Christian mom with two teenage girls

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Angela53510

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Pray for them, and trust God for the harvest. My daughter was very religious, and very obedient and kept every rule. But no heart relationship with God. Then a friend, a figure skater she skated with an admired came to the Lord, and brought my daughter along with her! It was a total answer to prayer.

As for my three sons, still on that journey. Believing but not really making God the center of their lives. So I continue to pray for them.
 
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shotgunner

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What is your definition of "forcing"?

Just a thought but I do not consider having a personal relationship with Christ to be religion. Religion is what man created.

If forcing is bringing up two girls in a home where christian values are practiced and christian rules applied to their lives; Id say go for it.

They can choose when they are paying their own bills. Until then, they need to be encouraged to do things at church with their peers and live a God honoring life. The Bible needs to be read in group and family environment so they get the word in them. Praying together and family discussions about whats going on in their lives so mom has an opportunity to teach them to look for answers in the Bible . There are ways to raise kids where God is the focus without forcing it on them. It is merely going to be the atmosphere.Consistent godly values applied to all things is a good thing.
This needed to be said again. Nothing in the above is unnecessarily painful unless you have already allowed them to be conformed to the world. In that case being transformed by the renewing of the mind may meet some resistance. That's OK! That's why we are parents. Our job is to influence and guide our children. YES, even sometimes with the rod of correction, for foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child but the rod of correction will drive it far from them.

I have 3 girls, 24, 16,11, and a 6 year old boy. I have spanked all of them all their life when necessary. They love me and I love them. None of them have ever been on drugs or in trouble with the law. Mostly it's because I'm strict on them. I do however show equal love and affection. I'm not a heavy handed dictator.

I don't allow my 16 year olds to date alone. I have encouraged them to date from a young age but always chaperoned. My job as a parent is to not allow children to make adult decisions. I don't put them in situations where they are forced to make adult decisions. They aren't equipped at 16 and 17 to make life changing decisions with boys in cars. I will protect and guide them until their brains are mature enough to make proper decisions.
 
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This needed to be said again. Nothing in the above is unnecessarily painful unless you have already allowed them to be conformed to the world. In that case being transformed by the renewing of the mind may meet some resistance. That's OK! That's why we are parents. Our job is to influence and guide our children. YES, even sometimes with the rod of correction, for foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child but the rod of correction will drive it far from them.

I have 3 girls, 24, 16,11, and a 6 year old boy. I have spanked all of them all their life when necessary. They love me and I love them. None of them have ever been on drugs or in trouble with the law. Mostly it's because I'm strict on them. I do however show equal love and affection. I'm not a heavy handed dictator.

I don't allow my 16 year olds to date alone. I have encouraged them to date from a young age but always chaperoned. My job as a parent is to not allow children to make adult decisions. I don't put them in situations where they are forced to make adult decisions. They aren't equipped at 16 and 17 to make life changing decisions with boys in cars. I will protect and guide them until their brains are mature enough to make proper decisions.
You sound like a wise dad!
You are correct in saying that it will always be a challenge because parents are at times met with resistance. We keep up the good work! Ha! If we are not being resisted imho we are not being the parent but trying to be the friend.
 
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God Bless!

I am a christian mom who is raising two wonderful daughters. One is 16 and the other is 13. I am very open in regards to faith. I do teach them and guide them as I can. However, my 13 year old is admitting to me that she is not having a close relationship with God which broke my heart. I understand that in the end it is their own decision. I just wish it did not hurt me so much. I love them dearly and I wish they did not have to venture into this world without Jesus in their lives.
Are you fishing for someone to suggest you should force it on your daughter?

I wouldn't, if I was you. Seems like you've already got a rational perspective on this. Let her make up her own mind.
 
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shotgunner

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Are you fishing for someone to suggest you should force it on your daughter?

I wouldn't, if I was you. Seems like you've already got a rational perspective on this. Let her make up her own mind.
Not at 13 and 16. Do I let them make up their own mind about going to school? Do I let them eat whatever they want? Do I let them make up their own mind about dating, about drinking, or drugs? NO!

When they are grown, then and only then do they get to make up their own minds.
 
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Not at 13 and 16. Do I let them make up their own mind about going to school? Do I let them eat whatever they want? Do I let them make up their own mind about dating, about drinking, or drugs? NO!

When they are grown, then and only then do they get to make up their own minds.
Then you're a controlling authoritarian parent (who actually seems irrationally angry about my response), and that's not my style. Kids should be able to eat what they want (providing it is within a healthy spectrum of choices which we as parents provide). If I know my kid doesn't like mashed potatoes, I'm not gonna make him eat mash. If I know my kid wants to date at 16, I'll speak to him about it and make sure he knows the score. I don't see the problem. If I know my kid is experimenting with alchohol I'll let him have a half-glass of beer with dinner, I'm all for giving it to him. As for drugs, I won't condone it, but I do have wiggle-room to understand that people tend to experiment with these things at some point in their lives.

I did.

When you give your kid no choices, he will resent you. When you present him options and don't force absolute prohibitions, he's less likely to have the forbidden fruit mentality about it all. If the OP forbids her thirteen year old from skipping church, she's gonna end up skipping it without her parents' permission anyway.

Aside form all that, the OP's daughters aren't your daughters (or my son), and their viewpoints are their own. The OP already believes she shouldn't force it on her kid. And I agree with her. Because do you know what happens if she does? She becomes out of touch with what her kids actually want for themselves, because she's too busy forcing them to believe what she wants them to believe rather than allowing them to make genuine decisions about their own damn thoughts. Would you rather her kids pretended to believe and went to church every week against their inner will? Is it fine for her kids to go to church only because they're forced to; for them to have to act like they believe in things that they really don't inside their own heads? They'll make up their own minds anyway, the only thing the OP needs to decide is whether she supports them making their own decisions, or stands against them making their own decisions.

The latter is sure to lead to a resentful relationship.
 
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This needed to be said again. Nothing in the above is unnecessarily painful unless you have already allowed them to be conformed to the world. In that case being transformed by the renewing of the mind may meet some resistance. That's OK! That's why we are parents. Our job is to influence and guide our children. YES, even sometimes with the rod of correction, for foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child but the rod of correction will drive it far from them.

I have 3 girls, 24, 16,11, and a 6 year old boy. I have spanked all of them all their life when necessary. They love me and I love them. None of them have ever been on drugs or in trouble with the law. Mostly it's because I'm strict on them. I do however show equal love and affection. I'm not a heavy handed dictator.

I don't allow my 16 year olds to date alone. I have encouraged them to date from a young age but always chaperoned. My job as a parent is to not allow children to make adult decisions. I don't put them in situations where they are forced to make adult decisions. They aren't equipped at 16 and 17 to make life changing decisions with boys in cars. I will protect and guide them until their brains are mature enough to make proper decisions.

There's obviously a difference of approach here. I believe that sheltering kids and dictating to kids leads to both an inability to deal with the world when it finally arrives, and an inability to make adult decisions with a good knowledge of who they actually are as people, aside from what their parents forced them to be. That's probably because my mother made so many of my choices for me, and sort of wrapped me up in cotton wool when I was a kid, then when I was sort of 15, 16, I was forced to do it all on my own.

I had to learn to make choices practically overnight, without ever having been given the freedom to make them for myself. I also had to learn to get to know myself very quickly.

When I was 16, I bought my own clothes, gave my parents a proportion of my income, bought my own car, and had to fund my own education in the local college, then I moved away to university and paid for that myself. I had a long term girlfiend at 17, and was with her until I was 22.

My parents, for many years, dictated to me what I should do, rather than give me choices. Then within the space of 6 months I was having to do it all myself. I never got eased into making adult decisions, nor was I encouraged as a child to really know myself and be myself.

I prefer to take a different approach than that. I would much rather expose my kid to the real world in little steps, and present him with options so that he can make choices for himself, and make mistakes, and get to know himself with my full and unwavering support. If he screws up, he knows I'll be there to help him. I won't throw him in the deep end like my parents did, and I won't take away his room for self-experimentation, nor stifle his personal growth, either.

At the end of the day, he's his own little person, not just some shadow of someone else's expectations.
 
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Then you're a controlling authoritarian parent (who actually seems irrationally angry about my response), and that's not my style. Kids should be able to eat what they want (providing it is within a healthy spectrum of choices which we as parents provide). If I know my kid doesn't like mashed potatoes, I'm not gonna make him eat mash. If I know my kid wants to date at 16, I'll speak to him about it and make sure he knows the score. I don't see the problem. If I know my kid is experimenting with alchohol I'll let him have a half-glass of beer with dinner, I'm all for giving it to him. As for drugs, I won't condone it, but I do have wiggle-room to understand that people tend to experiment with these things at some point in their lives.

I did.

When you give your kid no choices, he will resent you. When you present him options and don't force absolute prohibitions, he's less likely to have the forbidden fruit mentality about it all. If the OP forbids her thirteen year old from skipping church, she's gonna end up skipping it without her parents' permission anyway.

Aside form all that, the OP's daughters aren't your daughters (or my son), and their viewpoints are their own. The OP already believes she shouldn't force it on her kid. And I agree with her. Because do you know what happens if she does? She becomes out of touch with what her kids actually want for themselves, because she's too busy forcing them to believe what she wants them to believe rather than allowing them to make genuine decisions about their own damn thoughts. Would you rather her kids pretended to believe and went to church every week against their inner will? Is it fine for her kids to go to church only because they're forced to; for them to have to act like they believe in things that they really don't inside their own heads? They'll make up their own minds anyway, the only thing the OP needs to decide is whether she supports them making their own decisions, or stands against them making their own decisions.

The latter is sure to lead to a resentful relationship.
Well, that do whatever you feel like attitude is what is wrong with the whole world today. I have a wonderful relationship with all 4 of my children. They love and respect me and respect other adults. They are not rebellious nor do I keep them under a dictatorship. What I do is to teach them what is right and what is wrong. I reward right behavior and I punish wrong behavior. You can't let children choose their own path. If they had the ability to choose their own path they wouldn't need parents.

Children aren't able to make adult decisions and shouldn't be expected to until they are adults. No, you don't lock them in a room and let them out when they are 18. What you do is to slowly train them in small steps leading and guiding all along the way. Yes, you need to let them make some mistakes but a good parent doesn't put them into a situation where a mistake is life altering. You let them make small mistakes and show them why they choose wrong and the consequences of wrong choices. That way when they are adults and facing real life altering decisions they have the experience to deal with them and make correct choices.

Honestly, the approach you advocate is a sure way to failure in life. It's all of what is wrong with society today.
 
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BarlyGurl

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Thank you Shotgun... THANK YOU!