Do you think that domestic discipline is useful in a Godly marriage?

[alanwrench]

I'm curious as to what both married and single members of this board believe.

Do you think that a husband should physically correct and discipline his wife if needed? Is this justified by scripture?

Just my personal opinion, but I think the idea of physical correction is rediculous. I know there was probably a time when men might have done that, but that time has passed. You are not the same men, we are not the same women, and this is not the same time. We all have the ability to communicate in ways that physically reprimanding one another is really not necessary. It insinuates a parental role that would seem to undermine a partnership of marriage

[MahogonySnail]

There's this movie, maybe it's a John Wayne one, I forget, a cowboy one anyway, where he puts this attractive beauty over his knee and starts spanking her. They later kiss and make up or something. Yeah it is a bit 17th-18th centuary-ish. It's totally unnecessary, and I think poorly of any man who does it. I believe physical discipline is only allowed for children.

[cookie39]

There is absolutly no where in the entire bible that said that this is ok.... no never!!!! but for the husband to give himself for his wife, and for him to love her as his own body... so if he want someone to beat his body to correct him.. then I guess he would be an abuser... as we all know that a man who hit a woman is a coward... and it is done only out of pride and self esteam.. for he can't control her with wisdom so he can't feel as if he is great enough for her so he try to belittle her by abuse, hoping he can get control and feel like "the Man" yet it makes him even less than a man, knowing pride wont let him see how ignorant and small he really is. and hopefuly she will have him locked up before she try to kill him, read the bible you will see there is absolutly no where God gave or give man permission to hit a woman, he never said that man was to be boss of woman, just that the women are to depend on their own husbands and men are to depend on his own wife, that is what subject to me in the bible.... woman was to depend on God at first, but since sin entered in, she would not be able to hear or talk to God for help, God said she is now have to depend on her husband... but her curse was she would be in great pain in child bearing,,, with the meds they have today..praise God.. that curse is even broken..lol Amen. Hope that helps if not I will give more scriptures to show this should not be so.

Originally Posted by alanwrench

I'm curious as to what both married and single members of this board believe.

Do you think that a husband should physically correct and discipline his wife if needed? Is this justified by scripture?

1 Peter 3:7 Husbands,in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives,and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life,so that nothing will hinder your prayers.

There is a website that encourages this sort of new movement for christian husbands to discipline their wives. Frankly I see it as something with an undercurrent of something kinky and just plain wrong. There is absolutely no need for it.

Its not as though the entire world is struggling enough with domestic violence issues, but christians debasing a woman to that level too? its disgusting and so abhorrent. Why are women so put down in this society and treated live some evil benevolent force? Women are so beautiful and soft hearted. Sure women sin, just like men sin. I feel like some women have such soft hearts that give to their families and children and husbands, and leave very little for themselves.

The only underlying current I can read into this question is a male wanting to place his wife at the same level as a child under his feet. Not treating her with respect and love and beauty. Im so angry now...

Originally Posted by alanwrench

I'm curious as to what both married and single members of this board believe.

Do you think that a husband should physically correct and discipline his wife if needed? Is this justified by scripture?

No.

And no.

[Matthew]

Originally Posted by ShelleBelle76

It insinuates a parental role that would seem to undermine a partnership of marriage

That's true, and I think that is where problems would begin that could over time undermine the marriage, the fact is whenever you discipline someone it implies authority and wives shouldn't be surbordinate to their husbands, they are equals who perform a different role.

[1still_waters]

Hmmm...how to say what I intend to say without setting off a volcano of people hearing things I don't intend to say?

I'll tread lightly here.

ok...

I've known certain females with certain emotional traits. These specific kind of women even admit that they tend to get out of control emotionally. Sometimes they even label themselves as 'hard to handle' or 'kind of a handful' or a 'firecracker''.

I've known these specific women with these emotional traits actually thank a man when they gently grab them by the elbow, pull them aside and tell them to just calm down, because they are out of control.

These specific kind of women actually show thanks toward the more in your face guy who will just be blunt and honest and tell her when she's over the line.

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo............ .

With that kind of female, I can see a certain amount of 'discipline' being beneficial. But that 'discipline' should never go beyond just gently pulling that specific kind of personality aside and letting her know she needs to get a grip on her emotions because she is clearly out of control.

I'd say in a general sense, domestic discipline is kinda silly. But with this specific kind of personality, where the women admits she's a handful, and even wants a guy to be gently forceful with her, when she is out of control, I'd say the general idea of the guy guiding this kind of personality is ok to do.

[QuestionTime]

Originally Posted by alanwrench

I'm curious as to what both married and single members of this board believe.

Do you think that a husband should physically correct and discipline his wife if needed? Is this justified by scripture?

I find the concept of physically disciplining a wife to be disturbing.

Quest

[Matthew]

Originally Posted by 1still_waters

I've known certain females with certain emotional traits. These specific kind of women even admit that they tend to get out of control emotionally. Sometimes they even label themselves as 'hard to handle' or 'kind of a handful' or a 'firecracker''.

I've known these specific women with these emotional traits actually thank a man when they gently grab them by the elbow, pull them aside and tell them to just calm down, because they are out of control.

These specific kind of women actually show thanks toward the more in your face guy who will just be blunt and honest and tell her when she's over the line.

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo............ .

With that kind of female, I can see a certain amount of 'discipline' being beneficial. But that 'discipline' should never go beyond just gently pulling that specific kind of personality aside and letting her know she needs to get a grip on her emotions because she is clearly out of control.

I'd say in a general sense, domestic discipline is kinda silly. But with this specific kind of personality, where the women admits she's a handful, and even wants a guy to be gently forceful with her, when she is out of control, I'd say the general idea of the guy guiding this kind of personality is ok to do.

I understand what you mean with this, some women know their emotions run high or that they have a tendency to be dominant or get angry and so want a partner who is prepared to set the boundaries and be strong and direct in dealing with her in those situations, to essentially save her from herself.

I don't really think that could be classified as discipline though because that is simply a husband doing his job by keeping his wife from crossing the line as it were, and that is something a wife also needs to do for her husband at times if he loses composure.

[QuestionTime]

Originally Posted by 1still_waters

With that kind of female, I can see a certain amount of 'discipline' being beneficial. But that 'discipline' should never go beyond just gently pulling that specific kind of personality aside and letting her know she needs to get a grip on her emotions because she is clearly out of control.

Yep, you are going to set off some firecrackers with these statements.

I think that if a woman is out of control it would be a normal loving reaction for the husband to get hold of her attention maybe by gripping her shoulders or grabbing her hand and gently turning her to face him. But this would be a reaction based on love without premeditation.

I think it gets scary when a guy premeditates about physical discipline towards a woman, as his thoughts will eventual turn to reality in a moment of extreme stress.

This goes with any premeditated act. We as humans can imagine a whole lot of nasty things, and if we keep those things in our mind day after day, they will eventually come out when we are upset.

Quest

[QuestionTime]

Originally Posted by Matthew

and that is something a wife also needs to do for her husband at times if he loses composure.

I agree, and you often see this at night around clubs or whatever, where the guys are getting into a heated conversation and the ladies are trying to pull the men away from each-other. This is good and acceptable, and the same if a man steps in to keep his woman from doing something she might regret.

Quest

[1still_waters]

[quote=QuestionTime;296387][font=Comic Sans MS][color=Sienna] Yep, you are going to set off some firecrackers with these statements.

Well of course, if you rip it from its context. :P

Originally Posted by alanwrench

I'm curious as to what both married and single members of this board believe.

Do you think that a husband should physically correct and discipline his wife if needed? Is this justified by scripture?

as a woman that came from a home where a husband was into that physical correction as you like to call it.......to me it was domestic violence and abuse....it is absolutely wrong........i lived in that hell hole for years before i was able to escape.....i pray you dont believe in it...blessings

Originally Posted by 1still_waters

With that kind of female, I can see a certain amount of 'discipline' being beneficial. But that 'discipline' should never go beyond just gently pulling that specific kind of personality aside and letting her know she needs to get a grip on her emotions because she is clearly out of control.

I totally agree with your point here, and as one of those "firecrackers", I think I would actually admire a man who had enough sense and backbone to redirect his wife if she were out of control. There is nothing wrng with a veral chastising if necessary and done in love, physical is another ballgame entirely.

[NodMyHeadLikeYeah]

Originally Posted by 1still_waters

Hmmm...how to say what I intend to say without setting off a volcano of people hearing things I don't intend to say?

I'll tread lightly here.

ok...

I've known certain females with certain emotional traits. These specific kind of women even admit that they tend to get out of control emotionally. Sometimes they even label themselves as 'hard to handle' or 'kind of a handful' or a 'firecracker''.

I've known these specific women with these emotional traits actually thank a man when they gently grab them by the elbow, pull them aside and tell them to just calm down, because they are out of control.

These specific kind of women actually show thanks toward the more in your face guy who will just be blunt and honest and tell her when she's over the line.

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo............ .

With that kind of female, I can see a certain amount of 'discipline' being beneficial. But that 'discipline' should never go beyond just gently pulling that specific kind of personality aside and letting her know she needs to get a grip on her emotions because she is clearly out of control.

I'd say in a general sense, domestic discipline is kinda silly. But with this specific kind of personality, where the women admits she's a handful, and even wants a guy to be gently forceful with her, when she is out of control, I'd say the general idea of the guy guiding this kind of personality is ok to do.

I totally agree with all of this.

absoloutley not!!!

I think men need it more than women do.....women get out of control at times because men are out of control because they had issues with fatherless homes and single moms........ LOL Ok seriously though what the hang is this world comming to I can see it now standing before God and God asking the man a question.... How many times did you discapline your wife? LOL That is so rediculous... I think there is some kind of punishment God hands out to men that think that kind of action was considered ok by men who claim they know Jesus. As for gentle firm reminders that is not discipline that is communication. MAN! Domentstic discipline sounds more like being sedistic there is a healthy thing called counseling, prayer, setting a higher example, down time, medication, sleep, rest, a kind soft word or just leave the crazy person who wants to act that way and love them at a distance but that is not apealing to some people's flesh and ego and the need to want to control something or someone. I have a hard time finding out who is more ill the person who wants the discipline or the person who hands the discipline out?

[whiteknite]

Originally Posted by MahogonySnail

There's this movie, maybe it's a John Wayne one, I forget, a cowboy one anyway, where he puts this attractive beauty over his knee and starts spanking her. They later kiss and make up or something. Yeah it is a bit 17th-18th centuary-ish. It's totally unnecessary, and I think poorly of any man who does it. I believe physical discipline is only allowed for children.

That movie was McLIntock with John Wayne and Maureen O'Hara.

It was only a movie and meant for entertainment. In real life: It simply is flat out wrong!