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    Quote Originally Posted by biblelearner123 View Post
    But what about transgender? Is it from genes or choice?
    Transgender is the same. We can be lead to grief over our bodies, and we can be lead to despair over it. So those issues are real. But they arent genetic.
    As Christians, we know where these thoughts and desires come from. We should treat such people with love, but never show support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeraza_Bats View Post
    As followers of Christ we should already know that we are tempted by beings we cant see that want to destroy us in their own wrath for what is coming to them. The Lord tells us they are violent and wicked, and have come to steal, kill and destroy.
    I believe any Christian who does not take those teachings seriously places more faith into the understanding of men than the Lord.
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    I agree, the Christians that actually realize we are in a real war, rarely understand that the enemy don't fight "fair". It's all or nothing with demons, we wrongly think there is some area of compromise or treaty...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieGrown View Post
    I agree, the Christians that actually realize we are in a real war, rarely understand that the enemy don't fight "fair". It's all or nothing with demons, we wrongly think there is some area of compromise or treaty...

    Yeah, we should look at them as violent murderers with absolutely nothing to lose. They dont care about us in anyway, and fully intend on making sure we die too. And they know that if they continually push us to do something, we can easily be lead to believe it must be a part of our flesh that we cant help, and that the Word of God is in the wrong because we were "made" this way. These beings arent fools, they are wiser than we are, and know how to deceive us into rebellion.
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    Both. Some people are born gay whether through genetics or demonic influence from the womb but practicing homosexuality is a choice. The Bible says that the children of the righteous are protected so those who are born out of immorality of evil parents can be attacked by demons due to lack of protection from God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerbell725 View Post
    Both. Some people are born born gay whether through genetics or demonic influence from the womb but practicing homosexuality is a choice.

    Claiming that its genetic puts the blame entirely on God. You really cant have it both ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeraza_Bats View Post
    Claiming that its genetic puts the blame entirely on God. You really cant have it both ways.
    The thing is that everything is written in the DNA. interests, strenghts, addictions etc its all in the DNA. so if the father for example is actively bisexual or gay it gets transferred to the DNA of the child and opens a demonic door for demons to enter. so its also part DNA
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    Again, I couldn't vote, because my option wasn't there.....
    I think the feelings may be natural, and possibly born into a person (just like sometimes I feel like killing my beloved husband for leaving his dirty tshirt on the bed....again).....however, feelings change with the wind; yesterday I felt like I wanted to be a butterfly and fly away, today I feel like being a bulldozer and getting things accomplished; so they aren't the sinful part of this....it's the choice to act upon these feelings that is the sin.....in my opinion. Not being, nor ever being a homosexual person, I don't feel my thoughts on this really matter, and honestly, I just don't care enough about someone else's sex life to comment on it further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrynceNY View Post
    I am aware of that quote it's still a choice regardless.
    that's not the point.
    the point is that we are born corrupt, haters of God, in darkness and with a nature that is darkness, unable to comprehend or see God -- unable to "choose" light both because we love darkness and because we are darkness.

    without that the Holy Spirit restrains us all, we would all be homosexuals, murderers, thieves and worse. so it is that the scripture says God "gave them over" to their lusts, not that He put any kind of 'new' lust in them. every one of us has within them the capability and nature to be a thousand times worse than Hitler or Stalin or Pol Pot or Crowley or whoever, but for the grace of God constraining evil.

    so whether sexual perversion is a physical characteristic or not is moot -- it is a spiritual characteristic of me, and you, and everyone -- unless we are transformed by the power of God.

    so we must be born again.

    the point is that whether born a liar, a thief, a deviant, a sorcerer.. whatever.. we are born sinners, separated from God, without anything that can merit His favor, worthy only of destruction. corrupt and filthy, profane and vain, blind and lame.

    we must be born again.

    i'm essentially ignoring the OP question when i quote the Christ here.
    because it's inconsequential; i'm saying that without that God transforms a person, opens their eyes so that they can actually see Jesus, they are incapable of making any choice other than to sin. how unconstrained that sin is doesn't really make a difference in this analysis.

    you must be born again.

    without the rebirth, no one can even see the kingdom of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demi777 View Post
    The thing is that everything is written in the DNA. interests, strenghts, addictions etc its all in the DNA. so if the father for example is actively bisexual or gay it gets transferred to the DNA of the child and opens a demonic door for demons to enter. so its also part DNA
    if this were true, then we should be able to genetically engineer a new Christ.
    if sin was part of DNA we could theoretically select it out and create sinless people.
    we could medicate sin away. we could achieve righteousness with some kind of surgery or chemotherapy.


    i think, rather, it is spiritual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by posthuman View Post
    if this were true, then we should be able to genetically engineer a new Christ.
    if sin was part of DNA we could theoretically select it out and create sinless people.
    we could medicate sin away. we could achieve righteousness with some kind of surgery or chemotherapy.


    i think, rather, it is spiritual.
    That's a interesting topic to debate I was going to disagree but then I remember the Nephilims being the offsprings of Fallen Angels mating with woman (Genesis 6:4). So those giants probably were like already cursed to damnation from the get-go and are the demons that we know of today. It would also support like babies who are born with disablities or illness being from ancestry hereditary. I don't think God created him that way at all but they were definitely INFLUENCED SPIRITUALLY by they ancestors or parents. I am not all the way sure but good topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by posthuman View Post
    if this were true, then we should be able to genetically engineer a new Christ.
    if sin was part of DNA we could theoretically select it out and create sinless people.
    we could medicate sin away. we could achieve righteousness with some kind of surgery or chemotherapy.


    i think, rather, it is spiritual.
    Our spirit holds spiritual dna, which can contract generational curses, sin and just bad faulty programming. We are not just composed of soul and body. God breathed a part of Himself into each of us, this is the light that is our spirit. If our spirit does not take it's rightful seat of power within our temple, things are not configured as Father designed.

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    The sinful nature has corrupted our DNA that's why we need the power of the Holy Spirit to cure it. Gays that are born again have renewed their minds, they are still tempted but they can overcome it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roughsoul1991 View Post
    I have found nothing but theories when people try to prove gays are born that way. Leaving me to believe its a temptation and a choice like any other sin that tempts us. https://www.trueorigin.org/gaygene01.php


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    BBC - Earth - Humans are nowhere near as special as we like to think
    Being a homosexual is a choice:

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieGrown View Post
    Our spirit holds spiritual dna, which can contract generational curses, sin and just bad faulty programming. We are not just composed of soul and body. God breathed a part of Himself into each of us, this is the light that is our spirit. If our spirit does not take it's rightful seat of power within our temple, things are not configured as Father designed.
    dont forget that dna is constantly saving informations over and over again. Its a info platform and theres no way that someone could become sinless.. God created it that way
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demi777 View Post
    dont forget that dna is constantly saving informations over and over again. Its a info platform and theres no way that someone could become sinless.. God created it that way
    Exactly right, Romans 6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieGrown View Post
    Exactly right, Romans 6.
    What I find cool is the Laminin protein/molecule. without it you cant live and people who lack it get very sick. look how its built up.



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    Laminin is an essential molecule that is found inside your DNA. Think of it as a glue that holds and keeps your body together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by posthuman View Post
    i think, rather, it is spiritual.

    It's not genetically determined, it's a choice that anyone can be redeemed of through Our Father.

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    Lol I was called delusional and simple minded because I relayed the word of God in to a secular argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roughsoul1991 View Post
    Because we know from what God tells us. This is how I know.
    Obvious question then: Then why ask?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Depleted View Post
    Obvious question then: Then why ask?
    60 and cranky haha well some people don't fully comprehend what God's word says and are still learning so they seek to their brethrens for help.
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