The Evils Of Adoption

[QuestionTime]

I have felt compelled to create this thread because much deception abounds in the Christian world regarding adoption.

Christians typically think that adoption is a wonderful thing and that if Jesus was alive today he'd adopt several children himself. Nothing could be further from the truth! The reality is that if Jesus was alive today he would be healing and helping provide for the mothers and enabling them to keep their children. That's what Jesus would do.

One thing that I just can't understand is how Christians can be so solid on the scriptural concept of marriage; that a man and woman when brought together become one flesh, and that they should not be seperated under any circumstance. This they adamantly maintain is the will of God. However, when it comes to a child that was created in the womb - flesh of flesh in the truest sense, one flesh in the truest sense - that it is perfectly acceptable that the baby be separated from it's mother, should the mother feel it's best to give up her child, or should some government agency decide that this is best, or even worse the parents of the young mother feel this is best against the mother's will.

Doesn't anyone see how ridiculous this is?

I believe that it is the will of God in heaven that the Mothers and their children stay together for life, and that His children ought to work to this end, rather than adoption. Of course if a mother has passed away then adoption is a wonderful thing.

Here are a few scriptures (I'm a KJV guy but anyway)

Behold, children are a heritage from the LORD, the fruit of the womb a reward. Like arrows in the hand of a warrior are the children of one’s youth. Blessed is the man who fills his quiver with them! He shall not be put to shame when he speaks with his enemies in the gate.
(Psalms 127:3-5 ESV)


And when Esau lifted up his eyes and saw the women and children, he said, “Who are these with you?” Jacob said, “The children whom God has graciously given your servant.”
(Genesis 33:5 ESV)


He gives the barren woman a home, making her the joyous mother of children. Praise the LORD!
(Psalms 113:9 Holy Bible ESV)

Quest

 

[wwjd_kilden]

you are turning this upside down

what do you want us to do with those who ARE left behind? let them die????

adoptions isn't wrong. abandoning ones children is

 

[QuestionTime]

To further prove my point I am going to add some information that most of you have never heard, but that is sadly the norm rather than the exception.

To begin with here is a video I found on YouTube about some birthmothers who were lied to and pressured to give up their children. This is not the exception but rather this is the rule in adoption today. Adoption is a billion dollar industry and it's success depends on finding mothers who will relinquish their children. In order to keep the money pumping through the system the birthmothers have to say yes to adoption, and therefore adoption agencies must pressure them to do so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti79eSdEzcc

I want to get this post out before I get replies to my thread. I'll add more later.

Quest

 

[QuestionTime]

you are turning this upside down

what do you want us to do with those who ARE left behind? let them die????

adoptions isn't wrong. abandoning ones children is

Thanks for your post!

I have to disagree with you. I am not turning this upside down, I'm fighting back against the adoption propaganda. They are liars and deceivers and they play upon Christian's good hearts by telling them adoption is a great thing. It's time the truth is heard.

Quest

 

[wwjd_kilden]

well as long as people DO leave their kids, what do YOU suggest is done to the kids?????

 

[QuestionTime]

In the this post I am going to share some more links to videos on YouTube. While most adoption videos on YouTube are littered with propaganda these few videos tell the real truth of what is happening:

Forced Adoptions in Britain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_3pTF2l1Os
(Baby stolen without any good reason by social workers now back together with mother after 17 years)

Senator speech "The System Cannot Be Trusted": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIFQFY-qY8I
("Poor families are targeted to lose their children to adoption," "There is no accountability." The children are 6x more likely to suffer abuse adopted then with their birth families)

Let me say this about Senator Shaefer's video above: If anyone can watch this video and still adopt a child with a good conscience then God help you.

Actually I want this post near the top of the thread so I'll add more vids in a later post.

Quest

 

[QuestionTime]

well as long as people DO leave their kids, what do YOU suggest is done to the kids?????

Please watch Senator Schaefer's video in my post above.

Quest

 

[QuestionTime]

Alright some more shocking videos below:

This first video really touches my heart. It's all about the lies birthmothers are told to give up their children and then the real truth. Adoption is forever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOZGwqHVnKs&feature=related

Here is another video with Senator Schaefer. It's part 1 of 4 and it's talking more about the abuse that's rampant in Child Protection Services.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8BY...6B3225E72&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2

I think this is all I am going to post today. There are more videos like the abduction of Haitian children by adoption agencies after the earthquake. On and on it goes and where it stops God only knows!

The lies have to be exposed here and now.

Quest

 

[QuestionTime]

I found this letter online. The letter is addressed to a Christian church that is pro adoption:


[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Letter To a Congregation that so Heartily Supports Mother and Child Separation
By Tricia Shore, adoptee[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]I wrote the following letter to the pastor of the church I've been attending. Lately, it has become "Adoption Central". [/FONT] ​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]9 March 2001[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Dear Rev. Smith
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I have been attending your services for almost a year now and generally, I really enjoy the church. Something happened this past Sunday, however, that disturbed me greatly. During the joys and concerns period, a man shared the fact that he and his wife were close to adopting a child. The mother of the child would soon be going into labor. Someone else talked about a couple who had gone to Texas to pick up twins that they would be adopting. As an adoptee who was separated from my mother and the rest of my natural family for over 34 years, I can't tell you how much hearing these things disturbed me. Even more terrible, however, was the way the congregation reacted, applauding upon hearing that each of the couples would be acquiring a child through adoption.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]While I personally have nothing against either couple raising a child, my heart goes first to the children themselves. From what I understand, both couples will be adopting children whose mother is alive and well. While there may be much joy by the adopters in their obtaining these children, there is much sadness for the mother and child, or children in the twins' case. Even more disturbing is the fact that both these adopter couples have followed the mothers during their pregnancy. Having just given birth myself, I know how much a mother's feelings can change after her baby's birth. When adopters have such close contact with the mother, the mother often feels obliged to give her baby to the adopters, whether or not she still wants to after the birth.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The adopters and the congregation seem to be unaware of the severance of the sacred mother and child bond and they seem unconcerned about the mothers themselves. I currently work with many mothers who've lost children to adoption and from what I've read and heard, adopters and others usually think the mother is: A) a horrible person for giving away the right to raise her child or B) a "saint" for "loving the child" enough to give away the right to raise him or her. The truth is that giving away a child for adoption is a horrible thing to do; it is certainly no "saintly" act. However, it is no less horrible for others to take the child away from the mother, even if the mother claims that she is "giving" the child to them. Children are not merely possessions.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Could it be that the congregation, knowing the adopters far better than the mothers, tends only to look at the "gain" the adopters will make? If they understand an inkling of what those mothers will go through after going home with empty arms, they would try to help the mother and child stay together, not separate them via adoption. I was deeply disappointed that such an inhumane thing as this would be tolerated and even encouraged by the congregation.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
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The only hope that I have for the congregation's understanding of the harm of adoption is the letter that was written in this week's newsletter. Sally Mendoholsen, a mother who lost her firstborn to adoption, has attempted to start a dialogue regarding the harm of adoption on mother and child and the difficulties in the present $1.4 billion dollar adoption industry. Knowing the joy that my son brings me each day and the difficulties I've endured as an adoptee, despite wonderful people who adopted me, I find it difficult to return to a congregation that so heartily supports mother and child separation. I pray that Sally's letter will help people understand how unfair the present adoption system is in the United States and that your congregation will begin to help preserve families, not to tear them apart via adoption.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Thank You,[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
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Tricia Shore[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Reunited Adoptee[/FONT]​

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

I really dont see how adopting somone can be wrong. The alternative to a child being put up for adopting vrs. keeping a child...well some people will never have that child...that's called abortion.Giving up a child for adoption is much more loving than terminating their life. Theres just no other option! Let that child live or let them die. You may not like that adults abandon their children, but like i said...if they dont want that kid what else are they going to do?

If you have ever heard of the things that people say before they give their children up for adoption sometimes it's for very good reasons. No money for that child. A destructive home. Poor living conditions. Mentally ill. A rape baby. Some people give away their children because they know they wont be able to provide a home they deserve. Tearing families apart? How about giving that child a family? Isn't that what adoption..ya know..is?

Sure you can have rejection issues, but is that better than not having a family at all? Or parents that obviously went through hoops to treat you like a son/daughter in their family, even when they didn't have to? What about childless women who can't conceive with their husbands? Are they supposed to look at other women who mistreat their unwanted babies while they endure the curse? Its just not going to happen.

 

[QuestionTime]

Check out this amazing statistic! 97.7% of birthmothers are coerced into surrendering their babies against their will! Sick!



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If you are like most people, you may believe that adoption begins with a mother wanting and choosing to GIVE AWAY her baby. This is what the adoption industry wants you to believe. And in most cases, NOTHING could be further from the truth. A Trackers International survey of 1000 natural mothers found that 97.7% were coerced into surrendering against their will.

We are women who WANTED to keep our babies. But because of factors such as being single, ill, young, and/or just vulnerable to family and agency pressures, our babies were taken from us by force, coecion, and lies.

Some of us were still drugged from childbirth when social workers or lawyers demanded our signatures. Others of us never signed - our own parents signed away our children. Others were told that we would not be allowed to see our babies until we signed the papers. Others were told we would be responsible for hospital bills of thousands of dollars unless we signed. Some of our babies were taken from us at birth, given to adopters, and then we were told to sign as it would not matter if we signed or not - it was a done-deal. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"An agency has a responsibility of pointing out to the unmarried mother the extreme difficulty, if not the impossibility, if she remains unmarried, of raising her child successfully in our culture without damage to the child and to herself .... The concept that the unmarried mother and her child constitute a family is to me unsupportable. There is no family in any real sense of the word."- Joseph H. Reid, "Principles, Values, and Assumptions Underlying Adoption Practice", 1956 NAT'L CON. SOC. WORK. [/FONT]​

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All of us were victims of fraud in that we were NEVER told the truth about the consequences of adoption to us or our babies - in fact, we were deliberately lied to.[/FONT]​

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Our children were taken from us so the adoption industry make money, playing the role of savior to infertile couples by selling the "ultimate gift" to them at our expense, and then come out smelling like a rose for solving society's supposed welfare and moral problems. It all really came down to money ... keeping us off the welfare rolls and making money for the brokers.[/FONT]​

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

98%? Something that high can't be right. I'd love to see who they interviewed, where, what dates, and who conducted the study. 2% is almost like saying virtually no one.

 

[QuestionTime]

I really dont see how adopting somone can be wrong. The alternative to a child being put up for adopting vrs. keeping a child...well some people will never have that child...that's called abortion.Giving up a child for adoption is much more loving than terminating their life. Theres just no other option! Let that child live or let them die. You may not like that adults abandon their children, but like i said...if they dont want that kid what else are they going to do?

If you have ever heard of the things that people say before they give their children up for adoption sometimes it's for very good reasons. No money for that child. A destructive home. Poor living conditions. Mentally ill. A rape baby. Some people give away their children because they know they wont be able to provide a home they deserve. Tearing families apart? How about giving that child a family? Isn't that what adoption..ya know..is?

Sure you can have rejection issues, but is that better than not having a family at all? Or parents that obviously went through hoops to treat you like a son/daughter in their family, even when they didn't have to? What about childless women who can't conceive with their husbands? Are they supposed to look at other women who mistreat their unwanted babies while they endure the curse? Its just not going to happen.

Thanks for the post Dread!

All of your comments should be addressed in the videos I have presented. It is up to Christians to make sure that these mother's have good living conditions, but even the government has programs in place to help them. There are websites online that explain all the various sorts of help afforded to single mothers.

In the videos above you will also learn that children who are adopted are 6x more likely to be abused with their adopters than with their birth families. This is common sense because God has created an emotional bond between parents and their children that discourages abuse, while adoptive families do not have a natural bond.

Adoption is horrendous, abortion is worse and mom and baby staying together is best.

My previous post as well shows that 97.7% of birthmothers didn't want to give up their children but they were coerced into doing so.

I suppose the best way of explaining this to you is to ask you to put yourself in the situation of the women who have had their children taken away for no reason, except that the Child Protection Services people would get a big bonus check for meeting their target goals. If this happened to you, how would you feel?

Quest

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

And to say that women who put their children up for adoptions are victoms of fraud...Im sure it happens, but it's hard to believe that it's the majority. Giving your child up for adoption isn't a conversation over dinner and a "sign near the x" deal. That woman has a whole 9 months of thinking to do before the baby is born. Agency's can't take your baby until it is born (obviously) and dont have the rights to claim a child before that. So...yeah...something isnt right in the state of Denmark...

 

[QuestionTime]

98%? Something that high can't be right. I'd love to see who they interviewed, where, what dates, and who conducted the study. 2% is almost like saying virtually no one.

Please consider this: If after giving birth to a beautiful child who has been in your womb for 9 months, would you be willing to give him/her up knowing that you will never see that child again? Did God not create an emotional bond between mother and child? This should not be a surprise at all that these mothers want to keep their babies. Not wanting to is heartless and unnatural.

Quest

 

[QuestionTime]

And to say that women who put their children up for adoptions are victoms of fraud...Im sure it happens, but it's hard to believe that it's the majority. Giving your child up for adoption isn't a conversation over dinner and a "sign near the x" deal. That woman has a whole 9 months of thinking to do before the baby is born. Agency's can't take your baby until it is born (obviously) and dont have the rights to claim a child before that. So...yeah...something isnt right in the state of Denmark...

Greetings Dread!

Have you by chance watched Senator Schaefer's video yet? It's probably only about 5 minutes long and it's very educational.

These women are told how they ought to think repeatedly, they are told that the only acceptable thing to do is to give up their child. They are told that if they want to keep their babies that they are being selfish. They are weak and vulnerable and confused. Also often times with younger mothers their parents force them to sign or sign for them. Some don't even sign at all and their babies are still taken. Please see the exiledmothers website for stories of manipulation and lies.

Quest

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

Did God not create an emotional bond between mother and child? This should not be a surprise at all that these mothers want to keep their babies. Not wanting to is heartless and unnatural.

Quest

You are assuming that ALL women actually want to keep their babies. Dont you know people better than that? People themselves are heartless and unnatural. Why do the kids have to face the concequences of living with heartless and unnatural people who, by the way, DONT want them?

What are those kids going to think? If I do this maybe mommy will wish she had kept me? What if that mother never loves her kid. You can't say that doesn't happen. Are you saying that's better than being adopted by a woman who will?

By the way I'm not upset at you or anything for your opinion I just get passionate.

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

Greetings Dread!

Have you by chance watched Senator Schaefer's video yet? It's probably only about 5 minutes long and it's very educational.

These women are told how they ought to think repeatedly, they are told that the only acceptable thing to do is to give up their child. They are told that if they want to keep their babies that they are being selfish. They are weak and vulnerable and confused. Also often times with younger mothers their parents force them to sign or sign for them. Some don't even sign at all and their babies are still taken. Please see the exiledmothers website for stories of manipulation and lies.

Quest

I sincerely doubt that anyone who gives up their kid is brainwashed. I think people just dont want kids. How many couples do you know who say they dont want kids? A lotttttttttt.

 

[Cako53]

Maybe I am alone on this feeling, but I highly doubt that I am. Who else is going to care for them if their parents give them up? How do you expect someone who can't walk to fend for themselves? Would you like them to get a job? I don't see how God is against someone adopting a child seeing as we are called to help the needy. In my eyes, and I'm sure many other's eyes, a child with no parents or caretakers, are needy. I have no idea where you are trying to go with this.

 

[Chris-Wiara]

Hi QuestionTime,

I read your initial message, didn't watch any videos or anything...but I wanted to add some input.

I agree with you that whenever possible a child should not be separated from their parents. But the reality of the matter is we live in a fallen world. We live in a world where euthanasia is okay, divorce is a norm, abortion is accepted. Our world is full of things that should never have been an issue in its creation, it being the world.

What I'm saying is parents die, children are left without families and put up for adoption, in cases like these it would be cruel to not adopt on the basis of children should be with their parents. Their parents are gone, their families don't want them, if God impresses on someone’s heart to take that child into their home I see no problem with that.

Another instance which is murkier is in the case of mothers putting their children up for adoption. Like I said earlier we live in a broken world where things like abortion are okay. We try and try to show them reason and why they should not extinguish a glorious life God has given them, but often times there are various and diverse cases that come into play. You have women who are raped, can't support themselves much less a child, all sorts of things...Such as in the case of rape, there are many women I have talked to personally that would not want to keep a child that they acquired from rape. Honestly a situation like that is very hard to deal with I'm sure and I could not understand the feeling.

But rather than a woman abort her child, I would certainly try my best to get her to at least put the child up for adoption. In your case where you see adoption as a horrible thing, you can look at adoption as the lesser of two evils. Abortion being the extermination of a human life, a gift from God, and adoption allowing that life to continue, albeit separate from the birth-mother. In a case like this you would have to agree that adoption is not a completely evil thing.

In the case with the starving mother that can't support herself much less a child, there are many women around the world that want so much for their children to live a better life they literally try to hand their child to you as you walk by. We can't underestimate the emotion and how much they would want to keep their child, because I am positive many women do not want to give up their child, but in a case like this a loving mother giving her child up for adoption is her way of keeping her child alive. That is a strong love and a sad story, but it happens all the time.

In my eyes adoption is a place of both unwanted and wanted children. Many of them have parents that just did not want them, but at the same time many of them had parent that care for them very much. Sadly often times we hear the stories of the children to end up being abused and all, and yes I agree it is a horrible thing, but to say it is evil for Christians to adopt a child is a ridiculous thing in itself.

My neighbors tried several times to have a child, it never worked out. For years they wanted only to have the chance to be parents and to have a child to love as their own. About 2 years ago a Christian adoption organization contacted them and let them know a mother from Honduras I believe came to them and this woman had many children. She was pregnant and she knew she would be unable to care for another, whatever the reason I am unsure, but she came to the States and gave birth to the beautiful little girl she loves very much.

My neighbors took on this little girl to be their daughter for the woman who was unable to do so herself. She has never stopped loving the baby, she did what she had to do to let her baby live. My neighbors did not wish to separate a baby from its mother and she was not brainwashed to give up her baby. Giving up your child could never be a simple thing. So my neighbors love the little girl as if she was theirs and they are raising her under God.

So the point to my message was to say there are times when you can not deny that there are situations where adoption could be the best option for the child. Even if you disagree with adoption completely, I must say I agree with abortion or starvation so much more that adoption is almost silly to consider a bad thing in my mind.

Hope it helps.

God bless,
Chris