Can a drug addict be a christian?

[Depleted]

If Jesus isn't truth, If the resurrection isn't truth.. If writing in the sand isn't truth.. If saying father forgive them for they know not what they do isn't truth if come to me all you who labour isn't truth.. then yes.... I have it all wrong.

IF this is truth

And to not see people as disposable because they don't change the minute they are told they are living in error... We are to speak the truth.. Truth is so misinterpreted though.. The truth is love... The truth is Jesus... The truth is the Gospel, the resurrection... Not u are a sinner.. your on drugs your going to hell. Man I hate preaching that preaches truth when there is no "truth" in it.. Just a bunch of self righteous people that think they know it all...

then you're saying we can all be self-righteous know-it-alls because we're granted some special privilege that sets us above all others. BUT that's not what you're saying. You're saying you alone know who the self-righteous are, therefore you are free to hate them.

And you're doing it again. Instead of facing that you got something wrong, you simply presented me with two truths and one maybe as truth (the maybe is the writing in the sand -- it's only a maybe because it depends on who is doing the writing and what he/she writes lol) to prove you know all truth. You know some truth. Don't we all? If we don't listen, we'll never sort out what "truth" we have that simply isn't truth.

Patience is having the heart to hear that, and dagnabit, neither one of us has that much patience!!!

 

[JennaLeanne]

This is a fabulous link. Next time, though, copy and paste some of it, and maybe explain what it is about, to get more people to read it.

I used to make silver jewelry before I was saved. Even once you have a refined piece of silver, you have to go on refining to make a piece of jewellery. There are 7 or 8 more processes the silver has to go through, including shaping with pliers and perhaps a mandrel or anvil. Then more high heat (2000 F) to solder. Then an acid bath to clean the pesky dross again. Then filing, hammering, more shaping. Then several types of buffing, then an ammonia bath, and more polishing!

Even then, when you have a perfect piece of silver jewellery, the process of cleaning never ends. Sulfur tarnishes silver, turning it black, or tarnishing it. So it has to be polished again. It is interesting that suffer tarnishes, since that is the proverbial image of hell. Even if it is not Biblical!

Anyway, the point of this metaphor is that God is refining us and transforming us. And that means going through a lot of things to change us and mold us into the image if Christ! In fact, I would worry if you weren't suffering terrible trials and tribulations, at least periodically! Remembering to praise God in a trial really helps, and sometimes Christian fellowship eases the pain of the refining process! Certainly, God does minister to us!

So beautiful Amen. Thanks for this

 

[JennaLeanne]

IF this is truth

then you're saying we can all be self-righteous know-it-alls because we're granted some special privilege that sets us above all others. BUT that's not what you're saying. You're saying you alone know who the self-righteous are, therefore you are free to hate them.

And you're doing it again. Instead of facing that you got something wrong, you simply presented me with two truths and one maybe as truth (the maybe is the writing in the sand -- it's only a maybe because it depends on who is doing the writing and what he/she writes lol) to prove you know all truth. You know some truth. Don't we all? If we don't listen, we'll never sort out what "truth" we have that simply isn't truth.

Patience is having the heart to hear that, and dagnabit, neither one of us has that much patience!!!

If you read back on my posts u will see that I have directed nothing at any individual... I'm here only to share the Jesus I know... I'm not sure how anybody can pick anything negative from what I've said.. I will read back though and ask God to show me if there is any error in what I have said. xxx

 

[JustWhoIAm]

Jesus demonstrated perfect balance between loving someone by nurturing them and loving someone by telling them the truth about their sin, even when he was writing in the dirt.

John 8:1-11 - Note his final word on the subject after he got done chastising her accusers - "Go and sin no more."

Both are an expression of love.

 

[Mitspa]

Really the thread title says it all, but I will expand a little just to ask this; can someone actively in the midst of drug addiction, not recovery, be a christian? If no, why not? If yes, how is that reconciled?

The very confession of addiction ..implies a desire to be set free and honesty ... a place where God grace can work. But to rebel against God in sin and deny the truth is to deny Christ in deed... A drug addict should never cloak their sin with the title of Christ in some way to approve that sin... This principal (or law of the Spirit) is really very simple "God resist the proud but gives grace to the humble"

 

[Mitspa]

I don't think we should ignore the power of the words we speak... proverbs 18:21. Life and death are in the power of the tongue... Neither did I say u shouldn't say where ur at or what u struggle with... in fact my post u quoted speaks the opposite...

The manifestation of the addiction isn't the issue is it... What do we define addiction as ? The need for comfort.. fulfilment? That was my point.. I was smoking cigarettes at 11.. drinking and takin ecstasy at 12/13 smoking crack by the time I was 14.. Sleeping with loads of men.. stealing. . And the list goes on. I can't just say I'm addicted to one of those things as they were all an issue.. But the real issue wasn't drugs drink or sex was it? The void that was missing was the relationship with my father... Do I still struggle now? Yes all the time.. I don't call myself an addict though, I refuse to... It's not who I am.. Xxx

The only real cure for a drug addict is not mans religion ...its to get high and stay high on the Holy Spirit. No high, like the Most High.

 

[JustWhoIAm]

The only real cure for a SIN addict is a walk with God in his truth.

 

[Depleted]

In the light of the gospel you aren't.. Your a born again child of the most high God... Yes you have struggles we all do but you are not an addict.. The old has passed away.. All things become new... Our identity is only found in Christ.. That should be the only label we attach to us.. Please don't see that I'm trying to cause contention here.. If u listen to what I say in your heart u will see I only want to spread love xxxx

To me, this is like saying I am no longer a sinner. And yet, I know I still sin. I simply don't get why I'm not supposed to call myself what I am.

I'm also not supposed to call myself disabled, because that seems to be something that defines me. Instead, I'm supposed to be a person with a disability. Well I am a person. I'm also disabled. I'm also brown-eyed, but I'm not a person with brown eyes. Well, I am, but it's just much easier to call me brown-eyed then go through all the rest.

I am God's daughter. He gave me new life. But the old life isn't dumped completely yet.

Does brown-eyed, disabled, addicted daughter of God work for you? It works for me, even knowing it gets better than this.

 

[coby2]

The only real cure for a drug addict is not mans religion ...its to get high and stay high on the Holy Spirit. No high, like the Most High.

One guy with the Brownsville revival who had been on harddrug said: if I knew there was this I'd never have taken it.

 

[MsSuzanna]

One guy with the Brownsville revival who had been on harddrug said: if I knew there was this I'd never have taken it.

Amen to that! I have a testimony that would agree with him. Theres no high that any drug or alcohol related high can bring to compare to the peaceful, joyous breath of fresh air "high" the Holy Spirit gives.No hang overs either lol

 

[OnlyaVessel]

The bible says whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved... So to me that covers everyone..so I would say Yes..

 

[downtime]

I don't think its possible for anything worldly like an addiction to be more powerful than the blood of the Lamb. Every person has their sins, but not all have Christ in their lives.

 

[Mitspa]

The bible says whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved... So to me that covers everyone..so I would say Yes..

Its also written not everyone that says to Me "Lord... Lord are really His sheep...

 

[JennaLeanne]

The only real cure for a drug addict is not mans religion ...its to get high and stay high on the Holy Spirit. No high, like the Most High.

Yes Amen. I totally agree

 

[Bigbruce]

Let's define a christian; some one that fallows the teaching of christ.
Some addicted to lets say crack is commiting witchcraft and or sorcery. Stop! Your opinion means nothing. WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY.

Galatians 5:19-21 1769 version kjb
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry,

witchcraft,

Transliteration: pharmakeia
Part(s) of speech: Noun Feminine

Strong's Definition: From G5332; medication (" pharmacy" ), that is, (by extension) magic (literal or figurative): - sorcery, witchcraft


hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Getting high is exactly the same as casting a magic spell on yourself.
Just ask a druid or wica they brag about fooling people into witchcraft.

Second reference to gal 5:20 witchcraft
Transliteration: pharmakeia

Phonetic: far-mak-i'-ah

Thayer Definition:

the use or the administering of drugs
poisoning
sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
metaphorically the deceptions and seductions of idolatry
Revelation 21:8 sorcerers means
Spell giving potion.

So the bible says in 2 places drugs can damn you. Read those verses to that back sliden christian. And help them pray for them fast. Rebuke the spirit of witchcraft in the name of Jesus.

( I can already here the once saved always saved crowd put on there little pink westling panties ready wrestle these scripture to there own distruction. )

 

[RBA238]

Jesus tells us plainly, Our Body's are The Temple of God. Alcohol, and anything else that will slowly kill or impart you eventually is a No-No.

 

[Mitspa]

Jesus tells us plainly, Our Body's are The Temple of God. Alcohol, and anything else that will slowly kill or impart you eventually is a No-No.

Actally it was Paul that taught us this truth and it was not about eating or drinking anything, it was about sexual sins against the body . Paul taught in very clear terms that eating or drinking has absolutely nothing to do with godliness ...in fact he calls those sorts of doctrines false teaching.

 

[JonJon]

There is much to be said for surrender, whether or not the addict is saved, and whether or not he/she seeks redemption. God is just to forgive. but one sin keeps "anyone" out of eternal life, blasphemy. I was saved in 1999 in prison. When I paroled I met my wife and for 13 years I was happily married, life was good. My wife Diane was murdered Christmas morning 5 years ago and I could not drink enough to drown, or use enough to overdose. I firmly believe one cannot lose salvation, God does not lie, and I was of no good service. After 4 years I reached my last day, dying in an ally, full of drugs and drink, I completely gave myself back to the Lord. He honored my request to serve him, and I am living proof God can fix broken people. Like Paul, I was the worst of the worst. Jeremiah 33:3, call unto me and I will answer the and show the great and mighty things which thou knowest not. If one wants to be forgiven, upon ones knees is a great place to begin. God never gave up on me, and if you love someone enough you should not either. Better a humble sinner than a critical Christian. Hebrews 11:1, Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen. We cannot always see what God is doing, pray and pray some more, and never give up hope, ever. After all, Jesus did not "almost" die for us. If all people who are saved truly received what they deserve.... cast the first stone, amen.

 

[RBA238]

I Disagree with your statement in part. Alcohol consumption is Defiling the Holy Temple of God. Below my post is a man who got saved, his wife died and In his sorrow for her, he went to drugs and Alcohol. He asked for forgiveness, and God gave it to him in his Mercy. But doing those things is wrong, a sin, but Jesus forgives, as long as we are sincere in our asking for forgiveness. Sin is sin is sin, whether it is Sexual, or Indulging in Alcohol, Illicit drugs, and the list is endless.

Proverbs 20 verse 1 is just one of many verses that tells us strong drink and drinking wine is unwise. No doubt every person reading this will say, "Jesus, and his Apostles drank wine at the last Supper"....or..."Jesus made wine at the feast at Cana" and he did just that.

Wine in The Bible refers to Wine as in Proverbs 2o verse 1 as a "MOCKER, strong drink as raging, and whoever drinks it is not wise" This Fermented WINE. Grape juice is Unfermented geapes..non alcohol.

 

[JonJon]

Better a humble sinner than a critical Christian. I practiced addiction for close to 35 years, beyond the gates of death, knowing what I was doing. The Lord is a planner, not a reactor. I have the advantage of having sat inside looking out. Salvation is never withdrawn, that is between God and the individual. For those who have never endured drug addiction or alcoholism suffer from some form of the human condition, there are none righteous. I do not believe in "recovery," I was completely delivered from drugs and alcohol and many other things. That being said, we are drawn away by our own desires. Should serving the Lord be ones desire, there is not one among us who the Lord cannot use for His purposes. Transparency is a difficult walk as there are more than many with skeletons hanging hidden in the deepest parts of our spiritual closets. God will not be mocked or limited. But I do know this, obeying the Lord is second to none, and what we as Christian have is the blood of the lamb and the word of our testimony. If a man of God does not share what the Lord has done in his\her life, I would not judge whether or not they are saved, or attempt to decide if salvation is theirs, however, there are visual elements that are evident in a Christians walk and all I can do is view the comfort of complacency, and pray that the scales fall from their eyes. As true Christians we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers of the rulers of darkness, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places, against the rulers of the darkness of "this" age. If someone does not armor up, you will by no means be an effective soldier going into battle, God does not call the equipped, he equips the called, we are equipped to save those stumbling toward the slaughter, and not to be partial. Heaven has many vacancies and hell is never full. There are many of what I call armchair Christians, and there are none righteous. I enjoyed your non-biased view, and as far as the addict, never give up, pray for that person. We are lamps unto a fallen world, is a lamp not enough light to be a guide on a dark narrow path? enough of my two cents, I had to chime in. God bless the saints and the sinner!!!!!!