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This is the truth about the heretical investigative judgement of SDA:
Here are some problems with Adventist teachings regarding Investigative Judgment.
1. God already knows who are His own - Adventists teach that God must make an investigation to determine whose names to keep in the Book of Life, and whose to blot out. The Bible teaches that God already knows who the righteous are:
2. God Knows Everything - One of the attributes of God's nature is "omniscience" which means that God knows everything that is possible to know. There is nothing that God does not already know.
3. When are sins blotted out? - The Adventist Church teaches the sins of the righteous are not blotted out until after the Investigative Judgment.[SUP]2[/SUP] The Bible teaches that our sins are blotted out when we repent:
Here are some problems with Adventist teachings regarding Investigative Judgment.
1. God already knows who are His own - Adventists teach that God must make an investigation to determine whose names to keep in the Book of Life, and whose to blot out. The Bible teaches that God already knows who the righteous are:
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep… (John 10:14)
The Lord knoweth them that are His. (2 Tim. 2:19)
The Bible is very clear that God already knows exactly who is righteous and who is not. He does not need to carry out any investigation to determine who the righteous are. 2. God Knows Everything - One of the attributes of God's nature is "omniscience" which means that God knows everything that is possible to know. There is nothing that God does not already know.
Known unto God are all His works from the beginning of the world. (Acts 15:18)
Can any hide himself in secret, that I shall not see him? Saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? Saith the Lord. (Jer. 23:24)
The word of God is living and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. And there is no creature that is not manifest in His sight; but all things are naked and laid open to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do. (Heb. 4:12,13)
O Lord, Thou hast searched me, and known me. Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising. Thou understandest my thought afar off. Thou searchest out my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways. For there is not a word in my tongue, but lo, O Lord, Thou knowest it altogether. (Ps. 139:1-4)
Jesus did not commit Himself unto them, because He knew all men, and needed not that any should testify of man; for He knew what was in man. (John 2:24)
Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray Him. (John 6:64)
In 1844, God already knew everyone that was saved. In fact, before the world even existed He already knew the exact list of which humans would be saved and which ones would be lost. Why would God need to "investigate" something He has known since before the dawn of time? 3. When are sins blotted out? - The Adventist Church teaches the sins of the righteous are not blotted out until after the Investigative Judgment.[SUP]2[/SUP] The Bible teaches that our sins are blotted out when we repent:
I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee. (Isaiah 44:22)
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. (Acts 3:19)
…and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (1 John 1:7)
4. Atonement completed at the Cross - The Adventist Church teaches that the Atonement is not finished until the Investigative Judgment is completed just prior to the second coming of Jesus. The Bible teaches the Atonement was finished when Jesus died on the Cross: Jesus said, "It is finished." (John 19:30)
But this man [Jesus], after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. (Heb. 10:12-14)
The Bible teaches that Christ's atonement on the cross has perfected (past tense) His children. Christians are not made perfect during the Investigative Judgment period. If we are "in Christ," then we were made perfect 2,000 years ago through Christ's perfect sacrifice on Calvary. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. (Rom. 8:1)
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. (Rom. 5:9)
5. Eternal life begins at conversion - Adventists teach that no one should say they are "saved" because our salvation will not be certain until we pass through the Investigative Judgment. The Bible teaches that whoever accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior has (present tense) eternal life: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. (John 5:24)
We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not [his] brother abideth in death. (1 John 3:14)
6. Cases of the Righteous have already been decided! The Adventist Church teaches that "all" must pass through the Investigative Judgment to determine whether or not they will be saved.[SUP]3[/SUP] Adventists claim the Investigative Judgment started in 1844, but the Bible clearly shows that the cases of the righteous have already been decided long prior to the Investigative Judgment: Thief on the cross: Jesus declared to the thief on the cross, "Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." (Luke 22:43). How could Jesus make a determination on the case of the thief prior to the Investigative Judgment? The thief's case was determined some 1800 years before the "Investigative Judgment" when he repented and accepted Jesus on the cross. This proves that Christ needs no Investigative Judgment to determine who will be with Him in heaven. Why would He treat us any differently than He treated the thief on the cross?
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: The Bible says Abraham was justified (accounted righteous) by faith (Rom. 4:2-5). Nearly 1800 years before the Investigative Judgment supposedly began Jesus declared:
And I say unto you, that many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. (Matt. 8:11)
Jesus did not need an Investigative Judgment to determine the cases of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, so why does He need one to determine our destiny?Enoch: Adventists claim that Enoch was taken to heaven (Gen. 5:24). How did God know Enoch could be taken to heaven without an investigation?
Moses: Adventists claim that after Moses sinned and died he was resurrected and taken to heaven (Jude 9). If everyone's sins are not blotted out until after the investigative judgment, then how could Moses enter heaven?
Elijah: The Bible says that "Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven" (1 Kings 2:11). How could God take Elijah before the Investigative Judgement was completed?
7. When did Christ enter the Holiest? Seventh-day Adventists teach that Jesus entered two times into the Most Holy Place of the heavenly sanctuary--once at His ascension, and once again in 1844 at the beginning of the aypical Day of Atonement. The Bible truth is that Christ entered only once: But by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. (Hebrews 9:12)
But this man {Christ}, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God. (Hebrews 10:12)
The what is the purpose of the judgment if all is said and done. Who is Jesus judging at the end? God says all have sinned and come short of His glory. If there is a judgment, then there has to be an investigation of those being judged. Yes, God knows who are His, but still there is going to be a judgment. The book of life will be opened and God says humanity will judged accordingly according to these scriptures.
[h=1] Romans 14:10-12
[/h][SUP]10 [/SUP]But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Revelation 20:12-13
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Romans 1:32
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
1 Corinthians 6:2-4
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
What does the Bible say?
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I really don't think any of us are far away from each other in agreement. The point I was trying to make is that when we sin against someone it creates disconnection...then we do a whole host of things to make ourselves feel comfortable instead of pressing in to the relationship and putting a period on the conflict. A story with no punctuation, paragraphs and chapters is a jumbled up frustrating mess.
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such an insightful analogy....it takes the better person to be able to re-trace their mistakes
and have a heart to correct or apologize if necessary...this brings release, if we take-a-hold
of our opportunities when they present themselves...
yes, wisdom does come with age and experience...but none of us are ever to wise or to old
to learn from others.......
such an insightful analogy....it takes the better person to be able to re-trace their mistakes
and have a heart to correct or apologize if necessary...this brings release, if we take-a-hold
of our opportunities when they present themselves...
yes, wisdom does come with age and experience...but none of us are ever to wise or to old
to learn from others.......
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Thank you. I didn't come up with it myself I don't think. In interpersonal conflict we either have the tendency to put ourselves above (one up one down relationship) or we try to take care of both sides of the relationship...which is what I am prone to do...I suppose it is a lot like co dependency. Where as a one up one down person thinks their side of the street is pristine. They don't know how to receive an apology and will say something along the lines of "I accept your apology" and in their mind thinking it was all you. Either mindset still creates disconnection and more pain.
