Looking for advice re: marriage/infidelity/divorce

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seekingpeace16

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First of all, hello and thank you for taking the time to read this. To give as clear a picture as possible, I'm going to try to summarize 14 years worth of stuff, so here goes.

I was married 14 years ago. The day after we returned from our honeymoon, I discovered (my husband had left his email open on desktop) emails between him and another woman. He had never met this woman in person and claimed that he was still emailing her because she had been playing him for over a year and he was trying to find out who she actually was (like a catfishing type thing). I didn't want my new marriage to end, so I forgave him and things were fine. During the next few years we disagreed about children. He had 2 from his first marriage and didn't want anymore, but while we were dating said we could have one. He changed his mind after we were married and I decided that his 2 would be enough for me, because I married him, not a child that didn't exist. At 3 and a half years into our marriage, he had an affair with a woman and told me that he wanted a divorce and was going to be with her. I was determined that this marriage could be saved. I believed in it and God's power to heal our marriage. I wasn't giving up. This whole ordeal of back and forth with her went on for 9 months, during which she (his affair partner) told me he had been with 4 other women before her. He confirmed it was true. We stayed together, went to marriage counseling, recovered and our marriage was great for many years.

Cut to 10 years later, in September of last year, he told me he wanted a divorce. I wondered if he was cheating again. Things had not been bad between us, but we were in a rut; things weren't as exciting as they used to be, etc. I began to work on the things he told me he was unsatisfied with but it did no good. He was adamant that we were divorcing. He filed papers and moved out in February. He was back the next day crying and saying he had made a huge mistake and wanted to work it out. He loved me; I was the best person he knew; he could see how he had messed up, etc. I was wary of course because of all he put me through and did not allow him to come home, said there would have to be time and work. I was/am seeing a counselor who is a Christian and taking her advice. He agreed to start counseling himself and work on himself. We have been talking and seeing each other occasionally. He has showered me with cards, flowers, anything to show his love for me from afar. In May, I noticed that his affair partner from 10 years ago was following him on ebay. I asked if they had been in contact and he said no. I looked in his ebay messages and she had contacted him back in March, he told her she could call, that we were separated and papers were filed. I went nuts. He freaked out and said he was going to tell me, that it meant nothing, he was disgusted by her and never wanted to talk to her again. I was still very upset. A few weeks later, he tells me he thinks he's a sex addict and that there have been 3 other women in the past several years. He wants to get help, loves me, wants to spend the rest of his life proving himself to me.

During all this, our divorce became final (my counselor suggested to let that happen, because if we repaired the relationship, we would need a new start/commitment anyway). Now that the contact with the AP and revelation about these other women, she is hinting that I should probably cut my losses and move on, that marriages do not have a good outcome when one person is a repeat offender/ possible sex addict.

You may be reading this thinking that it is obvious that I should be done with him, but I am confused because he has never been so remorseful, ashamed, emotional, and willing to make changes. I know that God can do anything. Is my gut telling me to move on or is it Satan?
 

blue_ladybug

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I'm gonna be direct here, because that's how I am..lol.. He cheated on you for pretty much your entire marriage, and obviously even BEFORE that, and you're still willing to be his door mat? He's been with FOUR other women, not including you. Your marriage ended the first time he cheated on you. Technically, sexting is cheating too. He may be ashamed and he should be. He's a playboy who won't stop playing. By his own admission, he's a sex addict. He needs counseling and therapy, and you need to stop enabling him by taking him back time after time. Forgive him and pray for him. But do NOT keep taking him back. There is no trust between you anymore, and without trust, there is no marriage. And if he has to "spend the rest of his life" proving himself to you, then YOUR life will be wasted. God will use this divorce to bring something much better into all of your lives. Your divorce is already final anyway, so YES, it's time to move on.
 

seekingpeace16

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I also need to add that I only mentioned all of the horrible things he did. He did a whole lot of good stuff in between too and there have been good, loving times. I believe he loves me; I know he has a problem that I cannot solve and he needs to get help.
 

blue_ladybug

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I also need to add that I only mentioned all of the horrible things he did. He did a whole lot of good stuff in between too and there have been good, loving times. I believe he loves me; I know he has a problem that I cannot solve and he needs to get help.
Do the good things outweigh the bad things? Is there more of one than the other? If he wants help, that's good. :) BUT the proof will be in the pudding, meaning that if he's sincere about getting help, he will actually take the initiative and get it.. He needs help from God, as well as man, so is he willing to let God help him? Or is he just saying what he knows you want to hear?
 

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A man that loves his wife does not even think about cheating on his wife let alone actually do it. The infidelity has lasted your entire marriage. He destroyed it even before it began. You have not had a single day of trust during this whole ordeal and you never will with him in your life He also lied to you about having a child together. I pray that God provides the strength and tools that you will need to move forward with your life. Yes, forgive him. He should be remorseful and ashamed for what he has put you though. Under no circumstances should you waste another precious day by even considering taking him back. Welcome to CC.
 

seekingpeace16

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BUT the proof will be in the pudding, meaning that if he's sincere about getting help, he will actually take the initiative and get it.. He needs help from God, as well as man, so is he willing to let God help him? Or is he just saying what he knows you want to hear?
That is the question - that is why I have taken so long to make any decisions and will not allow him back right now. I know I have to see that he has made the changes. If he's serious, he'll do it. If he's just saying things to get me back, I think he'll tire of it or get impatient soon enough. He has given me passwords to all accounts.
 
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seekingpeace16

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A man that loves his wife does not even think about cheating on his wife let alone actually do it. .
I was under the impression that men thought about it all the time - just many will respect their marriage and not follow through.
Do you think sex addiction is a true disease or an excuse?
 
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I was under the impression that men thought about it all the time - just many will respect their marriage and not follow through.
Do you think sex addiction is a true disease or an excuse?
Neither...it is a sin; lust of the flesh.
 

tourist

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I was under the impression that men thought about it all the time - just many will respect their marriage and not follow through.
Do you think sex addiction is a true disease or an excuse?
If it's a disease it is one that is self-afflicted. Sounds like an excuse to me, regardless, it is a horrible thing to do to someone that you supposedly love. If married men think about sex all of the time, the ones that love their wives are thinking about them when they have such thoughts.
 

blue_ladybug

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That is the question - that is why I have taken so long to make any decisions and will not allow him back right now. I know I have to see that he has made the changes. If he's serious, he'll do it. If he's just saying things to get me back, I think he'll tire of it or get impatient soon enough. He has given me passwords to all accounts.


To allow him back, you would have to remarry him. You said your divorce is finalized, right? If you have all his passwords, then you can keep track of whether he's sincere or if he's just lying his butt off. Hopefully he won't go and change them all on you so you can't monitor him. If he does, you'll KNOW he's hiding something..
 
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I also need to add that I only mentioned all of the horrible things he did. He did a whole lot of good stuff in between too and there have been good, loving times. I believe he loves me; I know he has a problem that I cannot solve and he needs to get help.
He needs God and to be born again. Will pray for you both.
 

overcomer21

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It's always a difficult situation to be in, it's easy for us to say leave him he is no good. God does hate divorce it was because of the hardness of heart that God allowed it. Mark 10:4&5

I do have to say in this aspect you have a God like character, you can see over and over in the Bible His people are committing spiritual adultery constantly, but God takes them back as long as it's true repentance.

I believe that if your husband is sincere and wants to work it out he will do EVERYTHING to make it work. One of the things that most do not understand is that the ability to control or not to control your appetite effects the lower passions. Your husband my truly love you but has a hard time controlling himself through poor appetite and diet. If you would like I would love to study with your husband and help him to understand God's health plan and how living a healthy lifestyle can change behavior. Just send me a private IM
 

Dan58

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I suspect your ex uses the word "love" loosely, its an easy thing to say, but its not real unless its demonstrated. It sounds like he's in love with the idea of marriage, but doesn't have the self-discipline to be faithful, and that pretty much destroys the whole concept of marriage. Sex is a choice, not an addiction. One reason guys get married is so they can have sex, so unless you were closed for business, he has no excuse... jmo
 

blue_ladybug

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I suspect your ex uses the word "love" loosely, its an easy thing to say, but its not real unless its demonstrated. It sounds like he's in love with the idea of marriage, but doesn't have the self-discipline to be faithful, and that pretty much destroys the whole concept of marriage. Sex is a choice, not an addiction. One reason guys get married is so they can have sex, so unless you were closed for business, he has no excuse... jmo
Sex most certainly is an addiction. Especially if you can't stop doing it. (no pun intended, lol). ANYTHING can be an addiction if you cannot stop yourself from doing it. Whether it be sex, porn, gluttony, etc..
 

seekingpeace16

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I believe anything can be an addiction if you allow it (the fix you get) to rule your life. It's a self medicating thing - I compulsively buy shoes. As long as I can afford to do it, it doesn't really hurt anyone. I guess that's a silly comparison, but I do get a little excitement waiting for shoes to be shipped to my house. I cannot help but wonder if this addiction is a convenient last ditch effort to get me to understand his behavior and take him back. He knows I believe strongly in forgiveness and fighting for the relationship.

I believe I have biblical grounds for this divorce. I am struggling with whether or not I should continue to entertain the idea of reconciliation. I don't respect him or trust him. I know it is possible to rebuild those things. I just don't know if it will ever come back for me or if too much damage has been done. I also want to have self respect. Will I have any? I believe with God all things are possible. I just want to know that I'm making the right decisions and not wasting more of my life if it's going to continue.
 

blue_ladybug

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Time for me to be direct again.. You just answered your own question: you don't respect OR trust him. Respect is EARNED, and trust takes FOREVER to rebuild after such a betrayal as this. This has been going on for FOURTEEN years. Do you honestly think he's going to automatically stop doing this? Cuz you're fooling yourself if you think he will. I would say too much damage has already been done, so stop continuing to waste your life hoping this guy will change.. You're ALREADY divorced anyways, so it's high time that you move on with your life.


Here is your very own quote of what your counselor told you to do:

During all this, our divorce became final (my counselor suggested to let that happen, because if we repaired the relationship, we would need a new start/commitment anyway). Now that the contact with the AP and revelation about these other women, she is hinting that I should probably cut my losses and move on, that marriages do not have a good outcome when one person is a repeat offender/ possible sex addict.

Note the part where she says to cut your losses and move on. And she's right, you need to. She's also right that marriages (some) do not have a good ending when one spouse is a "repeat offender/possible sex addict". If you are smart, you'll take her advice. But if you're stupid, then you're gonna keep holding onto something that you don't have anymore, and never really even had to begin with. YOU ARE DIVORCED. Accept that and move on.
 

tourist

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I believe I have biblical grounds for this divorce. I am struggling with whether or not I should continue to entertain the idea of reconciliation. I don't respect him or trust him. I know it is possible to rebuild those things. I just don't know if it will ever come back for me or if too much damage has been done. I also want to have self respect. Will I have any? I believe with God all things are possible. I just want to know that I'm making the right decisions and not wasting more of my life if it's going to continue.
You definitely had biblical grounds for divorce. Why subject yourself to more years of mental anguish and despair? You have made the right decision and the only decision that was possible under the horrible situation that your cheating ex-husband put you in. I agree with you that you should not waste any more of your precious life in agonizing over what has already transpired.
 
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@Seekingpeace, ... Personally, I think it would be best to move on with your life. I fought against divorce for over two years and I'm sure that I made things worse on my kids.