Can a drug addict be a christian?

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JennaLeanne

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pfft! :)

i have a chronic pain condition, and took methadone for ten years. (didn't have insurance and it's the cheapest narcotic pain drug available)

one day i woke up and said, ya know? i don't want this stuff anymore. (was this the Lord? maybe!)
so i quit it. were there unpleasant side effects to stopping? sure. withdrawal is tough.
but although i still had the stuff in the house, i wasn't tempted to take it.
it was only a physiological addiction, after all, and God kept me through the trauma of withdrawal.

you're right! God had me, and He is very big! :)

So great to hear that God delivered you from methodone.. He can do all things.Every individual is different though.. I think for somebody who has had a heroine addiction and then is put on methodone it's a little bit different... God works with us all individually, his character always stays the same though.. He is all merciful, forever forgiving, always ready for us to come to him. I will say it over and over he has done everything already for us to come into relationship with him... It's our choice if we seek him fully or not.. What he has done for one he will surely do for another. :) Bless you xx
 
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psychomom

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So great to hear that God delivered you from methodone.. He can do all things.Every individual is different though.. I think for somebody who has had a heroine addiction and then is put on methodone it's a little bit different... God works with us all individually, his character always stays the same though.. He is all merciful, forever forgiving, always ready for us to come to him. I will say it over and over he has done everything already for us to come into relationship with him... It's our choice if we seek him fully or not.. What he has done for one he will surely do for another. :) Bless you xx
thanks for your kind words... :)

you may very well be correct in the heroin addiction biz... idk. i never took it to get high; it was merely prescribed as a pain management treatment. i've read since methadone has a longer half life, the withdrawal is longer, yet that very fact also makes it an easier withdrawal.

and sure! everyone is different. i don't deal with every one of my kids the same because they're totally different people.

i don't know if it was a deliverance, per se. i only know God was with me, and for me. :)
 
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So great to hear that God delivered you from methodone.. He can do all things.Every individual is different though.. I think for somebody who has had a heroine addiction and then is put on methodone it's a little bit different... God works with us all individually, his character always stays the same though.. He is all merciful, forever forgiving, always ready for us to come to him. I will say it over and over he has done everything already for us to come into relationship with him... It's our choice if we seek him fully or not.. What he has done for one he will surely do for another. :) Bless you xx
19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. (John 3.)

This is Man's choice each and every time!

THIS is God's choice sometimes. It IS "clearly seen."
21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.

 

Demi777

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Can you be addicted and christian..yes but as long as you dont stop you cannot feel as many blessings of God as you should and could. God bless you
 
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psychomom

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19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. (John 3.)

This is Man's choice each and every time!

THIS is God's choice sometimes. It IS "clearly seen."
21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.


lol! keep preaching it.... i came to understand election on these very boards. :)
 
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Can you be addicted and christian..yes but as long as you dont stop you cannot feel as many blessings of God as you should and could. God bless you
Now you tell me? Doh!


Where were you in 1974 when I started getting high all the time!


Seriously! That's brilliant! Use that on any friend you have that happens to be as stupid as I was, (and might still be, but to a less degree over the years... and all because of God. Certainly not on me.)
 
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WarriorForChrist

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Can you be addicted and christian..yes but as long as you dont stop you cannot feel as many blessings of God as you should and could. God bless you
A line of bull here. You are saying someone can continue in Adultery because they are addicted to sex and make it to heaven? If someone continues in sin without remorse for it and feels no conviction I say they were never saved in the first place.
 

Demi777

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A line of bull here. You are saying someone can continue in Adultery because they are addicted to sex and make it to heaven? If someone continues in sin without remorse for it and feels no conviction I say they were never saved in the first place.
Theres a difference between a abomination or a simple sin. Besides thanks very much for proving that Respect is at 0 on here often. God bless you I hope you get your lips guarded better in the future..or your fingers..thoughts..
 

Demi777

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Now you tell me? Doh!


Where were you in 1974 when I started getting high all the time!


Seriously! That's brilliant! Use that on any friend you have that happens to be as stupid as I was, (and might still be, but to a less degree over the years... and all because of God. Certainly not on me.)
lol!! I wasnt even born then. huuugs!
 

hoss2576

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on another note.... hoss? you okay?

someone you know need prayer?
I appreciate the concern, but no, I am good. This was a question simply based on stuff I was reading in other threads about who could and couldn't be a christian. I am someone who tries to have better understanding, and the only way to do it in this situation is to ask questions.

I will be honest though, if I was a baby christian, I think this thread would scare the heck out of me. It use to be mature believers would tell baby christians and unbelievers that all they had to do was believe that Christ was the son of God, He died on the cross, rose from the dead. And we are saved by grace through faith in Christ, and they would be saved and spend eternity in Heaven. This I can find scripture for. Now we are talking about well, wait, God will know, and no if you're an addict you can't be saved or yes if you are an addict you can be saved if you are trying to quit. Or if your a long term addict you can't be saved because a christian would be delivered.

I'm not saying I have an answer, just that I would hate to be somebody struggling early in their walk trying to feel secure in my Savior while hearing all these interpretations.
 
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psychomom

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I appreciate the concern, but no, I am good. This was a question simply based on stuff I was reading in other threads about who could and couldn't be a christian. I am someone who tries to have better understanding, and the only way to do it in this situation is to ask questions.

I will be honest though, if I was a baby christian, I think this thread would scare the heck out of me. It use to be mature believers would tell baby christians and unbelievers that all they had to do was believe that Christ was the son of God, He died on the cross, rose from the dead. And we are saved by grace through faith in Christ, and they would be saved and spend eternity in Heaven. This I can find scripture for. Now we are talking about well, wait, God will know, and no if you're an addict you can't be saved or yes if you are an addict you can be saved if you are trying to quit. Or if your a long term addict you can't be saved because a christian would be delivered.

I'm not saying I have an answer, just that I would hate to be somebody struggling early in their walk trying to feel secure in my Savior while hearing all these interpretations.

yeah, it would frighten me, too. as if we get to say who may or may not belong to the Lord.

we had a very wise pastor who used to say, God has all kinds of kids. and every one of them IS His child.
simply by the merits of Christ alone. :)
 

Demi777

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A line of bull here. You are saying someone can continue in Adultery because they are addicted to sex and make it to heaven? If someone continues in sin without remorse for it and feels no conviction I say they were never saved in the first place.
Oh and before I forget.. Jesus is the Judge and not you.
 
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A line of bull here. You are saying someone can continue in Adultery because they are addicted to sex and make it to heaven? If someone continues in sin without remorse for it and feels no conviction I say they were never saved in the first place.
A. Who says there is no remorse?

B. Since when is remorse the path to heaven? I thought that was Jesus.
 
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JustWhoIAm

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I can't speak for anyone else, but personal experience tells me that we're not going to be *BAM* all better all of a sudden when we make a decision to let Jesus in. It takes time for us to be molded under the potter's hands. Many of the faithful, those who love the Lord dearly, still have a lot of issues to deal with.

What's important is that we are willing to submit to the potter, that we have an honest love for our Father, that we want to be servants in his kingdom and, yes, his friends.
 

JennaLeanne

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yeah, it would frighten me, too. as if we get to say who may or may not belong to the Lord.

we had a very wise pastor who used to say, God has all kinds of kids. and every one of them IS His child.
simply by the merits of Christ alone. :)

Amen. Love this xxxx
 

Angela53510

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Like Ellie, I suffer from chronic and debilitating pain. In the past, I was able to easily get off these meds when I found drugs to treat the RA. Well, that is not happening, and my rheumatologist gives me little hope the RA drugs will ever stop the pain. So I take prednisone (very addictive!) and pain meds. I know I could get off of them tomorrow, if I could stop the pain.

But I have never thought that my condition, which requires addictive drugs to control the pain, makes me a drug addict, and that I am not saved. In fact, the drugs make me able to function and interact with life. They allow me to study Greek, and to minister to people God brings my way. And I hope to start in long term care doing chaplain work, again, after Greek is finished. I am also helping out in my local church in many ways.

I read my Bible and pray daily. I love Jesus. What more can I say? I feel no condemnation from God for having to take meds, but a lot of comfort from Him for coping with all I do every day. God knows and understands what I am going through.

So maybe being a person with chronic pain addicted to drugs to help me cope, with no high at all, is different than a street druggie? I just think that salvation is about believing in Christ and following him. Can a junkie do that? I don't know, as I have never been a junkie. But I do hope that God will minister to those who have known Christ and taken a wrong turn, so that they willl turn away from their addiction and back to Jesus.
 
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I know that there is scripture as to holding each other "accountable" but it really aggravates me when we judge so much that we decide if they be true Chrisitans for i simply leave that in the Father's hands for even if it be say a viper or false prophet or even wolf in sheeps clothing how does that change MY WALK with the Lord for He even spoke with Satan and the fallen ones...perhaps that is it! When we run across these "types" a Satan get thee behind me might do the trick not only for me but hopefully for them as well! Otherwise Lord Jesus let me continue to be no respector of persons treating everyone as You, spreading the gospel, praising You and the Father in heaven, and being forever led by the Holy Spirit which good Lord says abides in us forever! So to answer your ? i cannot see into another's heart but i will remain hopeful and always praying. :)
 
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bikerchaz

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Really the thread title says it all, but I will expand a little just to ask this; can someone actively in the midst of drug addiction, not recovery, be a christian? If no, why not? If yes, how is that reconciled?
So the difference is the recognition that it is wrong and a desire to stop doing it even though the person struggles with the issue (whether it be drugs, sex, idolatry)?
I appreciate the concern, but no, I am good. This was a question simply based on stuff I was reading in other threads about who could and couldn't be a christian. I am someone who tries to have better understanding, and the only way to do it in this situation is to ask questions.

I will be honest though, if I was a baby christian, I think this thread would scare the heck out of me. It use to be mature believers would tell baby christians and unbelievers that all they had to do was believe that Christ was the son of God, He died on the cross, rose from the dead. And we are saved by grace through faith in Christ, and they would be saved and spend eternity in Heaven. This I can find scripture for. Now we are talking about well, wait, God will know, and no if you're an addict you can't be saved or yes if you are an addict you can be saved if you are trying to quit. Or if your a long term addict you can't be saved because a christian would be delivered.

I'm not saying I have an answer, just that I would hate to be somebody struggling early in their walk trying to feel secure in my Savior while hearing all these interpretations.
[SUP]I agree with your last posting here, young Christians are most vulnerable to interference from those who would pervert the true way of Christ, and as such showing them Christ as first and last in all things should keep them safe. As has also been said within this thread sometimes things go awry and God has to leave his 99 and come looking for the one, Bless Him.

I spent a few years in the turmoil of addiction, and the harm it does, if not to you to those around you. I think that I used it to try and force God's hand, I knew He existed, but could not find Him, so in my own perverted way I used my behaviour to force Him to do something, to show himself to me. It sort of worked LOL (laughing with tongue in cheek) but certainly not the way I intended.

There is also a train of thought that has been shown on this thread that we should leave these kind of people alone and have nothing to do with them, or once saved we meet only with those we know to be saved. The Holy Spirit has led me otherwise, or how else do we witness what God has done in our lives and how else can we show the Love Christ has for them unless we keep meeting with the friends we had to bring the "Light of God" into the darkness of those lives.


5 [/SUP]This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. [SUP]6 [/SUP]If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all[SUP][b][/SUP] sin.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. [SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. [SUP]10 [/SUP]If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

Meeting with what we call our 'former friends' is not walking in darkness, it is placing your light on a table giving light to the room, showing a 'better way' if they don't want anything to do with you that is their choice. I can hear people saying "OH we must be careful not to fall back into the ways of evil again". Yes OK but who has the power here, us or God, is it not written;
Isaiah 52:7
How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of those who bring good news, who proclaim peace, who bring good tidings, who proclaim salvation, who say to Zion, “Your God reigns!” And Paul repeats this in Romans 10 v 15.

I would like to add this, if we know of anyone in this situation of being addicted to things that they would have to go into the darkness to obtain (and this is where the concern is for me), tell them to take the light with them. They obviously have concerns about their usage, OK let them give thanks to God for it (does that sound blasphemous to you? are you addicted?).

We are told "In all things give thanks to God", this is no different. As they hand over the money and say thanks, also within the hearing of those selling give thanks to God for what He has provided, just say "Thank you Jesus" out loud so they can hear, and as a Christian with problems always be prepared to give an explanation of your faith, because it will happen, and in doing so your light will shine in a very dark place.

Or else what will happen is they will free up the Holy Spirit within them to convict them and completely bring them out of that addiction. Our God is an awesome God, He reigns in heaven and earth, in our lives and in the kingdoms of men, whether they admit it or not. and I, we, whoever is addicted can do all through Him who died for us.
 

posthuman

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when the prodigal son was squandering his inheritance and working in a pig farm, sharing pigs meals, did he cease to be a son of his father -- was he ever a pig, and not a son?

when he returned home, his father described him as having been 'dead' abut now living again -- not as having become a pig, and now a man once more.
 

JennaLeanne

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Do we pick out addiction as an illness and magnify it as more of an issue than say gossip or jealousy? The word "addict" has some kinda stigma attached to it that angers me.... If we can say somebody hooked on heroin is less of a Christian than a person who lusts after another man/woman or a person that refuses to give to the needy... have u ever walked past a homeless person and ignored him.. is that christ like? Each and every single one of us needs jesus. Non more than the other... All have sinned and fallen short... Instead of calling each other addicts (in some way we all are) we should just see that very thing we are addicted to as a deep desire for love.... That's all it is... strip it away outwardly... Drink drugs sex money image food gossip attention seeking whatever it is.. The void in our hearts looks exactly the same.. We just manifest it differently... We are all one xxxxxxx