(Deeply Troubled) My love for my biological brother...

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Roughsoul1991

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I love him dearly but I found it he no longer loves God and in his quote

I've tried that path, I wanted to be a chaplain, if there is a God he doesn't care what happens on Earth anymore.

You wanna know the truth, if he's there screw him, if he has a path for me I don''t want to know and I'll make my own way.
He has said some very hurtful thing tonight and by me trying to help him understand why God judges the world, he hated the idea. He believes everyone should have the freedom to do what they want sinful or not. He could not understand why a loving God wants to judge others. And then blew up on me when I supported that. Saying I do not want to be part of a religion that judges others. He was trying to say I judge others off my own beliefs. While I was trying to say I only preach Gods word, its the book that judges the world.

My brother had a dream that ended badly and for a long time was mad at the world. I guess now I see how far his anger is. He blames God and resents him.

He is soo mad at me right now.

I guess when Jesus spoke of even your family will hate you then I guess this is where it applies. He could not understand I stand for God before personal freedoms.
 
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Unfortunately it seems like your brother has adopted the mentality "Do what thou wilt". I understand you're troubled but he has chosen his own path & will have to deal with the consequences of his decisions. God is holy & will not allow sin to go unpunished. I hope your brother turns to the Lord before it's too late.
 
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Sometimes we are only to plant the seed and someone else will need to water and fertilize the seed. You have done what you are supposed to do now let go...it could be some time before you see the harvest results.
 

Adstar

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I love him dearly but I found it he no longer loves God and in his quote



He has said some very hurtful thing tonight and by me trying to help him understand why God judges the world, he hated the idea. He believes everyone should have the freedom to do what they want sinful or not. He could not understand why a loving God wants to judge others. And then blew up on me when I supported that. Saying I do not want to be part of a religion that judges others. He was trying to say I judge others off my own beliefs. While I was trying to say I only preach Gods word, its the book that judges the world.

My brother had a dream that ended badly and for a long time was mad at the world. I guess now I see how far his anger is. He blames God and resents him.

He is soo mad at me right now.

I guess when Jesus spoke of even your family will hate you then I guess this is where it applies. He could not understand I stand for God before personal freedoms.
I have had a similar experience with my sister.. She has shunned me.. She refuses to talk to me and she hates Christians.. When it comes to God each and every person has their own freedom to respond to His will as they deem fit.. In the end it is all about our own individual response to God which is the foundation of our relationship with God..
 
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Amazing-Grace

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I love him dearly but I found it he no longer loves God and in his quote



He has said some very hurtful thing tonight and by me trying to help him understand why God judges the world, he hated the idea. He believes everyone should have the freedom to do what they want sinful or not. He could not understand why a loving God wants to judge others. And then blew up on me when I supported that. Saying I do not want to be part of a religion that judges others. He was trying to say I judge others off my own beliefs. While I was trying to say I only preach Gods word, its the book that judges the world.

My brother had a dream that ended badly and for a long time was mad at the world. I guess now I see how far his anger is. He blames God and resents him.

He is soo mad at me right now.

I guess when Jesus spoke of even your family will hate you then I guess this is where it applies. He could not understand I stand for God before personal freedoms.
This is very sad but I understand how you feel, it may not always be this way. In time he may recognise his need to have God in his life once again but it could be decades before that happens. Just ensure you leave the lines of communication open for if and when that happens. Family is important but you mustn't put family before God however tempting that may be, God must come first.

None of my family know God and I find myself drifting further from them (not physically) but my prayers are that they will one day understand that God is real. You must pray for your brother.
 

blue_ladybug

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Unfortunately, not all "seeds" that are "planted" will open up and bloom. :(
 

Roughsoul1991

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Thank you all for your responses. I guess I was shocked and moved emotionally to speak for God but my emotions kept me from realizing my brother had already chosen in his heart. Which meant everything I was saying already was being turned into a nonsense argument between my religious opinion and his worldly opinion. I failed and probably pushed him too far. My love for him has hurt him. Not only does he blame me but also blames God. I was as honest and as loving as Gods truth could be. But he could not understand. He hangs around atheist but we grew up Christian. So my words was twisted and attacked by 2 of his friends worldly opinions. Which only made things even more difficult to explain Gods word. So I was surprised he thought the way he was thinking for some reason. It's hard to defend God when people hate God or think our religion is not the true religion. He told me I need to open my eyes to others beliefs. But I only find that comment to be worldly. The truth of the matter is every religion is biased toward others. And every religion believes it's the one true religion. So of course, I will defend my religion above all others. I was careful with my words not to spark anger but the Word God seemed to spark it for me.

But I will apologize today not for what I said but because I do want to leave open communication between us open. I should have caught on and realized I was speaking to a mind already made up.


Proverbs 17:14 New International Version (NIV)


14 Starting a quarrel is like breaching a dam;
so drop the matter before a dispute breaks out.

2 Timothy 2:23 New International Version (NIV)


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Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.

 

Grandpa

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My brother views Christianity as mental weakness.

He can take care of himself, he doesn't need some mental construct or philosophy to help. He is strong.

Or so he thinks.

I've been working on him here and there, praying for him. He has come a long way over the years. He's not ready to be a full fledged weirdo like his older brother but I have faith.


It doesn't make sense, especially in my family, for a male to profess weakness. It's looked down upon. So when I show the men in my family their need for Christ they are all pretty doubtful and mistrusting.

It shows me the absolute miracle Salvation truly is.
 
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CharlieGrown

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Angry at God? Yep, we've all been there, sometimes we still go there. Just keep praying for him and be a representative of Christ IMO. Sometimes we get into this type of funk and it's God working out the wounds in our soul. I think God has heard a lot of that type of talk from those who turned out to be mighty in the faith.
 
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I was that brother once. Luckily my sister had unconditional love for me and never used her faith as a weapon to chastise or criticize my beliefs or actions at the time. Keep him in your prayers, stay true to God, some people never wake up but it was my own misery that led me back. I don't think I went so far as to deny His existence but when you don't understand His Word it's easy to look around and think everyone else does their own thing so why shouldn't I. Don't fear for your brother, love him, have faith and give it to God. I have two very awesome sisters who loved me no matter what. You sound like you're an awesome sister to. Stay your course.
 
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Colsby

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You said you were brought up christians ? !!
Read Proverbs 22:6
Start children off on the way they should go, and even when they are old they will not turn from it.

I have the same with my brother.. Prayer is all there is..

None of us will ever convince another person 2 become a christain.. That is the Holy Spirit..
 
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My brother views Christianity as mental weakness. He can take care of himself, he doesn't need some mental construct or philosophy to help. He is strong. Or so he thinks. I've been working on him here and there, praying for him. He has come a long way over the years. He's not ready to be a full fledged weirdo like his older brother but I have faith. It doesn't make sense, especially in my family, for a male to profess weakness. It's looked down upon. So when I show the men in my family their need for Christ they are all pretty doubtful and mistrusting. It shows me the absolute miracle Salvation truly is.
Sounds like those people in your family have pride which is unfortunate. I hope they break out of it before it's too late.
 

miknik5

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Please remind your brother that CHRIST said that in this world we would have trouble but take heart for I have overcome the world

Its very hard to remember that when we are stuck in the midst of a storm

But faith isn't made perfect when all things are well. It is very easy to have faith in seasons of plenty/seasons of sunshine
But mature and steadfast faith is made perfect through trials and storms and it is in these seasons of wanting/seasons of rain that genuine faith, directed in and on JESUS CHRIST is made manifest.

It sounds like your brother has had a lot of rain
 

miknik5

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Tell him to wait and to trust in the LORD in all seasons

Point him to Philippians 4
thus chapter helped me
so did the serenity prayer
 

miknik5

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This chapter helped me when I was going through a season of rain and trials and everything appeared to be going so wrong and there was really nothing else I could do but wait and trust that HE is SOVEREIGN and in control and all things are under HIS SOVEREIGN control
 

miknik5

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I don't know how any one could confuse a CHRISTian as being mentally weak
 

Roughsoul1991

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Thank you I asked forgiveness from my brother and we hugged and moved forward. I learned that I should be the gospel around him and not speak it for the most part. Just as my preacher told me, I may not be the one God intended on reaching my brother. My preacher sent me an email after I felt terrible about the situation. Here in quote is what he told me
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[FONT=&quot]Your belief in and trust of God is very evident even if you don't use words to show it. It is a difficult thing to realize that sometimes we are not the person God has chosen to share our faith with someone; this is often family members. With Gary I encourage you to just live your faith without quoting scripture to him as he does not accept the Bible as being true he will not accept any defense based on it. If you continue you risk building up his resistance and making it more difficult for the person God has chosen to witness to him.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]I recommend living out scripture to love your neighbor as yourself and also to love your enemy by accept Gary for who he is (a hurting and angry young man that probably feels like he has no anchor and nothing but himself to trust in) and where he is. He has heard the gospel and rejected it (for now). What he needs is to experience it in a radical way--trust God to send the right person or circumstances at the right time.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]When you interact with Gary care about him and what he cares about without demeaning or judging him or his friends or his interests. He knows what you believe, he needs to see you live it. Only speak about your faith if he asks a direct question and then keep your answer very, very short. We can go over some of the potential subjects he may ask about and brainstorm some answers. C.S. Lewis is a good read for this situation.[/FONT]
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I feel the same way and always have. I have a great feeling my brother will be a great follower of Christ one day. He can speak with words in such a strong and convincing way. But only God and my brother can make this happen. So I will remain a loving, supporting brother. And pray for him to find peace.
 
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Thank you I asked forgiveness from my brother and we hugged and moved forward. I learned that I should be the gospel around him and not speak it for the most part. Just as my preacher told me, I may not be the one God intended on reaching my brother. My preacher sent me an email after I felt terrible about the situation. Here in quote is what he told me

I feel the same way and always have. I have a great feeling my brother will be a great follower of Christ one day. He can speak with words in such a strong and convincing way. But only God and my brother can make this happen. So I will remain a loving, supporting brother. And pray for him to find peace.
Earlier I mistakenly thought you were his sister. My apologies for that. I'm used to such caring as you show coming from women in my life. I'm overjoyed to see otherwise. I have some awesome sisters and your brother will soon realize he has an awesome brother. Good Bless and take care.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Earlier I mistakenly thought you were his sister. My apologies for that. I'm used to such caring as you show coming from women in my life. I'm overjoyed to see otherwise. I have some awesome sisters and your brother will soon realize he has an awesome brother. Good Bless and take care.
No problem thank you! Lol
 

Angela53510

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Don't give up on your brother, as I know God will not. Just keep loving him and being a witness with your life. My father was not saved, but gradually he began to see the changes in my life. It did not save him, but he told me I should keep being a Christian, as it was doing me good.

Of course, I told him it was not me, but Christ in me, but it took a lot longer for him to realize his need for Christ. He was saved when he was 82 and died 5 months later. I praise the Lord that I will meet him again one day in glory!

Praying your brother feels the conviction of the Holy Spirit and turns back to the God he knows!