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Funny that adult kids learn to do that with God don't they Willie? I'm surprised by your critical spirit on this thread. I am proud of my son....he learned a valuable lesson on the importance of obeying God and I used licorice as the example. Would you rather he make huge mistakes to learn the lesson that God requires obedience but that when we fail He still loves us and that correction is love. Me personally....I'd rather it be about licorice than getting a girl pregnant, or stealing something or something even worse.
You have no idea what my relationship is with my son and you have no idea that my son understands that his dad will never cease loving him and that he understands God feels the same way. Your reaction came from a dark place. You should think about that.
You have no idea what my relationship is with my son and you have no idea that my son understands that his dad will never cease loving him and that he understands God feels the same way. Your reaction came from a dark place. You should think about that.
Well, since you are inviting me to rejoin your thread, I will.
Of course I don't know your relationship. That is why I went strictly on what you said you told him. And I simply asked if you might not have done better to tell him the true reason God said in Genesis 3:22 that He was putting them out of the garden.
And, does it not seem to be confusing to tell him, on the one hand, that God will leave him (separate from him) if he does wrong, then hope to reverse that erroneous statement by telling him that "Even though we all make mistakes, we are still loved to pieces."? ("I love you, but I will turn my back on you if you make a mistake." is really what we are communicating.)
Just about every single one of us on this forum expresses regret that we were victims of sometimes a lot of very confusing "teaching" as a child that left us having to untangle a mess of conflicting notions.
All I was ever saying is to make sure we don't do that to our own children.... giving them the same problems with understanding God that many of us grew up with.
Of course I don't know your relationship. That is why I went strictly on what you said you told him. And I simply asked if you might not have done better to tell him the true reason God said in Genesis 3:22 that He was putting them out of the garden.
And, does it not seem to be confusing to tell him, on the one hand, that God will leave him (separate from him) if he does wrong, then hope to reverse that erroneous statement by telling him that "Even though we all make mistakes, we are still loved to pieces."? ("I love you, but I will turn my back on you if you make a mistake." is really what we are communicating.)
Just about every single one of us on this forum expresses regret that we were victims of sometimes a lot of very confusing "teaching" as a child that left us having to untangle a mess of conflicting notions.
All I was ever saying is to make sure we don't do that to our own children.... giving them the same problems with understanding God that many of us grew up with.
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but you see....I didn't turn my back on him. I didn't condemn him...I didn't assassinate his personhood. I taught him a lesson on the importance of obedience and He got a good picture of the gospel in the process.
Where parents go wrong is not allowing for reparation and reconnection and not modeling both of those things. It is not the disconnection that destroys the kids heart but failure at reparation. Reparation is key in disciplining your child. That is really the whole point of the thread and a discerning individual would have picked up on that since reparation is part and parcel to what the gospel is.
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Where parents go wrong is not allowing for reparation and reconnection and not modeling both of those things. It is not the disconnection that destroys the kids heart but failure at reparation. Reparation is key in disciplining your child. That is really the whole point of the thread and a discerning individual would have picked up on that since reparation is part and parcel to what the gospel is.
Reparation | Define Reparation at Dictionary.com
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Your generation raised their kids with guilt and shame...I know because I have spent my life walking back the damage my parents put on me. When I made mistakes it was connected to my value as a human....if I was good I was valued...if I was not good, I was not valued and there was no reconnection after my wrongdoing. That kind of parenting brings death and destruction on ones soul. Maybe you're associating the way you parented on the way I do?
I was raised with that guilt thing. I eventually learned better. I made sure I never taught such things. I made sure my kids knew that God NEVER separated Himself from them.... even before they accepted Christ. They understood that, just like A&E, it was US who perceived separation in our own minds. (God came looking for A&E... God talked with them... God clothed them... God even came to speak with their children outside the garden.) ALL OF THIS, AFTER THEY HAD SINNED.
It is a shame that some of us still continue to teach children that God will separate Himself from them if they do wrong.
It is a shame that some of us still continue to teach children that God will separate Himself from them if they do wrong.
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I see you don't want to answer my previous question so:
Lemme just break this down for you Willie. What my son learned is that sin/disobedience causes broken relationship and the consequence for that sin is that God came in the person of Jesus and died to restore that broken relationship...and...that it is my responsibility as his dad to teach him the importance of submitting to me and to God and that we both need Jesus. I'm not sure what your malfunction is with that.
No where did my son determine that because he makes mistakes/sins...that God doesn't love him or that I don't love him. You also do not see the times that I make mistakes or have sinned against my son that I ask for his forgiveness. You also are not considering the fact that I always revisit these things to determine that he is understanding the message correctly. You are somehow adding this false notion that you have about how I parent my child or the message he receives based on some personal bias or experience that you have had.
Lemme just break this down for you Willie. What my son learned is that sin/disobedience causes broken relationship and the consequence for that sin is that God came in the person of Jesus and died to restore that broken relationship...and...that it is my responsibility as his dad to teach him the importance of submitting to me and to God and that we both need Jesus. I'm not sure what your malfunction is with that.
No where did my son determine that because he makes mistakes/sins...that God doesn't love him or that I don't love him. You also do not see the times that I make mistakes or have sinned against my son that I ask for his forgiveness. You also are not considering the fact that I always revisit these things to determine that he is understanding the message correctly. You are somehow adding this false notion that you have about how I parent my child or the message he receives based on some personal bias or experience that you have had.
"For God so loved the (whole) world...."
".... in that while we were yet sinners, He sent His son...."
I'd say the answer is "Yes", God loved people who never even met Jesus, or heard of Him because, for many of them, He wouldn't be born for thousands of years yet.
He called the entire Israelite nation His children (that's "sons" and "daughters") long before Jesus appeared.
What was the word He used for Abraham? Oh yeah... "friend."
".... in that while we were yet sinners, He sent His son...."
I'd say the answer is "Yes", God loved people who never even met Jesus, or heard of Him because, for many of them, He wouldn't be born for thousands of years yet.
He called the entire Israelite nation His children (that's "sons" and "daughters") long before Jesus appeared.
What was the word He used for Abraham? Oh yeah... "friend."