Marriage on the Rocks

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Hello everyone.

I have been married for eleven years and together for twelve. During this time things have not been perfect like most relationships. We have gone though the seven year itch and it was rough. We have gone though marriage counseling as a couple. I have seen a counselor for after fighting cancer and the rough in our marriage which was developed though the bout with cancer during that time. My wife has developed a distrust for me over the past few years that no amount of counseling or Christian family intervention counseling that has resolved the matter.

To sum it up because of the distance and lack of trust over the past couple of years. Lately words from her like "looser" and disrespectful gestures are coming from her. She is being disrespectful. The mounting complaining and expectations after I put in a 70 hour work week in for the past two years. I work my butt off to provide. Some how this is not good enough for her. I still put the effort into dating her as we first met and do those things attention to her needs. I even do the majority house duties after. So I am the provider and the house maid. I also fit in two hours of physical exercise and maintain. While she has let her health go to the point where she is diabetic. When we first met she did not have all of the health problems and she was in shape and good health. The diabetes is a product of her not taking care of herself and just letter herself go to the point of her health has been compromised. .......So how does this make me a "looser"? When someone that would actually love to have a guy like me is waiting, I'm 100% sure of it.

Me, friends, and family have spoken with her about her health. Even medical professionals. None of us are successful. I have come to the conclusion that it is out of my hands and she has to need to take care of herself. I am exhausted needless to say. If it involved physical exertion. She automatically rules out the possibility of participation. She works, yes but that's all she believes she needs to do. Then she gets to come home and do nothing. Its like living with a roommate.

I have sought almost every possible avenue to get her help outside of leaving. The old saying goes "you can lead a horse to water. But you can not make it drink the water".

Sex is non existent. I have lost my attraction for her because of the health issue her letting herself go and not self improving her health or her taking into consideration my concern as her husband. Much less how I feel after all of the talks and counseling. I am just expected to at this point. Its disgusting. I am patience and tolerant. However that patience and tolerant can so long. Its been wearing years now. I am not attracted anymore and not in the mood. I know its very selfish of me. I take into consideration my health and how I take care of my physical for the person I am with.

The straw. We just got back from a long road trip to visit more less "her friends". I am cool with them. I don't have a deep relationship with them. However I was thinking we needed to get away. So we go on the trip for a week. During the trip I got called a "looser", I over heard a conversation that ended with "well no one likes him anyway". I enjoyed the trip because it was a mental escape for me working long hours and seeing something new other than miles of corn here in the Midwest. She is Hunky dory with her friends and I am enjoying the views and activities. On the way back home after putting up with the disrespect. She was napping in the passenger seat. I really looked at her. I realized how much my wife had changed, how much cancer can effect your life, how straying can make you loose trust in someone. I felt in that moment and could not find love inside me for her. The woman my wife presented to me years ago has long gone evaporated in to thin air. I was actually thinking "I wish you would actually try". Most of the time its the woman saying this to a guy to "just try"!

She honestly believes that everything is ok and it is not. No matter how much we talk about it or have had professional help. It is not ok to disrespect someone who is giving 150%. And expect that "I am just expected to do".

I know for some of you this may be hard to read. I may be selfish. However Superman needs something to change and a break now and then and something has to give or quit which ever comes first.

Money is not the issue. I took over the finances to pay off bills and we have more money saved than we did when she was in control of the savings. We are able to do more as well. So money is not the issue.

My tolerance is bible paper thin.

Any advice, prayers, experiences would help thank you.
 
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Marriage is tough - no doubt about it but from what you say here your wife is not in the least bit interested in trying. You appear to be doing everything in your power to make it work and she just allows you to do it all alone. No wonder you feel so frustrated and helpless. For her part, there is a lack of interest, a lack of respect and actually a lack of self-respect too.

Why is there a "lack of trust"? Is there a genuine reason she doesn't trust you/you don't trust her? what do you mean by this comment? "When someone that would actually love to have a guy like me is waiting, I'm 100% sure of it." These comments are a concern for anyone trying to help you. It's difficult for me to think of an answer other than counselling which you appear to have tried. Is your wife a Christian? You need to be praying about your situation - I will pray for you too.
 
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what do you mean by this comment? "When someone that would actually love to have a guy like me is waiting, I'm 100% sure of it."

A: I am self aware of what I have to offer. I am confident in what I have offer a relationship with someone.

Lack of trust came from a moment of cheating in our relationship when I was sick with cancer during treatment. I have moved beyond it and forgave. But it was very damaging. I can forgive it hard to forget.
 

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what do you mean by this comment? "When someone that would actually love to have a guy like me is waiting, I'm 100% sure of it."

A: I am self aware of what I have to offer. I am confident in what I have offer a relationship with someone.

Lack of trust came from a moment of cheating in our relationship when I was sick with cancer during treatment. I have moved beyond it and forgave. But it was very damaging. I can forgive it hard to forget.

What exactly is it that you have to offer in a relationship? Maybe it isn't what she wants or needs anymore..
 
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what do you mean by this comment? "When someone that would actually love to have a guy like me is waiting, I'm 100% sure of it."

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I am self aware of what I have to offer. I am confident in what I have offer a relationship with someone.

Lack of trust came from a moment of cheating in our relationship when I was sick with cancer during treatment. I have moved beyond it and forgave. But it was very damaging. I can forgive it hard to forget.
So this sounds to me like you are already considering moving on. Do you already have someone else on the horizon? - You need to be talking this over with God.

Yes it is very difficult to move on and get to the stage where it no longer plays a part in your relationship, I know from experience that this cannot be done without God's help so again getting God involved is central. It must have been very hard to take - being cheated on when you were so sick - hard to forgive nor does it sound to me as if your wife is remorseful.

You may feel that God is telling you to move on and divorce your wife. God would be OK with it if adultery is the reason. Let The Holy Spirit reveal to you what God is saying but don't kid yourself He is saying what you want to hear - you will know in your heart the truth of what He is saying.

I hope and pray you are cancer-free now. There is no doubt you need prayer for that and for your marriage.
 
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What exactly is it that you have to offer in a relationship? Maybe it isn't what she wants or needs anymore..
You ask this question like you hate men. Almost like What does a man have to offer? Read it again. I work, I provide, I still date her, I maintain, and wait on her hand and foot. I still treat her as if I am trying to interest her. However I can not make someone love me. I am not going to. I forgot women like being treated poorly.
 

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You ask this question like you hate men. Almost like What does a man have to offer? Read it again. I work, I provide, I still date her, I maintain, and wait on her hand and foot. I still treat her as if I am trying to interest her. However I can not make someone love me. I am not going to. I forgot women like being treated poorly.

Actually I rather like men. :) So basically, you give her whatever she wants, when she wants it. So if all you have to offer her is spoiling her rotten, than maybe she doesn't want to be spoiled so much anymore. I read alot of pride and arrogance in your comments. And you know what they say about pride.. You say you treat her as if you're trying to interest her. Maybe that's the problem. She's not interested in you or the marriage anymore, could be a possibility.. Like I said before, maybe what you're offering her isn't what she wants or needs anymore..
 

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You ask this question like you hate men. Almost like What does a man have to offer? Read it again. I work, I provide, I still date her, I maintain, and wait on her hand and foot. I still treat her as if I am trying to interest her. However I can not make someone love me. I am not going to. I forgot women like being treated poorly.

She's not the one being treated poorly. YOU are. And both men and women alike, enjoy being treated kindly and with respect. For whatever reason, she respects neither herself nor you..
 
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So this sounds to me like you are already considering moving on. Do you already have someone else on the horizon? - You need to be talking this over with God.

Yes it is very difficult to move on and get to the stage where it no longer plays a part in your relationship, I know from experience that this cannot be done without God's help so again getting God involved is central. It must have been very hard to take - being cheated on when you were so sick - hard to forgive nor does it sound to me as if your wife is remorseful.

You may feel that God is telling you to move on and divorce your wife. God would be OK with it if adultery is the reason. Let The Holy Spirit reveal to you what God is saying but don't kid yourself He is saying what you want to hear - you will know in your heart the truth of what He is saying.

I hope and pray you are cancer-free now. There is no doubt you need prayer for that and for your marriage.
With yearly check ups. God is good and has blessed me with good bill of health. Treatment was successful. Yes it is extremely hard to forgive what happened.

Of course I have thought about moving on. When I go to the gym. I don't go out of my way to talk to women. They talk to me, wave and say hi. I let them know I am married if a conversation starts. Is their someone else? No. What would be the point of starting a relationship with someone while I am married. That makes no sense. I have more self respect than that.

Maybe my wife feels sorry or remorseful. I know I am not happy. I don't like hurting anyone no more than they do me. But mean people don't mind I guess. I guess I shouldn't.

I do pray and I do feel a push. I just don't want it to be a mistake of a push from satan.
 
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She's not the one being treated poorly. YOU are. And both men and women alike, enjoy being treated kindly and with respect. For whatever reason, she respects neither herself nor you..
I have been trying to figure this out for a long time. We have gone to counseling. The doctor says to her "you need to take care of yourself". I know she likes food and she says she is happy with food. However she dosent have that option now. She has to be the one to help now. I and others are at a loss. She has to be willing to help. Its making me miserable.
 

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I have been trying to figure this out for a long time. We have gone to counseling. The doctor says to her "you need to take care of yourself". I know she likes food and she says she is happy with food. However she dosent have that option now. She has to be the one to help now. I and others are at a loss. She has to be willing to help. Its making me miserable.
Hmm.. Maybe she does feel badly for cheating on you, and is taking it out on herself. Or maybe she just has some issues of her own that she is trying to (unsuccessfully) deal with.
 

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I have been trying to figure this out for a long time. We have gone to counseling. The doctor says to her "you need to take care of yourself". I know she likes food and she says she is happy with food. However she dosent have that option now. She has to be the one to help now. I and others are at a loss. She has to be willing to help. Its making me miserable.
I had a very similar situation. Forgiven adultery too... I am now divorced and she is with a new guy making all the same mistakes/issues before. I personally see no fault in what you have posted as I have been there.

If she will not listen to doctors or any others and refuses to change, I say walk. I took that same kind of verbal abuse but with much more colourful language. I never once said anything bad to her like that. I'm with you on this one.
 
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Hmm.. Maybe she does feel badly for cheating on you, and is taking it out on herself. Or maybe she just has some issues of her own that she is trying to (unsuccessfully) deal with.
Maybe. However... She must participate in her own rescue. As much as I need to participate in mine.
 

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Maybe. However... She must participate in her own rescue. As much as I need to participate in mine.

But what if she doesn't want to rescue herself? Then what? Maybe she's content to wallow in her misery forever, but that doesn't mean she needs to drag you down into it too.
 
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I had a very similar situation. Forgiven adultery too... I am now divorced and she is with a new guy making all the same mistakes/issues before. I personally see no fault in what you have posted as I have been there.

If she will not listen to doctors or any others and refuses to change, I say walk. I took that same kind of verbal abuse but with much more colourful language. I never once said anything bad to her like that. I'm with you on this one.
Thanks. I am in the same boat. I don't disrespect act the fool. However she has no problem being a jerk. When she calls me those names. I am the type that likes letting people walk into their own messes because they create them for themselves. WE don't have any children or anything pressing. I see someone that can be much more and self improved. I can not make her do it. She has to participate. Same as me participating in my own rescue.
 
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But what if she doesn't want to rescue herself? Then what? Maybe she's content to wallow in her misery forever, but that doesn't mean she needs to drag you down into it too.
Right. I don't have to put up with it or its aftermath. However I need to what is in my Faith walk and do what is right.
 

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Right. I don't have to put up with it or its aftermath. However I need to what is in my Faith walk and do what is right.

You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. And it seems she doesn't want help and is content in living like this. So what do you plan on doing about all this?
 
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You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. And it seems she doesn't want help and is content in living like this. So what do you plan on doing about all this?
I know. I don't want to live in this much longer.

I plan to pray about it. Participate in my own rescue. Have another heart to heart and ultimatum. And follow though. Repair and move on.
 

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I know. I don't want to live in this much longer.

I plan to pray about it. Participate in my own rescue. Have another heart to heart and ultimatum. And follow though. Repair and move on.

You can't fix her. She has to WANT to be helped. If she's not willing to do anything for herself, then God surely won't intervene to help her. He can't force her to care about bettering her life and health. And neither can you. So maybe the only repair to be done here, is divorce.. But good luck with talking to her..
 
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So sorry for all you have gone and are going through. I know many people have seen the quote by John Piper, "How do I know I married the the right person? Look at the marriage certificate." His point being, that once you are married, that is who God wants you to be with. We are supposed to love our spouses regardless of how they act toward us.

Having said all of that (if you are still reading and that first part didn't make you too mad), I know what it is like to be in a marriage where you are the only one trying to fix it. I also agree with the other comments that you can't force somebody to want to help themselves. Counseling is good. The best thing you can do is work on yourself - not just physically, but also spiritually. Allow God to work in you and strengthen you. If your counselor is a Biblical counselor, they are probably already guiding you in this. Then along the way, God will show you what He wants you to do. I NEVER advocate divorce, but here I am, and God gave me amazing peace about that and walked me through it all. I'll be praying for you.