Confused with the will of God

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dimples18

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Thank you for your breath of encouragement. I love the victory you spoke. I do want to help once I help my self.
 
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dimples18

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You are a captive.
A captive is obsessed with deliverance.


Know this. God is bigger than your situation.
Your home is your fortress. A place to feel safe. A place of refreshing and normal peace and growth.
This has been perverted by your husband.

You need to read 1 &2 Samuel.
Your story is mirrored almost exactly in that book. (it was one book originally).

I have walked in your shoes.
Keep your gaze fixed two places.
Jesus
Your kids

We loose our life and our right to our life 3 places.

Jesus
Our spouse
Our children

That is the prism you need to look through.

Now,concerning victory.(the thing you have,but is elusive to you)

You have no victory.
Ahhh,but in fact you have total victory.

Why?.....How?...where is it?

The word of God. You have victory because HE said so.
If,and before you leave him,master 3things.
Dying
Victory ...inspite of circumstances. (the result of a REAL FAITH)
Now the biggie....A two dimensional walk.
We have a natural walk. Job,kids,housework,whatever.
We have a spirit walk. The spirit walk comes g
Directly out of your secret place. You ABSOLUTELY MUST CULTIVATE THIS.
FOR YOU it is life and death.

Your trial is an awesome one. A treacherous one . Victory is sure. Joy will come. A hilarious joy. A new spring in your step.

I have and am still walking your walk.

Read what I told you. Make the jump to the supernatural.

But beyond me or anyone here,be LEAD OF THE LORD.

Lord bring her a Holy Ghost companion,and send your warring angels to her,your messengers with messages. Give her a new strength.
Show her the key in her hand that unlocks any door out of that dungeon. Lead her. Guide her. Illuminate her path,clear her mind,let her have clarity,restore her soul.

Make her into a warrior,and let her lead many captive from the same treachery..
Thank you so much for your words. To hear your words of faith and coming from someone who has been through it, that's what I love about the body of Christ. Thank you for your realness and compassion. People seem to be running out of it. God bless you.
 
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dimples18

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There are enough things not adding up in this story to give me confidence in calling him an abuser without hearing the whole story from more than one side. I really wish y'all would stop pronouncing verdicts before knowing all the evidence. I know you won't. To do that is quite the thing to do on CC, but it's not right.
There's no need to pronounce verdicts. I'm not pondering if he is/isn't an abuser. What I prayed for was some type of direction, to be or to not be a godly woman to an undeserving man. Whether you belive it or not, I was abstinent even more so, a virgin until after that night. I was too young and unlike this generation afraid to have a sex. He was and is still my only man, I was passed out on new years Eve. 3 months later i found out i was pregnant. And was born in October. You can do the math. Being my first son and referencing to my youth, it was not a circumstance I was familiar with therefore i was not aware of my pregnancy. It happens. In fact some people don't even know until they're on the delivery table. Is it a one sided story? Aren't they all? If my husband would explain himself we would be in therapy and not relying on the online body of Christ. Is my story full of regret as you say? Of course. There are things I'm at fault for and things that were out my control. Im not here for conviction or to play victim. i didn't mention my whole life story because i wasn't expecting to be judged upon it. I don't understand how that matters or why. I simply gave background information to get help discerning if my situation was Gods will for his glory and victory or a hindrance depriving me of glorifying Him.
 
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dimples18

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Cultural differences. She is from South Africa according to the flag.


For the cause of Christ
Roger
Thats my nationality. Not my culture. I live in Illinois. Like i said my mother wanted to avoid legalities. Why? She let a man kick her daughter out at a defenseless age and knew another man was doing her the favor of "caring" for her. She could've easily went to jail. Trust me, my life story sounds crazy, even to me. Yet i couldn't begin to make this up.
 
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She was married at 14...in case you missed that part. Them mentally and emotionally abused and rape for 12 years.
And since you think I'm missing parts, I will bold the part you clearly missed.
There are enough things not adding up in this story to give me confidence in calling him an abuser without hearing the whole story from more than one side. I really wish y'all would stop pronouncing verdicts before knowing all the evidence. I know you won't. To do that is quite the thing to do on CC, but it's not right.
You also read her story as accurately as you read what I said -- not very.

But hey, keep going. I already said what I wanted to say.
 
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I will ask though....Marriage at 14?
As I read it, she was kicked out of her house at 14, so her "now husband," (which leads me to think he wasn't husband at that time), did what he could to get her an apartment to live in. It really does sound like he pushed her to sex before she wanted, but it doesn't say when that happened. Could have been 14, could have been a year or two later. We just don't know, but the numbers aren't adding up either.

my marriage began in a very unorthodox way with many red flags being visible now, 12 years down the line.
She's 25, so 12 years ago she was married? 13? Lots of little "huhs" in this.

I don't think she's lying. I really don't, but I also know I have a huge grudge against one of my husband's nurses from the other hospital. If I told you what I saw without telling you his side, I bet I could get you to want to beat that nurse up. However, if I tell you both sides of the story, knowing that what the nurse did caused serious pain to hubby, but it's necessary pain, you wouldn't want to beat him up.

That's the power of seeing more than one side to a story. It's also the problem we have when we only tell our side. Our side is the truth, but we either negate or dismiss the parts we would rather not tell that shows us in less-than-stellar light.
 
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Thank you for your breath of encouragement. I love the victory you spoke. I do want to help once I help my self.
Helping yourself got you in this sinking ship. (And, not for nothing, since I truly understand why you'd take this ship rather than face living on the street all alone. I would have done the same thing at any age, unless God yelled really loud to catch my attention when I'm in panic mode.) Might I suggest seeking God to help you get out? Honest, we truly stink at helping ourselves, but God is always perfect at fixing what we got ourselves into.
 
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There's no need to pronounce verdicts. I'm not pondering if he is/isn't an abuser. What I prayed for was some type of direction, to be or to not be a godly woman to an undeserving man. Whether you belive it or not, I was abstinent even more so, a virgin until after that night. I was too young and unlike this generation afraid to have a sex. He was and is still my only man, I was passed out on new years Eve. 3 months later i found out i was pregnant. And was born in October. You can do the math. Being my first son and referencing to my youth, it was not a circumstance I was familiar with therefore i was not aware of my pregnancy. It happens. In fact some people don't even know until they're on the delivery table. Is it a one sided story? Aren't they all? If my husband would explain himself we would be in therapy and not relying on the online body of Christ. Is my story full of regret as you say? Of course. There are things I'm at fault for and things that were out my control. Im not here for conviction or to play victim. i didn't mention my whole life story because i wasn't expecting to be judged upon it. I don't understand how that matters or why. I simply gave background information to get help discerning if my situation was Gods will for his glory and victory or a hindrance depriving me of glorifying Him.
Which is exactly why I asked people to stop rendering verdicts. You do need help, but I seriously don't recommend help online from strangers. Can you find help from a pastor? Someone you know and trust? Seems like you have very few people like that in your life, but since you were baptised, you found at least one person you trust.

Get help! Seriously, get help! This tends to end up being an "I know enough to tell you what to do" group, and you've already been burned before. I just don't want it to happen again. I mean, it will happen again, assuming you end up with plenty of life left to go. We all get burned, but you need someone to help you resolve these problems so you have the stability to learn how to deal with people who will take advantage of you, if you don't know how to stop it.

You're NOT a victim. You were targeted. You were targeted by your family and then by your now-husband. That happens as long as we have no idea how to stop it from happening, because there are that many jerks in the world. But if you get help, you learn what the jerks are looking for, so you can stop them from targeting you. I know this from experience, but I cannot help you from across the Internet. You need someone who can, someone you trust, someone you know. You need help. If you have no one you can trust, (which again is unlikely, because why would you get baptised by someone you don't trust? Surely "drowning" would come to anyone's mind. lol), then contact an abused woman's shelter.

Again, I don't know if you were abused by this guy (sounds more likely now that you told about how you knew it was which night -- sorry 'bout that. I assumed he had talked you into sex right after giving you a place to live), but whether you aren't or are, they can teach you how to not be so totally dependent on him. That will open the cage you're trapped in and make sure you don't instantly fly into another trap. Even if you never walk out, you are still much freer without being locked in.

And from there, seek God on if you should stay or go. What God tells you to do, may not be his typical answer. He did have Hosea marry a prostitute knowing she would break his heart by cheating on him. He did have David running away from King Saul for years. And he had Jonah go to the city of his biggest enemies to save them.

It may seem like a no-brainer to walk away, but sometimes God has us stay. He also gives us freedom in that. The freedom to know we're choosing his way, even if it is hard. That is the part I know he wants to give you.

The part I don't know is what God will tell you.
 
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Ariel82

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If you see a person in a burning house, would you tell them it MIGHT be God's will to stay?

God did ask some people to die as marytrs, but I don't believe He is asking this young lady to be one.

She and her child needs a safe place for her to heal and grow away from the abuse.

I agree that she needs support from people around her to heal and advise her. She needs prayers to keep her safe.

No she is not a victim, she is a survivor. Like a tree going through a drought who has been given Living water of God's word and love.

No one knows her situation except God. Putting her trust in people she meets in real life is just as tricky as putting her trust in online advice. Only person truly worth listening to is God.

For some reason God placed it in her heart to come here.

If I meet her in real life and she told me her story in church, I would tell her the same thing. I would add she could stay at my house and offer to take her to a women's shelter rep.

Before God came into my life, I would never have been brave enough to do either.

That whole "dont judge" "perhaps it's God's will" are lies.

If by some miracle God changes your husband's heart and makes him realise what a horrible person he has been. If he truly repents of abusing you and steps up to be the husband the Bible tells him he should be, then maybe you can make the marriage work.

However, at this point he needs a wake up call and you and your child need to be safe and grow in the Lord.

I strongly feel that you should leave, but ultimately it's your decision.

You have to decide is it safe to leave? Where will you go? What will you do if he gets violence? Do you have people you trust who will help keep you safe?

I don't know the,answers to any of those questions but I will pray with you.

Dear Heavenly Father, we lift up ours sisters in Christ. You know their situation better than any of us. We pray that You shine your light upon her life. Keep her safe mentally, spiritually and physically. Lord help her find answers to her questions. Dear God heal our hearts and minds so that we might better speak your Words and pour forth living water into the lives around us. Help us be brave and shine our light into this dark and list world so that all may,know your love and truth. Lord help us remember your many blessings and thank you for all the joy you have given us. Help us bring that joy into the lives of others. Lord we pray that we might know your will and always walk in your ways. Lord we pray you place people In her life she might speak with and trust. Surround her with your angels both earthly and heavenly. Touch her husband's heart and draw him to you Lord. For we know all things are possible through you. In Jesus holy name we pray, amen.
 
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If you see a person in a burning house, would you tell them it MIGHT be God's will to stay?

God did ask some people to die as marytrs, but I don't believe He is asking this young lady to be one.

She and her child needs a safe place for her to heal and grow away from the abuse.

I agree that she needs support from people around her to heal and advise her. She needs prayers to keep her safe.

No she is not a victim, she is a survivor. Like a tree going through a drought who has been given Living water of God's word and love.

No one knows her situation except God. Putting her trust in people she meets in real life is just as tricky as putting her trust in online advice. Only person truly worth listening to is God.

For some reason God placed it in her heart to come here.

If I meet her in real life and she told me her story in church, I would tell her the same thing. I would add she could stay at my house and offer to take her to a women's shelter rep.

Before God came into my life, I would never have been brave enough to do either.

That whole "dont judge" "perhaps it's God's will" are lies.

If by some miracle God changes your husband's heart and makes him realise what a horrible person he has been. If he truly repents of abusing you and steps up to be the husband the Bible tells him he should be, then maybe you can make the marriage work.

However, at this point he needs a wake up call and you and your child need to be safe and grow in the Lord.

I strongly feel that you should leave, but ultimately it's your decision.

You have to decide is it safe to leave? Where will you go? What will you do if he gets violence? Do you have people you trust who will help keep you safe?

I don't know the,answers to any of those questions but I will pray with you.

Dear Heavenly Father, we lift up ours sisters in Christ. You know their situation better than any of us. We pray that You shine your light upon her life. Keep her safe mentally, spiritually and physically. Lord help her find answers to her questions. Dear God heal our hearts and minds so that we might better speak your Words and pour forth living water into the lives around us. Help us be brave and shine our light into this dark and list world so that all may,know your love and truth. Lord help us remember your many blessings and thank you for all the joy you have given us. Help us bring that joy into the lives of others. Lord we pray that we might know your will and always walk in your ways. Lord we pray you place people In her life she might speak with and trust. Surround her with your angels both earthly and heavenly. Touch her husband's heart and draw him to you Lord. For we know all things are possible through you. In Jesus holy name we pray, amen.
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Judgement/verdict hedged with saintliness.

Dimples, this is an example of how a stranger can sound good, but more in an effort to sway to his/her side than to help. This is why it's tough getting help from strangers.

And, yes. I include myself in that. Exactly why I beg you to get help from someone you know and trust. Not we strangers. If nothing else, we aren't in Chicago to pull you out of a building, but God is there and knows if your building is burning. We don't know how your story continues. God does, and better yet, it IS for your good and his glory. So trust him to be your navigator. Seek his word for your answer. After all, David ran from Saul on God's advice. So staying and going are covered. We simply don't know which God has for you, and I think you need help from someone you already know who lives near you and will help you to seek those answers.

It's just too easy to give advice online and walk away pleased with ourselves. You don't need that. You need God's long-term answers. He gives them when we seek. That I can promise.
 

notuptome

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Thats my nationality. Not my culture. I live in Illinois. Like i said my mother wanted to avoid legalities. Why? She let a man kick her daughter out at a defenseless age and knew another man was doing her the favor of "caring" for her. She could've easily went to jail. Trust me, my life story sounds crazy, even to me. Yet i couldn't begin to make this up.
The additional information was not in your profile. I was only attempting to give you the benefit of the doubt in the matter. Your mom certainly avoided her responsibilities and really would have incurred the legalities by doing what she did.

The real issue is what are you going to do? If the situation is unsafe and or unhealthy then you have an obligation to yourself to take whatever steps are necessary or available to improve your situation.

God is not the author of confusion. God does things decently and in order. There are institutions and organizations that provide a wide array of services public and private to aid those who have needs such as yours. Motivate yourself to seek professional help and pray that God will guide your steps.

There are no simple absolute answers to your situation. You are unique and God has a unique plan for you. Your inquiries here are but a small part of how God is going to lead and guide you. Trust the Lord to order your steps. You will know when you see the right thing to do from the Lord. Trust Him.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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mrdesire

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Good morning saints, my marriage began in a very unorthodox way with many red flags being visible now, 12 years down the line. I was 14, he was older when we began a friendship but one day someone told my step dad they saw is kissing and he kicked me out. My now husband felt bad and decided to get an apartment so I wouldn't be on the streets. My mom wanted to avoid legal problems and wanted me to consider marrying him. But I knew it wasn't right.

Once we began a life together he would pressure me for sex, always angry with me and to some extent they're was physical violence. Our puppy love died quickly. I went through a series of problems, suicidal episodes, I was alone, I had been molested by a family member a couple years before this and never had dealt with the pain of not being believed and now, living with an older guy and in a stressful relationship.
A year later I was passed out drunk at my then boyfriends parents house. A few months later I found out I was pregnant and he pressured an abortion against my will. God saved my son, it was too far along to do it. Never did it dwell on me that he took advantage of me. Until now.
When we married he wanted me to do it just to show that I would never cheat on him. We got married in a drive thru in las Vegas. God was not present in our lives. With time I've dealt with disrespect, constant belittling, control, lack of moral, parenting, individual, religious support.

I gave my life to Christ last year with out his support. In fact, he disconnected a car part so I could miss my baptism classes. I decided to do as GOD asked of me, be obedient, respect him, all in all he called me to be the change.

I went through a 21 day fast and had my husband in prayer but now I'm the one losing encouragement. Although he's undeserving I chose to love him, respect him, give him his place but at this point I'm wondering if the enemy has been messing with me. I've always adviced others, if your doing something in God's name yet it's not bringing you peace, there's a problem.

That's my problem! I've felt that this relationship has been a spiritual attack all along. I've had no peace these last 12 years. I've had to walk on egg shells, work around his controlling narcissistic personality, be prepared to disappoint him, knowing what I do/don't do he'll make me feel some type of way about. He does not want to take parenting serious, only to discipline. He wants everyone to be in constant cleaning yet he never does anything. He makes me feel unworthy for everything except sex. Our values are so different, and he's constantly keeping me away from serving God, my family even my growing. He stunts my growth as a woman, mom and servant. Im battling between being obedient and realizing when too much is too much.He reminds me of an enemy, constantly persecuting me, making me question and doubt myself, disrespecting God.

Now I'm wondering what can it be God wants from this? I'm trying really hard but I'm becoming over welmed. Any word of encouragement is a blessing. Thank you in advance.
You've been tossed around like a rag doll, I guess it's fair if you feel like punching life. I punched life last night and fell asleep drunk, only to wake up and realise I can't get rid of life.

I'm stuck with life for life, ROTFL
 
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mrdesire

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You've been tossed around like a rag doll, I guess it's fair if you feel like punching life. I punched life last night and fell asleep drunk, only to wake up and realise I can't get rid of life.

I'm stuck with life for life, ROTFL
Oh and pizza makes up with everything.
 
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Ariel82

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Mr.desire...your profile says you aren't Christian so I will put you in my prayers. However, your comments on this thread are not helpful.

Just want to say. To some giving advice and walking away is easy.

For me it weighs in my heart and I feel moved daily to pray for all people God has blessed me to meet in this life.

So I can give you ten thousands suggestions, but the only thing of true value that I can offer is my prayers and heartfelt hope that you allow God to lead you and comfort you. May he surround you with His love and hope. God bless and keep you.
 
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ggs7

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1Co 7:13 And the woman who has a husband who does not believe, if he is pleased to dwell with her, do not let her leave him.
1Co 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; else your children would be unclean, but now they are holy.
1Co 7:15 But if the unbelieving one separates, let him be separated. A brother or a sister is not in bondage in such cases, but God has called us in peace.
1Co 7:16 For what do you know, O wife, whether you shall save your husband? Or what do you know, O man, whether you shall save your wife?

1Pe 3:1 Likewise, wives, be in subjection to your own husbands, so that if any do not obey the Word, they may also be won without the Word by the conduct of the wives,
1Pe 3:2 having witnessed your chaste behavior in the fear of God.
1Pe 3:3 Of whom let not be the adorning of garments, or outward braiding of hair and wearing of gold, or of putting on clothing,
1Pe 3:4 but let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, the meek and quiet spirit, which is of great price in the sight of God.

Don't give up , keep reading the Bible and praying.
God Bless you
 
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AuntieAnt

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She was married at 14...in case you missed that part. Them mentally and emotionally abused and rape for 12 years.
You are in my prayers...

Here are some resources if you need them...
DHS: Domestic Violence Agencies by City

Toll free hotline for Illinois

1(877)863-6338
1(877)TO END DV
Nobody can serve two masters. You can't serve God and serve that abusive man. And as for him being a husband, that doesn't line up with truth. A husband cares for his wife and lifts her up, protects her, loves her, meets her needs. Just because you & he were at a Vegas drive-thru & they handed you a certificate does not make it a legitimate marriage in the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God is within, it's spiritual & eternal. That man didn't make a valid promise before God to love, honor & cherish you. He's nothing but an abuser.

So many people want to make it a religious legalistic issue and put a burden on you to carry a cross that Jesus already carried for you. The battle is over. There's no victory in remaining in a battle that's already over. Walk forward with the Lord. Leave that man in God's hands. That man is breaking the law by violating you. No judge in this nation would see it any other way.

Take Ariel's wise advice and protect your child and contact a Domestic Violence Center.
 
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AuntieAnt

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So many Christians (men & women both) stay in an abusive marriage because it's easier to accept defeat and play the martyr than to lose all & follow Christ. We're afraid of having to start over... afraid of being alone... afraid of change... afraid of looking like a failure... afraid what people think... afraid we're breaking a religious law... etc.

But instead of trusting God, we put all our trust in our abusive partner changing! Rather than let go of our abusive partner, we will hang onto them and demand they change. We will go on & on to everybody about all the horrible abuse we endure but we do nothing about it except complain. We make the abuse the center of our life! We'll even use it to make ourselves feel better because it's more "godly" to be the victim than to be the abuser. I know. My counselor called me out on this many years ago. She said, "If you don't make changes in your own life, don't come back here!"

That cut me to the heart because she was right! I was afraid to make changes. It was the best advice she could have given me. So I let go of my abuser, trusted God and moved out.

I can assure you, God does not fail us. He will restore your life because He is faithful. He cannot be anything BUT faithful because it is His very nature.
 
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Ok....a couple of thoughts...... I have been there. In a marriage, with children, and wanting it to work, but also wanting to keep the kids safe etc. Its very emotionally/mentally draining and overwhelming.
BUT, now that I am on the other side of it (for the most part) the advice I would have given my younger self is to remove myself from the situation PENDING a change of circumstances/behaviors.

It was so important for me to uphold my marriage vows, as well as make sure my children were safe that I could not see the forest before the trees. I was definitely going through circles with my thoughts.
I am in a MUCH different place now with my thoughts. My faith has never been stronger or a bigger part of my life. That is not to say that things are easy by any stretch.

The title of your thread is also something I wanted to speak on. Its tough to dicern what the will of God is in some situations. Scripture does tell us that he works ALL things together for the good of those who love Him. That tells me that even when we screw up, or bad circumstances plague us....if we hand it over to Him, He can produce some wonderful growth and circumstances out of it.

I am currently facing that in my own life now with a couple of situations. One that has been heartbreaking and devistating to my family, and one that came in out of the blue as such a blessing and breath of fresh air.....to only be gone as suddenly as it came.
I am unsure what the will of God is in either situation. But one story from the bible that has been coming into my mind over and over again is the the story of Abraham and Issaac. God was never going to allow Abraham to kill Issaac.....He wanted to know how far the faithfulness of Abraham would go. What are you willing to give up to serve me? To place me first? No matter how crazy or painful it may be?

The first sceniero I laid out about my family is a touchy one....the jury is still out on how to sort that out as I move forward each day in it.

The second sceniero is the one where I think the story of Abraham keeps coming into my thoughts. I felt so much peace when the circumstances were in my favor...and things were in the 'blessing' stage......but when things went the other direction, I have not felt any peace....only confusion. I have found that I am having to give it to God so many times a day so that He can have His will in the circumstances. Because that is truly my heart! I tried to meddle with it myself a bit....but thankfully got my thoughts about me realized that I was not laying it at the foot of the cross and focusing on "Be still and KNOW that I am God" as I should.

For you, you have to think about the mental and physical safety for you and your son. God has entrusted you with him, so you have to make that a priority. If your husband is not acting as the proper head of your home, that puts you in that position to make some pretty huge decisions. Tough and scary decisions. None of us like uncertainty. But it sounds like from day to day now that you do not have certainty with what may or may not happen, so you have nothing to lose and everything to gain by placing you and him in a postion of safety until you can sort things out further and carve out a better future for yourself.
This is a very overwhelming situation, but thank goodness that God is not limited by anything...including the overwhelming.

blessings to you!! His will be done in your life and that of the rest of your famliy.