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IMO, a person should have no reason whatsoever, to question what their gender identity is. If you're born with a winkie, then you're a boy. If you're born with a vagina, then you're a girl. THAT should be fairly obvious to anyone. And I'm sorry to burst people's bubble regarding corrective surgery; ain't no amount of corrective surgery, steroids, hormones, whatever, gonna turn you into the opposite sex. Biology doesn't work like that. The gender that you are born as, is the gender you will die as..
You can say all that til the cows come home. That doesn't change the fact it used to be classified as a disorder. And how gender identity disorder still exists today. Doesn't make it right. Just like anxiety and depression aren't. Since when is a disorder good? You get treatment to try and help the problems. So not sure where you are getting at with my previous post.
I'm talking about the part in your post regarding gender identity disorder. WHY should there be ANY confusion on the part of that person as to which identity they are? The identity you're BORN WITH, will be the identity you will retain throughout your entire life, regardless of corrective surgeries and whatnot.. Apples and oranges, compared to anxiety and depression. Those are normal human functions. Questioning your sexual identity is NOT normal. And gender identity shouldn't be classified as a disorder, it's more appropriately described as a cop out for those who wish they were the opposite sex, but aren't, and are confused as to why their a man but feel like a woman, and vice versa. Just how exactly do you help someone who doesn't know what sex they are?
There's a lot in the brain that we don't know about. To ignore it and simply dismiss it is simply ignorant. Can ask the same thing g about what makes people more anxious and depressed, and how such simple stuff are triggers for them. To answer your last sentence, you'd ask someone that specializes in that sort of treatment. Just like you'd ask someone that treats addictions how would you treat someone with an addiction. Or how would you treat married couples if one was a marriage counselor. There are different branches of counseling.
And to add to this, gender identity is not necessarily a cop out. For all you know, something could have happened to someone at a very young age that causes the person to have different feelings, which develops that confusion. Please do some research before posting. You make yourself look bad, and by that I mean unintelligent.
And to add to this, gender identity is not necessarily a cop out. For all you know, something could have happened to someone at a very young age that causes the person to have different feelings, which develops that confusion. Please do some research before posting. You make yourself look bad, and by that I mean unintelligent.
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Well the fact still remains that there shouldn't be any question about which gender they are. I mean, that much is visually obvious.. lol
And turning gay is a CHOICE, pure and simple. It's not something that a person is forced into becoming. And if that person is a sane, rationally thinking person, they would know that what they feel is contrary to how God made them. I wish I was a man sometimes, but I don't question why I'm a girl instead. If something happens in a person's life that makes them "become" gay, then they should deal with what happened, so that they aren't compelled to follow through and prefer the same sex instead. Saying "God made me this way" or "I'm really a boy/girl inside" IS a lame excuse and a cop out, and they obviously don't hold God in high regard.
And turning gay is a CHOICE, pure and simple. It's not something that a person is forced into becoming. And if that person is a sane, rationally thinking person, they would know that what they feel is contrary to how God made them. I wish I was a man sometimes, but I don't question why I'm a girl instead. If something happens in a person's life that makes them "become" gay, then they should deal with what happened, so that they aren't compelled to follow through and prefer the same sex instead. Saying "God made me this way" or "I'm really a boy/girl inside" IS a lame excuse and a cop out, and they obviously don't hold God in high regard.
What's highlighted is dangerous thinking when applied to situations like PTSD and DID. Ultimate goal of therapy is to get the client to face what happened and overcome it, yes. But you obviously like to leave out the portion of why the person feels the way he or she does. Why the person is experiencing these things. As much as you'd like to think, someone just doesn't wake up one day and say "You know what, I think I'm going to say I'm gay." or "You know, I think today I am going to become a transgender. I don't have anything else to do". That's not really how any of it works. Clearly, you like to ignore the fact biological, psychological, social, and spiritual aspects all play a part. It's clear you don't think each situation is different. With that, I'll let you float in your ignorance. Don't drown, though, because it's rising high.
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Jsr, your mistaken assumptions are frustrating. I don't leave out why they feel as they do. But your 2nd sentence is what I'm trying to say: that getting help and facing what happened, so they can TRY to overcome it. Obviously if they DON'T deal with it, or as you said, admit what happened, then naturally they're going to be confused. If they're molested, or whatever situation, and they don't deal with it, then they are probably more prone to thinking that sex with the same sex is okay..
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One thing is for sure, it is definitely a "spiritual disorder". Unfortunately, even if you went into counseling to remove and heal things of your past that may have contributed to this "spiritual disorder", modern counselors would not tell you to trust in God.What they will do (and I speak from experience) is tell you that they believe God loves you how He made you and that it cannot be wrong. They'll encourage you to seek out other gay people and get involved in the gay community. There is no healing for a christian to be found in therapy, unless the counselor is a private-practice Christian.
The only healing we can find lies in the grace of Christ and trusting in Him.
Personally, I had to choose to obey God. Had I not chosen God, I would likely be in an inappropriate relationship by now because it's what "felt right". According to the world: why should I not do what feels natural?
As we know, we can't trust how we feel to accurately determine reality. Just as depression (which I have also suffered from for years), speaks lies to me about who I am and gave me an incorrect emotional lense on life, so did homosexuality lie to me.
In the end, it's always the lie of the enemy and "doing what seems right in" our "own eyes" that causes a problem. (To put it lightly). For me, God gave me over to the lustful desires of my heart as spoken of in Romans, after I had fallen into paganism. I had exchanged the Truth of God for a lie (paganism).
I don't suggest that that's everyone's story; that's just my own.
Thanks be to God that He came to my aid and has renewed my heart and mind. I thank God that He had mercy on me and gave me strength! Today, God has removed all desire for that sin from my heart and mind. It has not yet been replaced with heterosexual desires and I don't know if it ever will, but that's okay with me. God's will, not mine. He absolutely knows best!
The only healing we can find lies in the grace of Christ and trusting in Him.
Personally, I had to choose to obey God. Had I not chosen God, I would likely be in an inappropriate relationship by now because it's what "felt right". According to the world: why should I not do what feels natural?
As we know, we can't trust how we feel to accurately determine reality. Just as depression (which I have also suffered from for years), speaks lies to me about who I am and gave me an incorrect emotional lense on life, so did homosexuality lie to me.
In the end, it's always the lie of the enemy and "doing what seems right in" our "own eyes" that causes a problem. (To put it lightly). For me, God gave me over to the lustful desires of my heart as spoken of in Romans, after I had fallen into paganism. I had exchanged the Truth of God for a lie (paganism).
I don't suggest that that's everyone's story; that's just my own.
Thanks be to God that He came to my aid and has renewed my heart and mind. I thank God that He had mercy on me and gave me strength! Today, God has removed all desire for that sin from my heart and mind. It has not yet been replaced with heterosexual desires and I don't know if it ever will, but that's okay with me. God's will, not mine. He absolutely knows best!
this is an interesting thread I see a great amount of assumption in ref to: gay and christian . I do not see how that is biblical. it is like saying I am of light and darkness. Jesus said this is not to be. You cannot serve to masters you will hate the one or love the another. The science is out on one being born that way. The APA a group of many homosexuals and no check an balance to their finding as when they said homosexuality was a lifestyle. of course they did many are homosexual and atheist. I have yet to see any person practicing this sexual preference with peace. What I do see is the over reaching to force those who do not agree with this sexual preference to silent and conform to the idea of this sin.
Seeing as I've never had feelings towards the same sex I can't say how it is for them. I do have gay friends that love God. I know what the Bible says but if someone starts to have these feelings at a very young age, often times it's grade school age then I do think it's something in them. I know God loves all of us. What about people who are born with both parts? It's not something they chose. As I said, I've always known I like men so I think it's unfair for me to make assumptions.
God knows their heart and what someone has been through so I leave it between the person and the Lord.
God knows their heart and what someone has been through so I leave it between the person and the Lord.
I am going to have to respectfully disagree with the "lane split on a motorcycle! It is safer", thing. There is nothing at all "safer" about a motorcycle, but then again I did wake up in a hospital 2 1/2 weeks after a woman pulled out in front of me while riding, and with no function at all in my right (dominate of course) arm. I'll take a full size truck now, thank you. 8^)
You arent the only Christian who deals with homosexuality, and you are wrong in one spot, you cannot actively participate in homosexual activity if you are a follower of Christ. Watching pornography is wrong, its one thing to struggle with it but another thing to continue in it with no intention of repenting from it. If you want to come to Christ, you must repent of your sins.
And before you make the same argument everyone else does, yes we struggle with sin and temptation, no we do not actively engage in it, these two things are not the same.
And before you make the same argument everyone else does, yes we struggle with sin and temptation, no we do not actively engage in it, these two things are not the same.
The fact that its called a genetic disorder doesnt make it true. I used to struggle with it, I can even show you my diagnosis on paper, I am legally diagnosed with gender identity disorder.
And like many others, with time I have overcome it. It is entirely possible to let yourself become grief stricken over not letting yourself feel comfortable with the body you were born into. And it is also possible to find ways to become content with yourself. You can claim that those like me and many others just werent "real" like those who still claim it cant be helped, like I once did too. But I can just as easily argue that those who still make that claim havent accepted the truth yet.
And like many others, with time I have overcome it. It is entirely possible to let yourself become grief stricken over not letting yourself feel comfortable with the body you were born into. And it is also possible to find ways to become content with yourself. You can claim that those like me and many others just werent "real" like those who still claim it cant be helped, like I once did too. But I can just as easily argue that those who still make that claim havent accepted the truth yet.
Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Ge 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Not according to the Creator I'm afraid. God only made male and female kinds and determined how they should relate to each other.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Ge 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Not according to the Creator I'm afraid. God only made male and female kinds and determined how they should relate to each other.
For the cause of Christ
Roger