Plumberly Help Anyone?

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Ha! My biggest fear while hubby has been away is THAT drain would clog. If you were here last summer, you may have remembered me freaking over it back then. It's the drain that sweeps away everything that goes through all the water pipes in the house PLUS the drain in our backyard. (Cement backyard, so that drain is important too.)

So for half a year I've been praying that there is no water EVER in front of the downstairs toilet, because it was due to go again (every 6 months to year) and it makes me gag.

Now, this is important -- our downstairs toilet is not in a bathroom. It's on a cement slab so close to the washing machine sink that I can turn on the cold water in the sink while seated on the toilet. To my right, in the very northwest corner of our house is the cap that needs to be pulled off to unclog that drain. (There is a word for that thing under the cap I still can't remember.) It's such a tight squeeze back there, the only way to balance is lean against the west wall and support with an elbow on the toilet seat while pulling up that cap and counterclockwise unscrewing it.

Did you notice? I can explain all that because the rug in front of the toilet did get wet, so I called hubby to learn how to do it and I did it. AND I did it without gagging, which would be impressive in itself IF the drain was clogged.

It's not.

The toilet is old-school (before "low-flo" ever hit the market in any form), but it's really old-school in it doesn't work, except by dumping in water in the bowl to flush. Nothing in the tank. Water in the toilet bowl usually just to stop fumes from coming through, but it does get used in emergencies. (Hasn't been one since hubby's been gone, but specifically because I did NOT want to unclog that pipe-thingy.)

So... no clogged pipe, the only thing I can think of that could leak out of the toilet is the water in the bowl, and the level hasn't gone down since I made sure the level was the right level a couple of weeks ago. That means something else is wrong, right? (Unmechanically inclined in all things, but really bad with pipes and electricity, so this really is me trying to troubleshoot without any knowledge of how to.)

Sooo, the water is coming from that away, BUT the only thing left is the washer and sink. Yup. Used the washer. The only reason I felt wet rug was because I was barefoot and hanging up clothes next to the toilet.

Now, like the toilet, our sink and washer are old-school too. (At least 26 years old because they came with the house, weren't new, and we bought the house 25 years ago, so praying the washer keeps working too. lol)

The sink has no trap, and it's the washer's sink, so I put one of those lint catcher things on the end of the hose that goes into the sink from the washer. Sometimes, I forget to change them after they get too linty, which then tends to spray water over onto the toilet but it also sprays water onto a chest next to the toilet that works as our table/magazine holder/TP holder/junk holder. I personally don't think the lint catcher was that overlinted, but what do I know? I'm the mechanically uninclined one asking for help online, because hubby is eating and I don't want to bother him/gross him out.

There is no water on that chest. I felt-up the toilet for wetness around the bottom, along the pipes behind it, under the tank, and looked at all the pipes between washer and toilet (and trap/cap thingy) so what else can I do?

Because honestly! I really really need to do this load of wash in the washer right now. My luck! Hubby got hanging up shirts before the wetness. I still need clean unmentionables.


Anyone got any ideas of what I might of missed, what I should try, AND is it safe to eat dinner? Because I'm hungry but don't want to barf if this gets even more disgusting!
 
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Well the cap you take off of the Y or T fitting to unclog the drain that is called a (clean-out) excess to drainage system
you say you don't use the commode if you flush the toilet there is what's called a wax ring that makes a seal between the toilet closet bowl and the concrete floor which is held down with closet bolts n nuts on each side of the toilet.. this wax ring can leak if the seal is broken so check that by flushing the toilet afew times you'll see water around the base of the toilet if it's leaking.

When the sink drain is being used the under the sick piping can leak there or were it continues into the wall and leaks coming out at the base of wall behind the toilet check there..

last thing the washer machine could be leaking inside of it there is a fill valve that fills up the drum were the clothes go that only allow water to enter the drum by the controls so this could be where it's leaking that's still inside the washing machine or the hot and cold water hose connections can leak too... I hope this can help solving the water leak..
 
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Grandpa

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Did it rain a whole bunch recently?

Maybe it was enough to overfill the drain and it backed up through the cleanout next to your toilet?

And then when it stopped raining it gave the appearance that the drain was clear...?

If that's not it I would look at the washing machine. Sometimes if you overfill them with clothes they fill up funny and leak...
 
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All good tips, lynn.
If you need somebody to come check it out, you know who to call:rolleyes:.
Btw, those washing machine inlet hoses can be a bugger when they go.
Sometimes the intake valve at the back of the machine gets clogged up, and the water pressure is too much for the hose or the coupling, or even the valve itself can get a hairline fracture, but you may not notice it unless you're filling the machine.
Hopefully you have a separate water shut-off valve to the machine.....turn it off overnight until it can be looked at...you don't want a hose to rupture with full pressure coming in.
 
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"Cleanout." That's the word I can't remember. Maybe because I'm allergic to cleaning. lol

I don't think it's the wax ring under the toilet, simply because what could come out if it, if it did leak? No water in the tank, and the water that sits in the bowl itself can't go down the pipe unless I dump a bucket down. The only water that could leak out would be the water in the S thingy. (Hey, I almost sounded plumbery for a moment there, didn't I?) The rest of the water can't follow because the water level is too low.

Since I really needed to do that next load of laundry, I watched the water drain out. The S thingy under the sink didn't leak. ("Trap!" Trap! That's the word for the S thingy. And hubby was a steamfitter, so he told me about traps often.) The pipes between the washer and the toilet didn't leak. And the washer is on the other side of the sink, so if it leaked, the floor would be wet that away, not near the toilet.

All in all, the next load got done with no more wet rug, so, I'm embarrassed to say it, but I think the lint catcher was clogged enough to spray water. (Oh, I changed it between loads, just in case it was that.) Thank God, because plumber I ain't!

I really am thankful that the rug got wet for a different reason though. Of all the things I have feared in the last six months related to me taking care of the house, it's been the cleanout clogging. I can live without a humidifier, without a can crusher, and even without a toaster oven, but me without running water? Not possible for a city dweller. (Even if I had a bush out back I could use where the neighbors wouldn't notice -- which I don't and my neighbor's doors are only 8-16 feet from my back door -- how do I cook and clean dishes?)

So, God made me face my biggest fear without actually having to deal with that biggest fear. I even dropped the screw into the cleanout so had to reach in. (Ewwwwwwwwww!) No barfing! My hands are dried out from the amount of times I've felt a need to wash them again, but all in all? I now know I can do it, and how not to do it when it's needed. (Don't let that screw fall into the water. Oh, and apparently that rubber gasket didn't have to come out. Oops.)

Embarrased, but the floor is drying now.

Thanks for letting me panic yet again.
 
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Hi,

Sometimes the loo,s get cracked if they are earthen ware the o ring at the back of the p trap or s bend the down pipe from tank to loo can leak at the back of the down pipe o ring , with a outer cover lose fitting

is there an internal air vent or external vent o rings for them as well ,

where the loo sits on the floor under it the bottom you cant see can crack and piddles out . I had to redo my friends in Austraila last time I was there so just a new 2 nd hand one and redid it ,

Put some brown paper under the washing machine and around the loo and if it gets wet youll know .

so you have some dogs coming in and the loo gets wet at the front ya ya okay been there done that and .......

...noeleena...
 

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Washing machines are some of the hardest things to trouble shoot.

You swear they are leaking and then when the plumber comes he runs a load with no clothes and the thing is perfect, no leaks.

I had a friend get a little water under his washing machine from time to time. I told him his washer was obviously leaking. He got a new one. Still gets a little water under his washing machine from time to time.

I started wondering if it was his concrete floor/basement foundation or possibly waste pipe leak... Never found anything...

And he still gets a little water under his washing machine every once in a while.
 
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Miri

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I never realised plumbing was so different between the US and the U.K.

I didn't understand any of the above posts. The only word I got was thingy. Lol
 
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I never realised plumbing was so different between the US and the U.K.

I didn't understand any of the above posts. The only word I got was thingy. Lol
Me too! Which explains the problem to begin with. lol
 
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Both my laundry and the rug around the toilet are dry. Yupper! It was the lint catcher. I'm so embarrassed. Strangely, not the kind of sinful embarrassed, so I can live with it.

Thanks for the help. I'm officially back to praying that "cleanout" doesn't clog again. Now I have to add on "and remind me to change the lint catcher more often, Lord."
 
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Glad to hear you got it working Depleted...

for anyone else...

Like BeyondET mentioned, it may be the washing machine....especially the top loading kind of washer (not the front loading washer with the submarine type glass lol IDK how to call it but I think what I'm saying is right) the seals on the washing machine after a while will break especially rubber seals due to age and rubber cracking from normal wear and tear.....also it could be your "spinning drum" aka the cylinder of the washing machine is leaking water once filled and spinning/engaged in the cycle.

I would take a dry piece of cardboard and stick it under the washing machine (after drying around it first if it's wet) then test it by using an "empty cycle" no clothes and just let the washer tub fill with water and swirl around. If it leaks on your cardboard you will probably need to get a repairman for washers (if it's cheaper) or you may just want to opt for a new washer all together especially the newer ones are less time (most cycles are 30min while older Washers take an average of about 1 hour to wash... and newer ones are also higher efficiency.....

Grandpa:

Water sometimes also will "splash out" of the cylinder of top load washing machines and run down the side (outside the main cylinder) and end up on the floor....that is why your floor gets a small pool of water....try lowering the water level or rate of spin from high to medium....it may work :)
 
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Miri

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Wow more foreign words, what is a top loading washer (we do the
submarine window type of washers over here).

Come to think of it our washers don't have lint traps I assume you mean fluff.

The dryers have fluff traps though.

This is my washing machine.

The small panel at the bottom right is where things like buttons, paper clips
and other odd things go if they end up in the wash, but it doesn't have a
fluff trap.

Our last washer didn't have one either and it lasted 15 years.

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This is that sophisticated, mechanical, highly-technical thingy called "the lint catcher." Since lint and thread from clothes do come out of that hose and into the sink, the pipe leaving the sink gets clogged occasionally without one. (Unless you have one of those screen thingies over the drain and just pull the lint off that way. I'd show you what a screen thingy looks like, but again I don't know the real words. lol)

You do have a hose and sink, right? Or, if you don't, how does water leave? Maybe your country really did go for sophisticated and put the drain hose straight into the plumbing, but then there really would have to be a great "fluff trap" that you have to clean out.

Oddly enough, we do have a fluff trap too. (That's called a lint trap, but fluff fits better this time, because at least it's dry.) It's in the front of our dryers and catches even more fluff.

I keep thinking someone could get rich if they'd invent a way that a tissue would not fall apart in the wash and end up on every single piece of clothes getting washed in multiple spots. It's a tiny tissue! How does it land on 20 pieces of clothes 5-6 times each? I mean, even shocks and face clothes!
 
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Wow more foreign words, what is a top loading washer (we do the
submarine window type of washers over here).

Come to think of it our washers don't have lint traps I assume you mean fluff.

The dryers have fluff traps though.

This is my washing machine.

The small panel at the bottom right is where things like buttons, paper clips
and other odd things go if they end up in the wash, but it doesn't have a
fluff trap.

Our last washer didn't have one either and it lasted 15 years.

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Oh, forgot. You have a front loader. This isn't a technical term. It tells where you load the clothes. Answer: "in the front."

Top loaders means clothes are loaded on the top. No window for top loaders, but I never got why people would want to watch clothes wash. It seems as interesting as watching grass grow.

 
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Miri

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No lint or fluff catcher I'm afraid.

The washing machines over here are plumbed straight into the hot and cold water supply
and the water outlet pipe is plumbed into the waste water pipe. It all just magically
goes away. I don't know how, it just does. No fluff, no lint, no clogged drains.

I dunno how it works.

A week or so ago, a paper tissue ended up in the washing. When I took the clothes out
there was lots of soggy paper inside the metal drum, I just wiped it out in about two seconds.

Then when I put the clothes in the dryer, the filter on that caught the rest of the paper.

So I really wasn't joking when I said I didn't have a clue about US plumbing. Lol
 
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No lint or fluff catcher I'm afraid.

The washing machines over here are plumbed straight into the hot and cold water supply
and the water outlet pipe is plumbed into the waste water pipe. It all just magically
goes away. I don't know how, it just does. No fluff, no lint, no clogged drains.

I dunno how it works.

A week or so ago, a paper tissue ended up in the washing. When I took the clothes out
there was lots of soggy paper inside the metal drum, I just wiped it out in about two seconds.

Then when I put the clothes in the dryer, the filter on that caught the rest of the paper.

So I really wasn't joking when I said I didn't have a clue about US plumbing. Lol
I'm not sure if the US needs to catch up with UK standards for washers, or I just need a 21st century washer. (I can't get a new one in, even if I bought one. Previous owner put a thin door for the basement that you have to turn right immediately to go down the steps. A new washer simply can't fit. Kind of why I keep praying our antique keeps working. lol)
 
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Hi,

Lint catcher = muck catcher , is wet as well

washer = washing machine .

sink = wash tub , for the wash house or laundry .

sink = is a kitchen detail sink in the kitchen bench = work bench

heavy metal = nails screws or money go down to the bottom and under the agitator top loading so to get rich you unscrew the muck catcher to find it , at the bottom

a bit of Kiwi lingo ,

A machine that is running with no clothes in wont throw water around and over the drum top . with clothes in and loaded to the brim will and piddle down the inside wall of said washing machine , like boiling spuds and over the edge they go , if too full .

...noeleena...
 

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Wow more foreign words, what is a top loading washer (we do the
submarine window type of washers over here).

Come to think of it our washers don't have lint traps I assume you mean fluff.

The dryers have fluff traps though.
how cute! "fluff trap!"

((because we have a particularly fuzzy kitty often referred to as "the Fluff" in shorthand))

i'm learning new words too :)





Lynn:
clean out the fluff catcher between every load! just makes the whole thing work more efficiently :)
our washer doesn't have one either, but it's really noticeable in dryers if you don't clean them, so imagine it's the same. iirc the one we had two houses ago did have it though.




now where is that Fuzzy? i'm a "Fluff-catcher" myself . . . . he'll want to hear about this!
 
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Miri

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how cute! "fluff trap!"

((because we have a particularly fuzzy kitty often referred to as "the Fluff" in shorthand))

i'm learning new words too :)





Lynn:
clean out the fluff catcher between every load! just makes the whole thing work more efficiently :)
our washer doesn't have one either, but it's really noticeable in dryers if you don't clean them, so imagine it's the same. iirc the one we had two houses ago did have it though.




now where is that Fuzzy? i'm a "Fluff-catcher" myself . . . . he'll want to hear about this!


This is the fluff catcher similar to the one in our dryer, (the first one demonstrated).


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I don't think it would work on your cat, but you could try this :D


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The only thing I know about plumbing is what plumbers tell me.

It flows downhill and payday is on Friday.