothers life. She KNEW the dangers! She LONGED for a child,now she HAS a child.There are risks with any birth.She well knew those risks.The verses pointed out that life is sacred,that God formed us in the womb and knew us and had a plan for us.It does talk about taking a life,when the woman was injured and her child was killed a life for a life was given.How much more so if we just abort a child?She has faith to be saved,she has the faith for forgiveness of her sin but not enough faith to God with the child he gave her and with her life.So shes going to take the life God created.Shes wrong.Abortion is wrong or it is right.Pick one.

You are defending your opinion and so are others.Show me verses where the Bible says its ok to take the life of a child,or to take innocent life at all.Point me to those verses would you please? You blew past everything I posted to once again say that you are right.Well I disagree,but more importantly the Bible disagrees.The Bible cant say dont commit abortion,there was no such thing then.But the Bible did say he formed us,knew us,and had a plan for us in the womb.You say you are against abortion yet the verses I gave you you said had nothing to do with abortion.So why are you against abortion and how do you prove that with the Bible? This lady made a choice to get pregnant knowing her past problems.To come to this forum,not for advice,not for prayer but for us to tell her Gods grace will cover the sin she is about to commit is just beyond me.She knows as a Christian she's doing wrong or she wouldnt have asked about grace and abortion.Sometimes we dont like the answers God gives us.She made a choice,to murder her child is wrong and she will suffer more heartache and depression because of it.

Ive never known you to not be reasonable in discussion but this one has me stumped.This woman made a choice to put herself and her child at risk.I cant really understand her reasoning.But God granted her longing with another child.Then she needs to trust Him to see her though.Murder is wrong,and that verse is in the Bible and therefore abortion is wrong. Until someone can show in the Bible where abortion is right or ok in certain circumstances then I'll stick with my Biblical opinion thanks just the same.