We think our son is marrying the wrong girl

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Dee7

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My 29-year old son is a great Christian young man, and loves the Lord. But when it comes to women, he has some blind spots in his judgment, his mother and I believe. Last year he was dating a fine Christian girl who was headed to graduate school and worked two jobs. There were engaged and set to be married but my son gave this girl a list of demands that he expected his wife to do, such as rising early, always fixing his breakfast, always submitting to his desires. The girl said she couldn't live up to that standard, so she ended the engagement. Only two months later, he started dating another girl who says she is a Christian, and after only 10 weeks of dating, he is going to ask her to marry him. This new girl has never had a job, at 27 years old, she lives at home with her mother and sleeps in nearly to noon every day, and spends her days doing crafts, watching movies, and hosting parties for her friends at church. She tells me of what she does (or doesn't) and our mouths just fall open. I have asked my son not to marry this girl. Now he tell me that she wants him to sell his house he owns a few blocks away from our house so they can move farther away.

I am concerned that this girl is going to tear our son far away from us, isolate us from him, and take steps to cut us off from him. She knows we don't approve of her, but my son says he is his own man is going to marry her regardless of what we think. I know he is his own man, and I know he doesn't expect my approval, but we just want him to wait much longer about rushing into this marriage until he and I have a much higher comfort level with this girl.

Our family has always worked hard and valued achievements. I have just never met a girl with so few aspirations and I really can't relate to her lack of industry. Her mother works hard to support two other adult siblings at home, with one having a spouse, and a teenage son, and the mother is the only one with a job. It is really a clash of cultures and I have a hard time understanding how to reconcile the huge differences in values between the girl's family and ours.

We have four other children, three of whom are married to excellent God-loving and hard-working spouses. None of our other children want to talk with our son now, much less spend time with this girl. It has truly split our family by him introducing this girl with such divergent values. Not only do we differ in terms of working, but we don't see eye-to-eye with her on doctrine, politics and many other issues, such as finances.

I asked the girl if she thought she could be described as lazy, since she also does little work around her own house, and she said she would have to wait to see if God would tell her whether she was. My sons says that if he wants her to sleep all day and do nothing then that is how he will run his house. I'm at a loss at what my son sees in her, especially since he had just high expectations for his previous fiancee and no expectations for this one.

Can anybody who has dealt with this issue give me advice on how to respond to this situation, to try to make the best of it? It is absolutely breaking our hearts, since we're worked so hard for all these years to love and support all our children in our home-school and as they start their adult lives.
 

blue_ladybug

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This situation is a train wreck in progress. Even more so if he actually marries her. Tell him the things this girl has told you about what she does, and does NOT do. Maybe then he'll listen and end this farce of an engagement. If not, then he'll have an unhappy marriage and subsequent divorce.. :/ He IS an adult, however, so he's going to make his own choice in this. All you as parents can do is offer advice, and encouragement why he shouldn't marry her, but in the end, it's HIS decision. Just pray that his eyes are opened before it's too late.
 
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Dee7

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Thank you for your fast reply. I discussed with this girl what she did/didn't do in front of him, so he could see her response. I don't think it made any difference in what he thought of her. For what it was worth, the girl told me that she "forgave me" for all my "judgmental attitudes" about her. I told her that I had nothing to be forgiven of. Thank you for helping me feel that I'm not completely in left field, since my son can't understand why I'm not jumping up and down, excited about him marrying this girl, like the girl's mother is doing.
 

blue_ladybug

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Has he given this girl the same "list" he gave to the first one? Does she meet all (or any) of his requirements on the list? She sounds rather lazy and irresponsible to me..
 
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Dee7

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Nope. No list of requirements, expectations, desires, nothing. That's also a puzzlement. We can't figure out why he would hold all his other girlfriends to such high standards and hold this girl to nothing, other than he wants to get married so badly he's ready to throw everything out the window.
 

blue_ladybug

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Nope. No list of requirements, expectations, desires, nothing. That's also a puzzlement. We can't figure out why he would hold all his other girlfriends to such high standards and hold this girl to nothing, other than he wants to get married so badly he's ready to throw everything out the window.

Hmm, maybe he thought the other girl was the ONLY girl who could meet his high standards on that list, and when he found out she wasn't, he just gave up and took whoever came along next, regardless of what they're like? It sounds like that's exactly what he's doing. Or maybe he's in love with the idea of finding the "perfect girl" and being happily married. I agree with your assessment that he wants to get married badly and that's why he's taking whoever comes his way..
 
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coby

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Nope. No list of requirements, expectations, desires, nothing. That's also a puzzlement. We can't figure out why he would hold all his other girlfriends to such high standards and hold this girl to nothing, other than he wants to get married so badly he's ready to throw everything out the window.
Well nice that he doesn't have a list anymore. Terrible. At least he learned not to be so controlling as with the other one, lol but now maybe it's a bit too extreme. Well if she isn't on drugs or something. Is she on fire for the Lord?
I understand your concern but you only make it worse. He won't listen if you infere in his life, with his girlfriend. It's his choice although maybe not a good one. Just stay out of it. It's good for them to move if you can't stop interfering with them. That's the advice they give to just marrieds. Don't let your inlaws become outlaws.
We have one stand up comedian here. He said if I didn't like the boyfriend of my daughter I would praise him out of heaven. Try that. Just be friendly, say something nice about her, say sorry, don't judge her, don't interfere and pray for them. If it is God's will it will work out, but never interfere if you want a good relationship with your son.
I came home with a drugaddict. My mom: oooooooh he's not good enough for you. He has no job. Don't do it! Oh please back off. Well she's wise. She did. She did a lot of effort to keep her mouth shut and prayed. Then I asked a guy on a forum for advice. He said: Sure you can marry him but realize that you're with him then the rest of your life. You want to save him. I used to save pretty damsels in distress but it came back to bite me.
Not a parent, not controlling, great wisdom, I broke it off immediately.
Just try to let go and pray for them. It must be hard when your kids grow up.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Have a respectful, calm chat with him about it.
Ultimately, it's his choice, arranged marriages aren't legal most parts of the world

and he cannot expect his wife to be his servant
 

kodiak

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My 29-year old son is a great Christian young man, and loves the Lord. But when it comes to women, he has some blind spots in his judgment, his mother and I believe. Last year he was dating a fine Christian girl who was headed to graduate school and worked two jobs. There were engaged and set to be married but my son gave this girl a list of demands that he expected his wife to do, such as rising early, always fixing his breakfast, always submitting to his desires. The girl said she couldn't live up to that standard, so she ended the engagement. Only two months later, he started dating another girl who says she is a Christian, and after only 10 weeks of dating, he is going to ask her to marry him. This new girl has never had a job, at 27 years old, she lives at home with her mother and sleeps in nearly to noon every day, and spends her days doing crafts, watching movies, and hosting parties for her friends at church. She tells me of what she does (or doesn't) and our mouths just fall open. I have asked my son not to marry this girl. Now he tell me that she wants him to sell his house he owns a few blocks away from our house so they can move farther away.

I am concerned that this girl is going to tear our son far away from us, isolate us from him, and take steps to cut us off from him. She knows we don't approve of her, but my son says he is his own man is going to marry her regardless of what we think. I know he is his own man, and I know he doesn't expect my approval, but we just want him to wait much longer about rushing into this marriage until he and I have a much higher comfort level with this girl.

Our family has always worked hard and valued achievements. I have just never met a girl with so few aspirations and I really can't relate to her lack of industry. Her mother works hard to support two other adult siblings at home, with one having a spouse, and a teenage son, and the mother is the only one with a job. It is really a clash of cultures and I have a hard time understanding how to reconcile the huge differences in values between the girl's family and ours.

We have four other children, three of whom are married to excellent God-loving and hard-working spouses. None of our other children want to talk with our son now, much less spend time with this girl. It has truly split our family by him introducing this girl with such divergent values. Not only do we differ in terms of working, but we don't see eye-to-eye with her on doctrine, politics and many other issues, such as finances.

I asked the girl if she thought she could be described as lazy, since she also does little work around her own house, and she said she would have to wait to see if God would tell her whether she was. My sons says that if he wants her to sleep all day and do nothing then that is how he will run his house. I'm at a loss at what my son sees in her, especially since he had just high expectations for his previous fiancee and no expectations for this one.

Can anybody who has dealt with this issue give me advice on how to respond to this situation, to try to make the best of it? It is absolutely breaking our hearts, since we're worked so hard for all these years to love and support all our children in our home-school and as they start their adult lives.
I am probably misinterpreting this, but does he think he gets to control whatever his wife does? If so, it could be he couldn't find the person to meet the high expectations, so the only person he could control was someone who chose to not do much...and just tell her to not do much?
 
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Dee7

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That could be it. But this girl has a streak in her that is opinionated and stubborn, so I really doubt he is going to be able to push her around for very long.
 
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coby

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I am probably misinterpreting this, but does he think he gets to control whatever his wife does? If so, it could be he couldn't find the person to meet the high expectations, so the only person he could control was someone who chose to not do much...and just tell her to not do much?
No that just means: it's none of your business, even if I wanted that. I think he got tired of all the performance and demands and control and now went too much to the other side.
 
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kaylagrl

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That could be it. But this girl has a streak in her that is opinionated and stubborn, so I really doubt he is going to be able to push her around for very long.
Your son clearly doesn't know what he's in for. I would want to do the same thing you are doing,trying to knock sense into him.The problem is that the more you speak against her the more you push him to protect her. I heard a pastor say a man is never so weak as when he's in love. All common sense is gone. You and your family being upset with him just brings out the manly instinct to protect her. He will keep resisting you. And she sees your resistance and realizes she has his protection,she has an angle with him that you don't have.

You will find it very hard to do but you need to take away his reason for resistance. You need to take away his fight.He feels persecuted by his family. Its the Romeo/Juliet scenario. Just the two of them against the world. You have to take away that resistance. She will lose her pull on him if you and your wife just accept her. She's turning him against you.He can't see her for who she is,he can't see her faults. All he sees is he loves her,so he thinks,and she needs his protection. The more you are down on her the more you are pushing him into her arms. Tell your son you have prayed about it and you feel he's old enough to make his own decision. Take all the pressure off. It wont be easy but your pushing is pushing him away from you and into her arms. She knows her power.Take it away from her and he may wake up and see what he's getting into.
 
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Dee7

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Thank you. That was very well put. I will take your advice to heart and definitely do what you say. Thank you for taking the time to try to help.
 

Dan58

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Sounds like your son prefers a do-nothing homebody, rather than someone who actually contributes. Hopefully he's got a heck of a good job, he's going to need it :)

I suspect he loves this girl, which is why he's put no conditions on her like he did the previous one? Love is a funny business, it can make us make bad or illogical decisions. I'd just encourage him to be patient and wait awhile. Love is blind, but sooner or later the initial lovey dovey impact wears off, and that's when her never having a job or getting out of bed before noon will begin to wear thin. Sounds like he's currently emotionally naive, but its essentially his choice and preference to be with someone like that. All you can do is encourage him to look a little further down the road. And record your advise, so you can play it back to him after the divorce and he's complaining about alimony payments :)
 
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kaylagrl

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Sounds like your son prefers a do-nothing homebody, rather than someone who actually contributes. Hopefully he's got a heck of a good job, he's going to need it :)

I suspect he loves this girl, which is why he's put no conditions on her like he did the previous one? Love is a funny business, it can make us make bad or illogical decisions. I'd just encourage him to be patient and wait awhile. Love is blind, but sooner or later the initial lovey dovey impact wears off, and that's when her never having a job or getting out of bed before noon will begin to wear thin. Sounds like he's currently emotionally naive, but its essentially his choice and preference to be with someone like that. All you can do is encourage him to look a little further down the road. And record your advise, so you can play it back to him after the divorce and he's complaining about alimony payments :)


Quote "Sounds like your son prefers a do-nothing homebody, rather than someone who actually contributes. "

I don't work outside the home but Im far from a do nothing homebody. Im sure you didn't mean it that way.But stay at home wives do actually work. If she doesn't they'll be on the next Horders episode. A house doesn't keep itself.

Dee, I know my advice doesn't sound sensible but I've been in a similar situation. A family member married a man who had a daughter. We urged her to slow down. She had no experience with children,nor had she dated anyone seriously. The more we tried to slow her down the more she didn't listen and moved to his parents home so she didn't have to hear us. She married him and her life has been hell. Stop resisting your son,let him get a clear head and a snoot full of this girl. He's so busy fighting you he's not seeing who she really is. And she is whispering in his ear and using you as the enemy. Take away the fight in the dog.Stop the tug of war.Pray God will show your son who she really is. Blessings.
 
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Nandizu

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Hi Dee7. This is a very difficult situation, especially when it's your son/daughter. I had a similar situation with my son, who was dating a former classmate that wouldn't give him the time of day while in H.S. They got together several years after graduation and began seeing one another. After speaking with her, I realized she was definitely NOT the right one for my son. When I asked him about their relationship, he said they were just friends. I told him that was good because she is not for you...she requires professional help. After awhile, they moved in an apartment together. My son has Sickle Cell and stress will cause a "Pain Crisis." She had him in the hospital Every Week stressed from constant arguing. That was his lesson. I did not badger him about her, I told him ONCE, she is not for you and allowed him to decide. As difficult as it is, you will have to do the same. Because they are adults, there is only so much we can do - and then there's God. Keep your son AND the girl lifted in prayer. God Bless
 
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Dee7

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No, I didn't mean that stay-at-home women do nothing. My wife has kept our home and worked her rear-end off for the last 34 years. But this girl cooks for her family only once a week, does little to none of the cleaning and literally spends hours and hours on crafts that she doesn't want to make any money. Thank you for the good advice. I will definitely follow it and continue to pray. Thank you for answering.
 
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Dee7

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This girl treated my son the same way. He wanted to date her for a year and she ignored him, until he started to date another girl and she caught wind of it. Then, she suddenly was interested. And my son said they were friends and knew each other well before they formally started dating, so the 10-week span really should be about two years. Thank you for your input and advice.
 
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Nandizu

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You're welcome. I hope it all works out for the best.
 
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You probably won't like this, but sounds to me like a good girl for your son. From your account the first girl that you liked did not appreciate him. From the sound of it this second girl does. Any woman is going to have her set of problems, but frankly with people of my generation if the girl ain't all ready slept around with like 50 guys and isn't some strange pagan woman, then you really shouldn't worry too much. It's tough in this generation, so I'm all for my generational comrades that are Christians getting married rightly. For a single Christian man in this generation just finding a truly single Christian woman is like the most epic scavenger hunt since Galahad and the Grail. Then you gotta find one that actually likes you too, which is even harder for the young men! A loving wife is worth more than rubies or something like that as written in Proverbs.

In my opinion if I try to put myself in your sons shoes as you describe him I'd rather be with someone I can easily love and that loves me back rather than be rich with someone I have to strive with for 2 years that in the end still does not appreciate me. That's just me though, perhaps your son is way different. I can empathize with you a bit though especially your sense that maybe indeed they are rushing this a little too fast, having been single almost all my life I'd probably rush a bit too lol so I don't blame him, but indeed I think you're parental prudence on maybe waiting a lil longer to get to know better the new girl is correct. After all if their hearts are set to marry anyways and it's inevitable, then there's no need to rush I suppose.

Affairs of the heart are tricky though, especially for a naïve single like me lol so my apologies, just my perspective. I will hope either way it works out for the best whether he marries the woman or not. If he doesn't marry her I hope he be comforted as break-ups are hard, and hope he be able to move on and still succeed. If he does marry her though, I hope maybe you and your wife would reconsider her some and I hope their marriage stays strong.