Forty years (or so) of feminism. Has it changed the way woman view themselves? Has...

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JosephsDreams

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...it changed the way men view woman?
Has it changed society?
For the better or worse, or about equally mixed?

I think it is a mixture.
I think Christian woman (and men) have benefited from the changes.
I think for many not grounded in the word and prayer, it has caused more harm then good.
I don't think woman are treated as in past respectfully just because they are woman, their gender, by men, but conversely, they are given more respect for their achievements and innate equality then before.
But I have seen that go the other way to, where some men just view a relationship with a woman as about the same as with a man, with the sex aspect being one of the few of the major differences.

I read a interesting article the other day about men's attitude toward woman and sex. Men now seem to be less willing to commit to relationships because, in part, woman are getting married much later on in life, and also because men find that more then ever they can have sex without any long term relationship entanglements or commitments. Also, it seems a lot of men are less inclined to want to marry woman who don't have a career or good job, but conversely, they are not comfortable when woman earn more then them, which is happening more and more.
Of course this is the non Christian view. But sadly, many younger, and even some older Christians view it the same way.

I personally have known woman who have told me that they have had one night stands to just assert their power over men.
I know woman who have told me that they don't want men helping them, they want to be independent, even if they are married. Far from a scientific poll or large group of woman, but enough for me to see, that In NYC anyway, a lot of woman under the age of 50 (I am generalizing about the age cutoff, as I am with just about all my statements here) woman have a vastly different perspective then my mother did, and even many of my peers, even though I am not much older then the oldest in that age group of woman who have that mindset.
 
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It changed the whole society. You have to work when you get a baby. If you're lucky your husband wants to work too.
You can do everything once you get kids, be pregnant, clean, cook, work, raise the kids until you're exhausted and it collapses.
 
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Some points of "feminism" are fine, but in my mind, they aren't really feminism, but rather common decency.

If I do the same job as a man and keep up or pass him, then I should earn the same pay. When my mom passed away, the company for which she worked had to hire 3 people (who were much younger and physically stronger than she) to do the job she did, and they still couldn't keep up.....should she have been paid less, simply because of gender?

My husband and I have three daughters. They all are strong, capable, ambitious women now. We didn't tell them they couldn't play certain games or with certain toys, just because they are girls.....of course until they were old enough to choose they wore more pink or purples than some, but once they developed their own tastes we went through camo clothes, ball caps, overalls, even coveralls for working on cars and machines, along with prom dresses, high heals and more hair ties than I ever knew existed with their wardrobes. We went to sporting events, ROTC events, ballet recitals, chorus and band concerts,.... and now our oldest works with the department of juvenile justice, one is a nurse and one is studying to design jets for the air force. They are women, not ragdolls. They like their nails as polished as their ammo and shoes. Are they less of women simply because they don't enjoy ALL the same things as their female friends? I doubt it.

If a mother is deemed unfit or dangerous, and courts give custody of children to the dad, then she should pay child support and go through the same phases as men. If a woman robs a liquor store or bank and gets caught; her punishment should be the same as a man's. Even Steven. That is just right. Of course this world is corrupt and will be until Christ returns.

Other parts of feminism are just silly...in my opinion. I like being treated special by my husband, it makes me feel loved sometimes. And in return, I do things I hope make him feel special and loved. Heck, I'd do them anyways, and I am sure he would too, even if the other didn't do them in return, but it's easier to do loving things for someone we are sure loves us in return. (yeah I'm lazy like that and like it easy)

God doesn't look at women as inferior or less than men. Why do people? Regardless of some "movement".....God hangs my pictures on his refrigerator and calls me "His masterfully created child", and that makes me perfect in him, and if anyone else thinks I am less.....then I can show them how they are an artfully, masterfully created child of God's as well. Then they won't feel the need to be mean to me, out of jealousy or pride, because we are the same. People.

Personally, if EVERYONE followed the Great commandments: Love God first with all we are, love our neighbor as ourselves, and do unto others as we wish they would do to/for us:......then we wouldn't need labels for everything. Feminism would be a non-issue, because we would ALL be treated the way God intended for us to be treated......as HIS CHILD. (the world according to NewWine :p)
Peace!!
 

JosephsDreams

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Some points of "feminism" are fine, but in my mind, they aren't really feminism, but rather common decency.

If I do the same job as a man and keep up or pass him, then I should earn the same pay. When my mom passed away, the company for which she worked had to hire 3 people (who were much younger and physically stronger than she) to do the job she did, and they still couldn't keep up.....should she have been paid less, simply because of gender?

My husband and I have three daughters. They all are strong, capable, ambitious women now. We didn't tell them they couldn't play certain games or with certain toys, just because they are girls.....of course until they were old enough to choose they wore more pink or purples than some, but once they developed their own tastes we went through camo clothes, ball caps, overalls, even coveralls for working on cars and machines, along with prom dresses, high heals and more hair ties than I ever knew existed with their wardrobes. We went to sporting events, ROTC events, ballet recitals, chorus and band concerts,.... and now our oldest works with the department of juvenile justice, one is a nurse and one is studying to design jets for the air force. They are women, not ragdolls. They like their nails as polished as their ammo and shoes. Are they less of women simply because they don't enjoy ALL the same things as their female friends? I doubt it.

If a mother is deemed unfit or dangerous, and courts give custody of children to the dad, then she should pay child support and go through the same phases as men. If a woman robs a liquor store or bank and gets caught; her punishment should be the same as a man's. Even Steven. That is just right. Of course this world is corrupt and will be until Christ returns.

Other parts of feminism are just silly...in my opinion. I like being treated special by my husband, it makes me feel loved sometimes. And in return, I do things I hope make him feel special and loved. Heck, I'd do them anyways, and I am sure he would too, even if the other didn't do them in return, but it's easier to do loving things for someone we are sure loves us in return. (yeah I'm lazy like that and like it easy)

God doesn't look at women as inferior or less than men. Why do people? Regardless of some "movement".....God hangs my pictures on his refrigerator and calls me "His masterfully created child", and that makes me perfect in him, and if anyone else thinks I am less.....then I can show them how they are an artfully, masterfully created child of God's as well. Then they won't feel the need to be mean to me, out of jealousy or pride, because we are the same. People.

Personally, if EVERYONE followed the Great commandments: Love God first with all we are, love our neighbor as ourselves, and do unto others as we wish they would do to/for us:......then we wouldn't need labels for everything. Feminism would be a non-issue, because we would ALL be treated the way God intended for us to be treated......as HIS CHILD. (the world according to NewWine :p)
Peace!!
Its a election year, so...

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Feminism was started back in the 50s to break down the family unit. It is a tool of SATAN.
The kids have suffered from it because there hasnt been a fulltime at home mom to raise the kids. Nannies and daycares care for kids now. The world came in and redesigned the way God intended. It used to be that men were the bread winners and women were to manage everything at home and the children. Both jobs equally important in fact the job of the woman is more important because molding children to be godly successful individuals is no easy task.
 

JosephsDreams

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I'll be happy not to hold the door for a snarky, thankless woman. No worries here.
I was once involved with a woman who was hard core fem. What a horror show. How the devil and human flesh and pride has instigated these worldly snares into society. Just turns Gods word upside down about how people should treat and respect each other in a relationship.
It was so opposite to how God tells us about love between a man and woman.
I promised myself never again.
Also no more being with woman who wear black about 80% of the time, or have hair shorter then a lot of men. Or who consistently walks in front of him if he can't keep up or just wants to walk at a pace a little slower.
 

JosephsDreams

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Feminism was started back in the 50s to break down the family unit. It is a tool of SATAN.
The kids have suffered from it because there hasnt been a fulltime at home mom to raise the kids. Nannies and daycares care for kids now. The world came in and redesigned the way God intended. It used to be that men were the bread winners and women were to manage everything at home and the children. Both jobs equally important in fact the job of the woman is more important because molding children to be godly successful individuals is no easy task.
While I don't agree with all your points, I agree with the gist of it. In the big picture, it has probably done more harm then good.
But we are also back to the same old of if men had treated woman better in the first place, there would have been no need for such a dramatic readjustment.
Satan, as he does, took advantage of a sin opening and ran with it.
 
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coby2

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I was once involved with a woman who was hard core fem. What a horror show. How the devil and human flesh and pride has instigated these worldly snares into society. Just turns Gods word upside down about how people should treat and respect each other in a relationship.
It was so opposite to how God tells us about love between a man and woman.
I promised myself never again.
Also no more being with woman who wear black about 80% of the time, or have hair shorter then a lot of men. Or who consistently walks in front of him if he can't keep up or just wants to walk at a pace a little slower.
Wahahahahahaha walk in front of him. Haven't seen that one yet. Moroccon men used to do that like decades ago, the woman 10 m behind with the bags.
 
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Its a election year, so...

I am JosephsDreams, and I endorse this message.
This message has been paid for by friends of JosephsDreams and the blood of Christ.
I'll vote for ya !!
 

JosephsDreams

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Wahahahahahaha walk in front of him. Haven't seen that one yet. Moroccon men used to do that like decades ago, the woman 10 m behind with the bags.
Yeah, if I did not want to walk faster, she often, not always, but maybe more times then not, would just walk at her pace until she was far ahead of me.
And she would tell me there was nothing wrong with doing that. That I was to sensitive. Which I sometimes am, and I was like, huh?
 
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NewWine

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I'll be happy not to hold the door for a snarky, thankless woman. No worries here.
I hold the door for men too if I am going through right in front of them (they usually give me funny looks), and often they smile like something great happened to them that day and thank me. I also hold the door for women, and all people with their hands full or appearing to need a little encouragement for the day.....When I was little (this was before automatic doors in grocery stores) I would go to the store when mama shopped, just so I could stand there and hold the door for people. After a few weeks of this the store manager started buying me a soda as payment for me "work" in the store.
Wait did that just age me? Never mind, scratch that analogy......I am 29 and staying 29 (common core math allows for this).

I get your point though, and personally, I am never offended if someone opens a door for me.....even if they are a dastardly man (kidding kidding....folk are folk; menfolk are as awesome as womenfolk)
 
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coby2

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I hold the door for men too if I am going through right in front of them (they usually give me funny looks), and often they smile like something great happened to them that day and thank me. I also hold the door for women, and all people with their hands full or appearing to need a little encouragement for the day.....When I was little (this was before automatic doors in grocery stores) I would go to the store when mama shopped, just so I could stand there and hold the door for people. After a few weeks of this the store manager started buying me a soda as payment for me "work" in the store.
Wait did that just age me? Never mind, scratch that analogy......I am 29 and staying 29 (common core math allows for this).

I get your point though, and personally, I am never offended if someone opens a door for me.....even if they are a dastardly man (kidding kidding....folk are folk; menfolk are as awesome as womenfolk)
That's normal to keep the door open for a man who walks behind you and wants to go through the same door. Bit rude to slam it in his face. Never get a funny look when I do that in school or at the office.
 

JosephsDreams

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I have long ago resigned myself that only about around half to two thirds of people will acknowledge you in some when you hold the door open for them. Woman usually less then men.
 
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coby2

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Lol my brother who has been single all his life recently went on a date. He didn't want to but she kept calling him and he couldn't say no. Oh so funny, he was stuck between the door and the plants in his attempts to be a gentleman who opens the door. She was as bossy as can be, ordered the drinks herself. Now I can't call him anymore. He threw away his phone hahahahahahaha.
 

JosephsDreams

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That is so funny. He through away his phone to get her to leave him alone.
She'll just be knocking on his door next, hahaha.
He'll have to move too...
 

JosephsDreams

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BTW, Steven Sea-gull, haha, use to live about 10 blocks from me, although I never did see him.
 
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While I don't agree with all your points, I agree with the gist of it. In the big picture, it has probably done more harm then good.
But we are also back to the same old of if men had treated woman better in the first place, there would have been no need for such a dramatic readjustment.
Satan, as he does, took advantage of a sin opening and ran with it.
Well I didnt imply the gist about men treating women better. You came up with that on your own. I will say one thing though, that many men have caved to the feminism movement and a result of that is men that dont act like men:)
 
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I have long ago resigned myself that only about around half to two thirds of people will acknowledge you in some when you hold the door open for them. Woman usually less then men.
I dont know if its more women than men that dont say thank you but I do know that I always hold the door for someone behind me and most dont say thank you! I lbend over backwards( its an expression) thanking someone who has held the door for me because I really do appreciate it! It just seems that basic courtesy and manners are a thing of the past!
 
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Well I didnt imply the gist about men treating women better. You came up with that on your own. I will say one thing though, that many men have caved to the feminism movement and a result of that is men that dont act like men:)
In no way am I a tough guy for doing what I did nor am I proud of it, but . . .

about two years ago a woman blatantly cut me off then took issue with my driving too close behind her. She got out of her car and started yelling and cursing at me. I told her to get back in her car or I was going to kick her rear end the same way I'd kick a man's.

A little dose of reality is good medicine for folks when needed.